We don't know what the official trade looks like still. If the Leafs end up buying some draft picks and/or prospects by doing that it could be interesting. It's just money.
Marner to Vegas is finally happening
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Yeah. I remember that Marleau's had one later in the season.
I was gonna say if a 1st round pick came back the other way, sure. But if it’s just the player swap, that’s insane.
lamajama
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Leafs are incredibly fortunate to get anything. I think this was to help dump a salary albeit small and just maybe head off a tampering question
I get that. I was specifically referring to the notion of the leafs paying his $11mil bonus of his new contract.
herman
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The extension kicks in July 1, and he sort of has to be traded before July 1 noon, so I’d imagine the Leafs and Marner would both prefer the bonus to come from the state tax free locale.
Oh wait, does he need to be traded by July 1?
dappleganger
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I dunno, I assume the trade went through already but I suppose It wouldn't have to go through immediately.
Arn
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I'm sad to see him go, and sad with how it went down. I think the blame can be spread around.
From a pure watching hockey for entertainment point of view, he was one of the most fun to watch Leafs of all (my) time. Those early years of him, Matthews and Nylander when there weren't the expectations and pressure that eventually built were absolutely brilliant Leafs teams to watch.
I think he'll thrive in Vegas too.
From a pure watching hockey for entertainment point of view, he was one of the most fun to watch Leafs of all (my) time. Those early years of him, Matthews and Nylander when there weren't the expectations and pressure that eventually built were absolutely brilliant Leafs teams to watch.
I think he'll thrive in Vegas too.
mr grieves
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Me too. I made my call earlier:
The contract and cap... Rumors were $13m to $14m on the open market -- or 13.6% to 14.7% of next year's cap. How it's gone and how it's going to go:
| Season | Cap | Mitch $$ | % Mitch |
| 2019-20 | 81.5 | 10.893 | 13.4% |
| 2020-21 | 81.5 | 10.893 | 13.4% |
| 2021-22 | 81.5 | 10.893 | 13.4% |
| 2022-23 | 82.5 | 10.893 | 13.2% |
| 2023-24 | 83.5 | 10.893 | 13.1% |
| 2024-25 | 88.0 | 10.893 | 12.4% |
| 2025-26 | 95.5 | 12.000 | 12.6% |
| 2026-27 | 104 | 12.000 | 11.5% |
So, in the end, he’ll make less against the cap for Vegas than he did in all but one of his last 6 seasons in Toronto. Next year he’s getting 12.6% of their cap; it took until the very last year of his Leafs deal to get the cap hit down to 12.4%. The Vegas deal leaves enough room for the rest of the team, plus Vegas already has a winning culture. I expect Marner will be well insulated and excel down there.
Though I guess it’s possible luck doesn’t go Vegas’s way next year, and it starts to feel like the brain shambles can just as well live in a desert climate.
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ZBBM
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LOL at the MLHS postmortems: 1200 words blaming Marner for everything and then throw in "It's a shame things turned out this way best of luck Mitchy" at the end.
You will never see such a collection of disingenuous rationalizing to try to explain away the fact that this is an on-ice disaster for the Leafs.
You will never see such a collection of disingenuous rationalizing to try to explain away the fact that this is an on-ice disaster for the Leafs.
I don't think Kelly McCrimmon and George McPhee suddenly became stupid hockey people.
They did win a Cup recently.
McCrimmon cited a number of Marner's team leading playoff stats. He's followed him since Marner was in junior.
McCrimmon also basically blamed the Leafs playoff shortcomings on the management while mentioning "they were victimized by the flat cap" (from Covid).
When McDavid was asked this year why his team lost, he cited Florida's goaltending and defense and then specifically mentioned how Florida had 8 forwards with 20 pts (2 of them had 18). In other words, their forward depth was all over them. We've seen something similar with our Leafs who also lacked that sort of depth.
Roughly ~7,800 players have ever pulled on a NHL jersey. Of those who managed to play 40 or more playoff games, Marner's .90 playoff ppg is 74th highest in NHL history (~5th in Leafs history) and which led his team in that stat over his 9 seasons in Toronto. Over the last 9 years, he's in the top 20 in the league. Marner either scored or assisted on 34% of his team's playoff goals (better than any other player on his team) while playing a 200 foot game. But the media made up their minds that he's a playoff bum and have run him out of town without much objection from Leafs management who probably saw it as a way to kept his contract numbers down.
Marner added this:
Benoit went through something similar earlier this season.
After the birth of our first, it took me a while to adjust and quite some time to get normal sleep.
I'm not sure how deep Vegas will go without Pietrangelo but I'm sure Marner will keep on doing what he's been doing his entire career. With Marner's addition, Vegas is probably a significantly better playoff club than our Leafs will be without him.
They did win a Cup recently.
McCrimmon cited a number of Marner's team leading playoff stats. He's followed him since Marner was in junior.
McCrimmon also basically blamed the Leafs playoff shortcomings on the management while mentioning "they were victimized by the flat cap" (from Covid).
When McDavid was asked this year why his team lost, he cited Florida's goaltending and defense and then specifically mentioned how Florida had 8 forwards with 20 pts (2 of them had 18). In other words, their forward depth was all over them. We've seen something similar with our Leafs who also lacked that sort of depth.
Roughly ~7,800 players have ever pulled on a NHL jersey. Of those who managed to play 40 or more playoff games, Marner's .90 playoff ppg is 74th highest in NHL history (~5th in Leafs history) and which led his team in that stat over his 9 seasons in Toronto. Over the last 9 years, he's in the top 20 in the league. Marner either scored or assisted on 34% of his team's playoff goals (better than any other player on his team) while playing a 200 foot game. But the media made up their minds that he's a playoff bum and have run him out of town without much objection from Leafs management who probably saw it as a way to kept his contract numbers down.
Marner added this:
His son arrived just before the series began with Florida.
Benoit went through something similar earlier this season.
After the birth of our first, it took me a while to adjust and quite some time to get normal sleep.
I'm not sure how deep Vegas will go without Pietrangelo but I'm sure Marner will keep on doing what he's been doing his entire career. With Marner's addition, Vegas is probably a significantly better playoff club than our Leafs will be without him.
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GhostofPotvin29
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Man that flat cap just ruined this era. That deal barely changed as a % of the cap for almost its entirety.
herman
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Marner basically stating this was the case for the past 2ish years, but also disengaging with any trade talks or extensions, after Shanahan forced the front office to let the NMC kick in is not helping his PR.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Management did themselves no favours.
Marner is also culpable by being a pissy pants.
In the end, the narrative of home town hockey hero blinded both management and Marner.