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Doesn't sound like something I've said.  Can you find the post since your putting words into my mouth? Some people kept arguing that Frattin was going to get better when he was 25-26.  At mid twenties, how much improvement do you think there is going to be?  Players don't go from bad to all star...

I'd rather keep those 2 then Gardner.  I don't care what advance stats people have that say he is good.  He constantly makes big mistakes that lead to goals.  For all the hate that McCabe and Phaneuf get for make mistake; gardner makes 10 for every one those guys made.  I have been patient with...

this thread has deteriorated quickly.

Yeah  I'd rather keep Phaneuf if I could only keep one player on the team.  Defencemen that can play in all situations are rare.

I think the leafs haven't responded to the coach as much as shannan's promise to move players if the team doesn't turn around.  They are spending at the cap, so if these players can't even make the playoffs the team should be blown up.  Its interesting that playing a different playstyle with a...

they are still losing... fire the coach?  Maybe it will work this time ;-)

This coach has one win and two loses.  Better not plan the parade or give him the jack adams award till he has a winning record at least.

Yeah he has been a healthy scratch.

did they give the coach the camo thing again?

you mean kessel?

This move should be good for his development.

Isn't Roy still assistant GM or head of player development?

Just like the decision not to salute the fans.  You got to admit these guys have the character of a winner.

They never played a full 60 under wilson either.  That is why he had no problems throwing ex players under the bus.

Don't dismiss the financial impact.  Many people live paycheck to paycheck.  Even if you don't why be forced to waste money on a channel that has no decent shows.  The only thing that really brought in ratings was the hockey and as you said they don't own the rights anymore.  CBC should be...

bozak back with kessel; queue the fire coach threads.

The streams on cbc no longer work.  They say not available in my region.  What a joke we pay so much in taxes for cbc and they can't even stream the games in ontario.

Yeah wilson is am immature 50-60 year old.  Although at that age you start calling them a cantankerous old man.  Come on, Howard Berger is a nice guy that tries to never offend anyone, and wilson started an argument with him.

I couldn't stand wilson when he was here.  Carlyle was way better as a coach.  For all the mistakes you think Carlyle made; atleast he didn't play Ian White at forward and Kadri on the wing.

Kadri might develop into one and certainly wants to be paid like one.