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  1. mr grieves

    Idiocracy 2024

    Well, we never recovered from W Bush / Obama one-two punch, which is how we got to this, so... no. We're done, guys.
  2. mr grieves

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Yeah but........ [in "the Aristocrats" voice] The Shanaplan!
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    In the position of Leafs management, after the 2nd contract negotiation, I would've been very reluctant to trust that Marner's team could be worked with on a win-win in the event things didn't work out. I think it was clear, from that one, that Marner isn't interested in long-term commitments...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    I say bring back all the fun depth guys we traded to make room for the Four and to try to graft a winning culture onto these losers.
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Reports are Marner's camp hasn't responded to the Leafs' outreach, except maybe to invite them to a Zoom pitch after July 1.
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    I saw a few others as I skimmed the transaction list on Wikipedia... ARI traded OEL and Conor Garland, CBJ traded Seth Jones, BUF traded Sam Reinhart, BUF traded Jack Eichel, VAN traded Bo Horvat, WPG traded Pierre-Luc Dubois... Yeah, most of those are steps back from Nylander or (especially)...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    If there’d been a spring cleaning in any of 2021, 2022, or 2023, I wonder what the Leafs could look like today. How many top-pairing centers or worthwhile 1-2Cs moved over those years? Could any of them been had for either Marner or Nylander?
  8. mr grieves

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Good piece and this is a great passage:
  9. mr grieves

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    I knew! I knew! I said it the day after it was signed! "In almost every other case" doesn't mean much when you're dealing with such an outlier in cap allocation.
  10. mr grieves

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    He doesn't "have" to unless he wants to play on a Toronto-based NHL team that can contend for a Stanley Cup. If he did, there'd be a deal done by now. There's a May 2024 quote from Marner about "start[ing] thinking about it now and try to figure something out" but no reporting that Ferris was...
  11. mr grieves

    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Maybe Ferris couldn't find any better takers.
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Sure. But once July 1, 2024 rolls around, if your agent isn’t in Treliving’s office to start working out an extension — something team friendly, that shows commitment to the city and returns some of what your underperformance cost the team over your last deal — it’s clear that you aren’t...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    For the Leafs to contend, with what they’re being paid under a hard cap, those 4 probably need to be the top 4 in Leafs playoff history, and they definitely need to be a lot better than 15-20 in the league! Their contract values put them in the top 5 or so, right up there with MacKinnon...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    But doesn't that make it fairly likely that you lose both? Nylander would be as aggrieved as many here say Marner is--except rightfully so, in this case, as the team's saying we aren't negotiating with you until that guy's under contract, which is after yours expires but, you know, wait around...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Marner only edible to extend on July 1, 2024? Wouldn't that have been when Nylander became a UFA?
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    I think that's right. By walking it to UFA--which was his and his agent's declared intention going back to at least the start of this season and his agent's way of doing business over enough contracts now this was obvious back in Spring 2023--it meant the only way Mitch was staying (on his...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Fair. Yeah, it's a bold (i.e. not fully investigated) predication... I'm aware that the most contender-y of Marner's suitors might not have other core pieces on market contracts. Certainly, the Leafs have been unique in the league in having 4 players with 8-figure AAVs. Maybe Mitch plus some...
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    My prediction: not if he signs for $13m. The next team that signs him will be limited in the same way the Leafs have been and will be paying playoff game-breaking money to a player who doesn’t break playoff games.
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    Marner may have been the only member of the core 4 who had trash thrown on his lawn, but I seriously doubt he was the only one to have a fan yell at him while out walking. It is true, though, that he was the only one about whom a story like that ended up in columns from insiders. Weird!
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    2025 Offseason Thread: Spring Cleaning

    This beggars belief. Has a Farris client ever signed a contract once they were eligible to extend? I thought all his clients went to free agency to test the market.
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