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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1440 on: August 13, 2019, 02:57:09 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1441 on: August 13, 2019, 03:08:42 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

Call Doug, surely someone on here has his direct line!!!

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1442 on: August 13, 2019, 03:23:27 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

I like this thinking outside the box.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1443 on: August 13, 2019, 03:32:19 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

I like this thinking outside the box.

Wouldn't this just validate Ferris' argument?

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« Reply #1444 on: August 13, 2019, 05:15:59 PM »
Do you think that would really change much? To me it feels like the offer sheet market is dead mostly because GMs don't want to step on each others toes. It's just a dumb culture thing that I don't see really changing. I can't imagine it's the fear of the compensation that's preventing guys like Laine and Tkachuk from getting offer sheets under $8.5mil (the 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier).

I really do.

Take Marner for example. A lot of people here have said that Marner may not be as valuable as 4 1st round picks and his cap space. I don't think that's true but that's something that every GM in the league has to consider. Remove those 4 1sts from the equation and it becomes a lot more difficult for a GM of a bad team with a lot of cap space to explain to his fans/owner why they're not out there seriously pursuing top tier free agents. If signing Marner has no such asset swap I think he'd be seen more as a regular free agent and none of us see signing UFA's as stepping on other team's toes.

Then, once your top tier RFA guys sign then players like Tkachuk and Laine have a market and they're more likely to sign too. Or to go out and get the deal they want from someone else.

I wonder if doing away with compensation might help getting some offers flowing on lower and mid-tier players as well.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1445 on: August 13, 2019, 05:21:22 PM »
I think it's best to just relax and wait. From the players side of the equation, all have said they're confident that something will get done. The only people talking about offer sheets and trades are the media folk. And rightly so, they have to earn a living and it's got to be tough writing about the Leafs in the dog days of summer.

If I was a betting man, and I'm not, I'd wager that both sides believe they have a solid framework to build on and putting on the finishing touches won't take long. So, rather than spoil a beautiful summer in the Muskokas, they take a break and agree to reconvene in late August to finalize things.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1446 on: August 13, 2019, 06:24:52 PM »
Do you think that would really change much? To me it feels like the offer sheet market is dead mostly because GMs don't want to step on each others toes. It's just a dumb culture thing that I don't see really changing. I can't imagine it's the fear of the compensation that's preventing guys like Laine and Tkachuk from getting offer sheets under $8.5mil (the 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier).

I really do.

Take Marner for example. A lot of people here have said that Marner may not be as valuable as 4 1st round picks and his cap space. I don't think that's true but that's something that every GM in the league has to consider. Remove those 4 1sts from the equation and it becomes a lot more difficult for a GM of a bad team with a lot of cap space to explain to his fans/owner why they're not out there seriously pursuing top tier free agents. If signing Marner has no such asset swap I think he'd be seen more as a regular free agent and none of us see signing UFA's as stepping on other team's toes.

Then, once your top tier RFA guys sign then players like Tkachuk and Laine have a market and they're more likely to sign too. Or to go out and get the deal they want from someone else.

I wonder if doing away with compensation might help getting some offers flowing on lower and mid-tier players as well.

Let's flesh this out a little more...how would that affect the Leafs, and other teams, spending money developing players?

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1447 on: August 13, 2019, 06:28:11 PM »
I wonder if doing away with compensation might help getting some offers flowing on lower and mid-tier players as well.

Maybe, like I said I think that the less GMs think of RFA's as still belonging to the team that holds the matching rights the more active the market gets, but I don't think it's a 2nd round pick that prevented teams from going after Kapanen or Johnsson, it's that most teams have their own version of those guys.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1448 on: August 13, 2019, 06:31:19 PM »
I wonder if doing away with compensation might help getting some offers flowing on lower and mid-tier players as well.

Maybe, like I said I think that the less GMs think of RFA's as still belonging to the team that holds the matching rights the more active the market gets, but I don't think it's a 2nd round pick that prevented teams from going after Kapanen or Johnsson, it's that most teams have their own version of those guys.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Partly because of your discussions in the past, I've really come to view these players as what they should be: FREE agents.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1449 on: August 13, 2019, 06:54:04 PM »
In war terms Mercenaries
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1450 on: August 13, 2019, 06:58:10 PM »
In war terms Mercenaries

No. This is a bad analogy. Literally every single player in the NHL is playing for money.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1451 on: August 15, 2019, 06:24:33 PM »
CJ’s radio hit today updating on the Marner situation
https://www.sportsnet.ca/590/prime-time-sports/cj-marner-contract-nylander-confidence/

Mitch Marner called up William Nylander to get some advice on the contract situation. CJ doesn’t believe there is much of a gap between the two sides at this time, and it appears to him that the Leafs have stepped closer to Marner’s agent’s ask.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPz6AQD3EBg
Repeated again for Sid

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1452 on: August 16, 2019, 02:15:34 PM »
What about a straight up trade for Laine?

I prefer Marner and admit that Laine tends to be a bit streaky but Laine has more size and it might solve both teams' problems.

It also sends a message that should have been sent last year.

It is merely a suggestion  but feel free to flame away.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1453 on: August 16, 2019, 03:40:59 PM »
Laine's comments sure make the Marner situation seem tame by comparison.  I mean Mitch has barely commented at all about his contract and you've got Laine saying he's had no talks with the Jets, doesn't know where he'll be playing next season but hey, it's been pretty OK in Winnipeg I guess.  :o

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1454 on: August 16, 2019, 04:22:35 PM »
Laine's comments sure make the Marner situation seem tame by comparison.  I mean Mitch has barely commented at all about his contract and you've got Laine saying he's had no talks with the Jets, doesn't know where he'll be playing next season but hey, it's been pretty OK in Winnipeg I guess.  :o

Yesterday Craig Custance reported that the Avs haven't even offered Rantanen a contract yet this summer.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
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