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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Could it be the owners do not want to settle so they can drop 6 teams from the league! If that happens then 150 NHL jobs are gone. Players had better fire Fehr and settle. League fire Bettman and settle.
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Bettman and Fehr need to set personalities aside and act like mature men and settle. To me Bettman is a big source of the prpblem he is aacting like a high school principal not a negotiator.
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    I read from unreliable sources that things may be developing to bring lockout to an end. Anything to that?
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    I really think Fehr is current problem. Fire Him and get rid of Bettman's style of dication negotiation is wrong. Get rid of him as well.
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Medition only works if you give and take. Bettman only dictates. When start next season where do leafs pick from teams contracted?
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    My feeling is unless an agreement is reached this week. The season is history and we can sing the Na-nanana hey, hey good bye to Colmbus, Nashville, Florida, Tampa Bay and others. Maybe even the NHL. Guys settle for the Good of the Game. Winning isn't the main thing at stake here. It's the game.
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    With both sides trying to win and showing a reluctance to negotiate in good faith. To get a win- win situation maybe the winner needs to think in terms of For the Good of The Game, For The Good of The NHL, this is the best offer we will get. Other wise ego's of Bettman and Fehr will destroy the...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    I get the distinct impression that neither side really are or know what negotiating means, especially Bettman. He dictates! To negotiate means you take the proposal and line by line work out a deal. Here one side proposes  x on one point. I cannot accept X but how about Z. Conter how about y...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Cancel the season and you might as well drop Nashville, Columbus, Florida, Tampa Bay. and maybe the Coyotes because thay  are done. They are albatrosses now they will be boat anchors if don't settle now. When they drop them who gets first pick in dispersal draft? Where do leafs pick?
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    I am hearing from fans in Canada and US who are saying owners and players are ruining the league and there is a strong possiblity they will not be back. As the lockout continues than number will increase. If the issue is contractual. One was on length of contract. Players say take the 5 year...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    A big part of the problem is that the players feel disrespected. They were seen as the losers of the last labor dispute. Owners did not negotiate with future negotiations in mind. To put it in perspective they have treated the players like a team who are leading the game 7 to 1 with less than...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Ryan Miller is right the current problem with the labor impass is EGO. Players took the heat and last last time and do not want to lose again. Owners think players will cave again. When owners dismissed players plan in ten minutes they were disrespected. If owners had taken time to study it even...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    I hope Bettman and Fehr realize that evry game missed jeopodizes the southern US franchizes. Go into december and they will harm them beyond repair as far as viablity. They might as well fold 3 or 4 of them. That may be inevitable anyways.     Maybe they need to learn the principles of...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Mr Bettman Mr Fehr Negoaitation means each  or one makes a proposal and the other negotiates and compromises. One gives here the other there. Mr. Bettman thinks negotiation means I tell you and you take it. Find middle ground.  Maybe we need to give both a big vat of water to drink and then lock...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Stop the spin and get down and negotiate. Both present new offers in which they make serious concessions from their previous proposal. Not just playing the shell game as the Owners have.
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Open Letter to NHL owners and NHLPA.     As a hocley fan and fan of the NHL I am very upset what you are doing to the fastest sport on Ice. On one side we have owners who complain that they about half the teams are losing money or on the verge of doing so. But at the same time sign players to...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Open letter to NHL and NHLPA.
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    Fse who have season tickets paid they should demand a refund and not playoff tickets. In fact they should ask their season tickets be refunded and when settle will buy then, maybe. And secondly they should appear at the gate. Then the city would have to deploy crowd control as for a regular...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    I get a little tired of Bettmans we are waiting for NHLPA offer. His idea of an offer is accept what we propose. He is idea of negotiation is We tell you what we offer. You accept it. You have owners who offer rediculous contracts and then whine teams are losing money. Who offered the contracts...
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    2012 CBA Negotiations Thread

    If the problem is that ten teams loing money some big time. Move them or fold them. O r at least some. Seattle, Portland. Moncton, Quebec City and Hamilton are possibilties.
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