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Lance Armstrong to be stripped of Tour de France titles?

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GhostofPotvin29

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No article yet, but this is on the New York Times site:

Breaking News: Lance Armstrong Ends Fight Against Doping Charges; Will Be Stripped of Tour de France Titles
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EDIT: Article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-ends-fight-against-doping-charges-losing-his-7-tour-de-france-titles.html?_r=1&hp
 
It's an interesting situation.  I think that given the rampant doping in cycling that a guy being miles better than everyone else while being clean is highly unlikely but he's not conceding that he doped.  He's just giving up on defending himself.  There isn't any admission and I could understand why a guy might be sick and tired of it (even if I personally side with him being a user).
 
I too strongly suspect Armstrong doped. So I can't muster much sympathy.

I have followed some of the doping cases, looking in depth at the evidence and listening to the testimony, etc. Sadly, I also have to agree with Armstrong: WADA & USADA are rotten organizations who do not follow their own rules. They're almost as bad as the cheats and it's turned me off the whole thing.

If there's any justice in cycling, it's that the cheating cyclists and those who police their sport for performance enhancing drugs deserve each other.

Organizations who test athletes for drugs should be beyond reproach in terms of integrity, fairness, competence, adherence to their own rules and professionalism. WADA and USADA failed pretty miserably on those counts when I looked carefully at some of these cases.

The result isn't a much cleaner sport and a restoration of the sport's integrity. It closer to just a bigger black cloud left over the sports. I originally hoped it was  merely a case of them being new and still learning. Sadly, it became obvious that it wasn't. It's more than that. Hopefully some day, someone in control catches on and cleans it up.
 
seems kind of crazy to me that there isn't a statute of limitations on this kind of thing ..guilty or innocent ..i don't think they should keep being able to come back at him time and time again ..i'm not saying he is..but an innocent man could be found guilty with the number of times these different organizations have tried to prove he's a cheat
 
Whether Lance is a cheat or not, I don't understand how the USADA can strip his titles over allegations of doping and how they have the power over the Tour de France to strip him of his titles.

Seems like a witch hunt.

Barry Bonds wasn't stripped of his home run records over doping allegations although they are tainted.

Move on. They didn't catch him at the time of the race and that's the bottom line for me. Work on improving your methods for catching dopers going forward rather than concentrating on the past.

It doesn't change anything. Who's to say that whomever came 2nd and 3rd in any of those races didn't also beat the system and were also doping. It was a dirty sport. Work on cleaning it up instead of fighting so hard over possible past dopers.
 
Heard on the FAN this afternoon that the Tour de France (organizers? committee? can't remember) would wait and see - didn't sound like they were going to immediately agree with stripping him of his titles, and they would probably be the ones to do it.
 
Lance Armstrong is very definitely not the first nor the last cheater in a sport rife with doping as cycling is (similar to any other sport, no exception).

Whether Armstrong cheated or not is beside the point now, so long after he actually won these Tours (and I have no qualms that Armstrong is as guilty as the others may be).

I remember one cyclist who made a comment once to the likes of not being able to win the Tour de France, as grueling as it is, on "bread and cheese alone".  That statement tells one alot about 'what it may (sometimes) take'.  The difference between a winner and a loser for that 'extra edge'.
 
I'd quite like to see the Performance Enhancing Drugs legal Olympics, can you imagine Usain Bolt running the 100 metres in 3.2 seconds?

The Ukranian High Jumper that can clear the pole at 22 metres... lolz
 
The real reason why Armstrong gave up going against USADA's claims...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-s-closest-confidant-may-have-forced-him-to-wave-the-white-flag.html
 
More bad news for Lance. Steps down as chairman of Livestrong and Nike gives him the boot.

 
I wish Oprah had did a little video on all the people he sued because
they said he did the PED's. It was a huge number not to mention ruining
the careers of those he sued.
 
I don't care too much that Armstrong doped. I mean, everyone was doing it. When Armstrong said he was it as a "level playing field" he wasn't exactly lying. What's much worse is the lying, fabrication, vehement denial that went on all these years. He should have admitted right away when details first started to emerge, it ALWAYS works out better that way. Andy Pettitte came out and admitted it right away and he's one of the most popular players in New York. Conversely, Clemens is hated by everyone.
 
Potvin29 said:
I'd say what's worse is the way he tried to ruin other people's lives who called him out on it, called them terrible names and sued them.
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Yeah, if there's one thing I'm getting from the media reaction to Armstrong, which is sort of similar to Bonds and Clemens, is that people are much more willing to bury a PED user if, in addition, he also happens to be a complete jerk.
 
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