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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #165 on: March 16, 2019, 10:05:46 PM »
Have trailed by 3 goals in 4 straight games.   Thatís gotta be an NHL first this season.

Still inquiring where the positive is.

A lot of guys have blocked you so you won't get an answer

You took the time to respond. Why not answer the question?   Iím not being disingenuous.   Iím heartbroken.   The team I love doesnít bother to compete.   Itís hard.
Based on your posting history I suspect you're actually a fan of another team and pretend to be a Leafs fan so you can constantly post negatively in the Leafs game threads. Madferret perhaps?

My history from 2000? Iíve been here nearly 20 years.   Just now being called out.   But go on..

I donít think youíre a fan of another team.

I think itís just your relentless negativity that is grating to a lot of people.

Iím sure itís probably a way for you to vent as an allowance for whatever else is going on in your life.

There have been a lot of times when things have been going well this year when youíve continued to be negative.

Eventually people just switch off.

Iím sure in your mind you think youíre merely pointing out problems you see with the team, but thatís not how a lot of people here perceive it.

Either way, I wish you well, weíre all in this together.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #165 on: March 16, 2019, 10:05:46 PM »

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #166 on: March 16, 2019, 10:11:44 PM »
Have trailed by 3 goals in 4 straight games.   Thatís gotta be an NHL first this season.

Still inquiring where the positive is.

A lot of guys have blocked you so you won't get an answer

You took the time to respond. Why not answer the question?   Iím not being disingenuous.   Iím heartbroken.   The team I love doesnít bother to compete.   Itís hard.
Based on your posting history I suspect you're actually a fan of another team and pretend to be a Leafs fan so you can constantly post negatively in the Leafs game threads. Madferret perhaps?

My history from 2000? Iíve been here nearly 20 years.   Just now being called out.   But go on..

I donít think youíre a fan of another team.

I think itís just your relentless negativity that is grating to a lot of people.

Iím sure itís probably a way for you to vent as an allowance for whatever else is going on in your life.

There have been a lot of times when things have been going well this year when youíve continued to be negative.

Eventually people just switch off.

Iím sure in your mind you think youíre merely pointing out problems you see with the team, but thatís not how a lot of people here perceive it.

Either way, I wish you well, weíre all in this together.

Great feedback.   Thank you. Never a time you canít get better. 

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #167 on: March 16, 2019, 10:32:46 PM »
The kicker is we know this team is better than this. We want them to play to their upmost potential and challenge for a championship. 

Letís be honest, even if the leafs play to the best of their abilities, beating Tampa in a 7 game series is a mountain of a challenge. Playing the way they have as of late and theyíd be lucky to win 1 game in 5.

Come playoffs Iíll still be in front of the tv watching, cursing, pacing back and forth.
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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #168 on: March 16, 2019, 10:57:52 PM »
The kicker is we know this team is better than this. We want them to play to their upmost potential and challenge for a championship. 

Letís be honest, even if the leafs play to the best of their abilities, beating Tampa in a 7 game series is a mountain of a challenge. Playing the way they have as of late and theyíd be lucky to win 1 game in 5.

Come playoffs Iíll still be in front of the tv watching, cursing, pacing back and forth.

Well, there's no doubt that if they don't play any better than this in the playoffs a sweep is very possible.

That said, while I'm not optimistic about their chances against Boston I also  don't think they are going to turn in 4 performances in a row like the last 4.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #169 on: March 16, 2019, 11:19:23 PM »
I don't think they'll get swept. They are still a good team guys. Let's be realistic here.

In the absolute sea of mediocrity that is the modern NHL, the Leafs are in the upper echelon. They have a good core group of players, most of whom are under contract for a significant amount of time. There is still room for improvement. I admit that I haven't watched a lot of the team this year thanks to work, and their record during games I watch is not good and that accounts for a lot of my negative GDT posts. But I acknowledge that, as mediocre as the league is, you don't get to the top of it by being firm dog poop.

I think I've been pretty consistent in my criticism of the Leafs this year, right from the start of it. It's just not their time. They have a lot of maturing to do. The thing is, most of these guys are young, and have been among the best players if not THE best players everywhere they've played. Now they are getting into their 2nd and 3rd years in the league, enjoying relative success, but they haven't matured enough as a group to take the next step. The team is too soft to compete successfully in the grind of an NHL playoff series, let alone multiple. But these aren't areas that can't be improved upon with a little bit of work ethic and a little bit of toughening up. I'm not saying that Marner has to start banging bodies or that Muzzin needs to start laying guys out, or that they should replace half their forwards with Kassian-like goons, just that the players they have need to give that little bit extra effort to win puck battles and force turnovers. Nobody in this league is going to just give the puck up if you don't force them to.

