Point signs 3-year bridge deal

[Zee]

Point signed 3 years $6.75M AAV

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Of course.

 

[mr grieves]

That long back and forth between Jonas and Mirtle, echoed sometimes here, is getting its answer: looks less and less likely that Marner/Leafs did, in fact, reset the high-end RFA market. Implications of that... not great!

 

[Kin]

None of the big deals Tampa has signed in recent years fit into the league's salary structure. It's not really a shocker that this one doesn't either.

 

[herman]

That?s how you re-reset the market

 

[lamajama]

Less income tax and bridge deal or no this makes the Marner deal look like the Leafs got bent over bad.

And far less likely those "offer sheets" rumours likely were for much less than what Marner signed for.

 

[Zee]

That long back and forth between Jonas and Mirtle, echoed sometimes here, is getting its answer: looks less and less likely that Marner/Leafs did, in fact, reset the high-end RFA market. Implications of that... not great!

Yep.  It's fine if the market was truly "re-set" but if you're the only team playing by the new rules, it ain't good.

 

[Kin]

Less income tax and bridge deal or no this makes the Marner deal look like the Leafs got bent over bad.

How does this make the Eichel or Aho deals look?

This deal is the outlier right now. Not Marner. I mean, Point outscored Boeser by like 40 points and got a million more than he did.

 

[Strangelove]

This deal confirms that the Marner deal was atrocious.

Not that any confirmation was needed, but yikes.

 

[Bates]

Less income tax and bridge deal or no this makes the Marner deal look like the Leafs got bent over bad.

And far less likely those "offer sheets" rumours likely were for much less than what Marner signed for.

Not to mention Marner's endorsement will make up for the tax difference, but that doesn't seem to count??

 

[Kin]

Does the Hedman deal make the Karlsson and Doughty deals bad? Does the Stamkos deal make the Tavares deal bad? How about Panarin and Kucherov?

The idea that the Leafs are alone in not paying Tampa prices is demonstrably false.

 

[Zee]

Less income tax and bridge deal or no this makes the Marner deal look like the Leafs got bent over bad.

And far less likely those "offer sheets" rumours likely were for much less than what Marner signed for.

Not to mention Marner's endorsement will make up for the tax difference, but that doesn't seem to count??

It was always an ego thing for Marner's camp.  He wanted to be recognized in the same territory as Matthews and Tavares so hence the big ticket contract.  It is what it is, our team is solid for this season despite the overpay, nothing we can do now.

 

[Strangelove]

Does the Hedman deal make the Karlsson and Doughty deals bad? Does the Stamkos deal make the Tavares deal bad? How about Panarin and Kucherov?

The idea that the Leafs are alone in not paying Tampa prices is demonstrably false.

Are any of those players Restricted Free Agents?

There is no spin that makes 6 x $11 million look even passable when a superior player got 3 x $6.75 after the Marner contract was signed.

Dubas had plenty of political/fan capital to allow Marner to sit until he decided to bring his demands into the realm of reasonability. Instead he ended up with a deal that puts the team at a competitive disadvantage in terms of cap flexibility.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1176187937882615809

Remember when there was talk about the 3rd year of a potential Marner deal being $13mil?

 

[Kin]

Are any of those players Restricted Free Agents?

Why does that matter? If the rest of the league is paying significantly higher for their UFA's then Tampa is, why is it surprising that the same is true with RFA's?

There is no spin that makes 6 x $11 million look even passable when a superior player got 3 x $6.75 after the Marner contract was signed.

Sorry, I forgot these were the only two contracts in the NHL. Carry on.

Dubas had plenty of political/fan capital to allow Marner to sit until he decided to bring his demands into the realm of reasonability. Instead he ended up with a deal that puts the team at a competitive disadvantage in terms of cap flexibility.

Or he paid roughly the going rate around the league for every team but one.

 

[Strangelove]

Are any of those players Restricted Free Agents?

Why does that matter? If the rest of the league is paying significantly higher for their UFA's then Tampa is, why is it surprising that the same is true with RFA's?

There is no spin that makes 6 x $11 million look even passable when a superior player got 3 x $6.75 after the Marner contract was signed.

Sorry, I forgot these were the only two contracts in the NHL. Carry on.

Dubas had plenty of political/fan capital to allow Marner to sit until he decided to bring his demands into the realm of reasonability. Instead he ended up with a deal that puts the team at a competitive disadvantage in terms of cap flexibility.

Or he paid roughly the going rate around the league for every team but one.

The argument is that the Leafs are now paying significantly more for their RFAs than the rest of the league, not just Tampa.

The Leafs are in the middle of a "market reset" that seems to affect only themselves.

 

[Kin]

The argument is that the Leafs are now paying significantly more for their RFAs than the rest of the league, not just Tampa.

And that argument has been debunked, again and again. It's only being made by people who are only looking at the extreme outliers and saying "Why couldn't the Leafs get that deal?!?!?!?" and not trying to peg things into a leaguewide structure.

Again, explain Boeser vs. Point if the Leafs are somehow exclusively paying higher rates than Tampa. Explain Eichel. Explain Draisaitl.

 

[Bates]

When the dust settles shortly on this years crop of RFA's Marner is seen as the 3rd or 4th best player but will have the highest salary and Cap hit. I'm not sure how that can be spun as not an overpayment. Combine that with Marner easily being the biggest endorsement guy and he gave the Leaf's absolutely nothing on the negotiation front.

 

[Strangelove]

The argument is that the Leafs are now paying significantly more for their RFAs than the rest of the league, not just Tampa.

And that argument has been debunked, again and again. It's only being made by people who are only looking at the extreme outliers and saying "Why couldn't the Leafs get that deal?!?!?!?" and not trying to peg things into a leaguewide structure.

Again, explain Boeser vs. Point if the Leafs are somehow exclusively paying higher rates than Tampa. Explain Eichel. Explain Draisaitl.

You're referring to contracts that are longer than Marner's and have a lower AAV. What am I supposed to be explaining?

I don't think people would be nearly as miffed if Marner werelocked in for 8 years. It would still be an overpayment, but not as obviously bad.

 

[Kin]

You're referring to contracts that are longer than Marner's and have a lower AAV. What am I supposed to be explaining?

Really? Boeser's three year deal is longer than Marner's six?

The question is in simple English. If the Leafs are exclusive in paying significantly higher rates than Tampa than explain Point's deal in relation to some of the other deals signed.