Babcock has been echoing these sentiments all year. Things like "starting on time" and "playing heavy." He's trying to teach them what it takes to win in this league. But the truth is that none of these guys have really had to work that hard on the ice throughout their playing days. Everything just sort of came to them and now they're discovering that it's just not that easy at this level. To be honest, I think Babcock is allowing them to fail, because sometimes failure is the only way you learn. This is a process, and the Leafs are in it for the long haul. If you look at the big picture, things are looking up. I know we are all tired of failure but we've been waiting this long...what's another year or two?


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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #170 on: March 17, 2019, 12:36:02 AM »
I don't think they'll get swept. They are still a good team guys. Let's be realistic here.

In the absolute sea of mediocrity that is the modern NHL, the Leafs are in the upper echelon. They have a good core group of players, most of whom are under contract for a significant amount of time. There is still room for improvement. I admit that I haven't watched a lot of the team this year thanks to work, and their record during games I watch is not good and that accounts for a lot of my negative GDT posts. But I acknowledge that, as mediocre as the league is, you don't get to the top of it by being firm dog poop.

I think I've been pretty consistent in my criticism of the Leafs this year, right from the start of it. It's just not their time. They have a lot of maturing to do. The thing is, most of these guys are young, and have been among the best players if not THE best players everywhere they've played. Now they are getting into their 2nd and 3rd years in the league, enjoying relative success, but they haven't matured enough as a group to take the next step. The team is too soft to compete successfully in the grind of an NHL playoff series, let alone multiple. But these aren't areas that can't be improved upon with a little bit of work ethic and a little bit of toughening up. I'm not saying that Marner has to start banging bodies or that Muzzin needs to start laying guys out, or that they should replace half their forwards with Kassian-like goons, just that the players they have need to give that little bit extra effort to win puck battles and force turnovers. Nobody in this league is going to just give the puck up if you don't force them to.

Babcock has been echoing these sentiments all year. Things like "starting on time" and "playing heavy." He's trying to teach them what it takes to win in this league. But the truth is that none of these guys have really had to work that hard on the ice throughout their playing days. Everything just sort of came to them and now they're discovering that it's just not that easy at this level. To be honest, I think Babcock is allowing them to fail, because sometimes failure is the only way you learn. This is a process, and the Leafs are in it for the long haul. If you look at the big picture, things are looking up. I know we are all tired of failure but we've been waiting this long...what's another year or two?

Very good post.  My only quibble is that they all have had some tough-result playoff experience and should already know that individual skill is not enough.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #171 on: March 17, 2019, 01:17:00 AM »
I agree. That kind of ties into the part about Babcock letting them fail. Eventually they are going to ask "what's going wrong here?". The message will be the same but the players will be ready to listen.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #172 on: March 17, 2019, 02:11:56 AM »
When Iíve gotten on my rants about this teams lack of toughness, grit, compete level etc Iíve been bashed by some for being negative and getting wound up.

LC9 is getting the same bashing but fact is heís right.

We are all fans here myself since I was 5 years old a year after their last cup.

Do I take it too seriously? Probably.

I see a lot of positives with this team. Most of it.

But although the team has taken some great strides I think thatís mostly due to how we sucked in prior years.

Had some good picks to help us get where we are.

Itís not due to Babcockís coaching.

What I do see and unfortunately a lot on here donít is how the team plays without the puck especially in our end. That has been dreadful since Babcock arrived and isnít any better today.

Another area of concern is team toughness, willing to battle, take a hit to make a play etc. I understand the game has changed but those are still key parts of the game and ultimately make a team better. We are definitely missing that and although those facets of the game may come with maturity I personally feel for most players itís something you have or donít.

Dubas needs to improve this area this summer plain and simple.

I personally didnít think we were going to win a cup last year and certainly not this year so instead of picking up players for draft picks we should have been trading JVR, Bozak and Gardiner at the deadline and picked up some draft picks or young players.
Use the picks to restock the cupboard to ease in some players to help with the cap issues.

Anyway I donít see things changing for the playoffs. Hope Iím wrong. Bruins are a one line team. Think they can be beat but donít see us getting any further even if we figure out how to get by them.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #173 on: March 17, 2019, 02:41:15 AM »
I don't think they'll get swept. They are still a good team guys. Let's be realistic here.

In the absolute sea of mediocrity that is the modern NHL, the Leafs are in the upper echelon. They have a good core group of players, most of whom are under contract for a significant amount of time. There is still room for improvement. I admit that I haven't watched a lot of the team this year thanks to work, and their record during games I watch is not good and that accounts for a lot of my negative GDT posts. But I acknowledge that, as mediocre as the league is, you don't get to the top of it by being firm dog poop.

I think I've been pretty consistent in my criticism of the Leafs this year, right from the start of it. It's just not their time. They have a lot of maturing to do. The thing is, most of these guys are young, and have been among the best players if not THE best players everywhere they've played. Now they are getting into their 2nd and 3rd years in the league, enjoying relative success, but they haven't matured enough as a group to take the next step. The team is too soft to compete successfully in the grind of an NHL playoff series, let alone multiple. But these aren't areas that can't be improved upon with a little bit of work ethic and a little bit of toughening up. I'm not saying that Marner has to start banging bodies or that Muzzin needs to start laying guys out, or that they should replace half their forwards with Kassian-like goons, just that the players they have need to give that little bit extra effort to win puck battles and force turnovers. Nobody in this league is going to just give the puck up if you don't force them to.

Babcock has been echoing these sentiments all year. Things like "starting on time" and "playing heavy." He's trying to teach them what it takes to win in this league. But the truth is that none of these guys have really had to work that hard on the ice throughout their playing days. Everything just sort of came to them and now they're discovering that it's just not that easy at this level. To be honest, I think Babcock is allowing them to fail, because sometimes failure is the only way you learn.
This is a process, and the Leafs are in it for the long haul. If you look at the big picture, things are looking up. I know we are all tired of failure but we've been waiting this long...what's another year or two?


Right on.  That is exactly what Babcock means (as well as other experts) on the merits of ďheavy hockeyĒ.  The compete factor, getting and retrieving the puck, etc., etc.

No one expects the Leafs to win the Cup this year.  To get past the First Round?  I, for one, have expectations there, albeit tempered with the way things are turning out right now.  Hoping for the best.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #174 on: March 17, 2019, 06:18:36 AM »
Have trailed by 3 goals in 4 straight games.   Thatís gotta be an NHL first this season.

Still inquiring where the positive is.

A lot of guys have blocked you so you won't get an answer

You took the time to respond. Why not answer the question?   Iím not being disingenuous.   Iím heartbroken.   The team I love doesnít bother to compete.   Itís hard.
Based on your posting history I suspect you're actually a fan of another team and pretend to be a Leafs fan so you can constantly post negatively in the Leafs game threads. Madferret perhaps?

My history from 2000? Iíve been here nearly 20 years.   Just now being called out.   But go on..

Yea, you've always been a solid poster and, quite frankly, I think people are overreacting a bit to 'spur of the moment' posting. I get the same way when I'm watching, freaking out at all of the team's terrible (and let's face it, this team can be very bad very often) and lazy plays. It's definitely a frustrating team to watch. But I do think maybe the incessant repeating of the same complaints over and over again can get a bit grating, as WIGWAL pointed out. Just my meaningless two cents ;)

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #175 on: March 17, 2019, 07:20:29 AM »
Sounds like a well deserved loss.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #176 on: March 17, 2019, 09:14:35 AM »
Sounds like a well deserved loss.

They certainly earned it.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #177 on: March 17, 2019, 09:25:09 AM »
24 goals against in 4 games, they better wake up soon

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #178 on: March 17, 2019, 10:07:05 AM »
A few takeaways:

1. Auston Matthews is elite in the offensive end but spends way too much time coasting in the defensive end.

2. The Leafs are not nearly as good at controlling/transitioning the puck and breaking up opposing rushes when Gardiner is not in the lineup.

3. Muzzin was somehow a +1 on the night. He is good.

4. Marleau is a liability. He barely comes into contact with the opposing team and gives the puck away constantly.

4. The consistent bad starts and chaotic play at both ends is a coaching issue. Babcock is not getting enough out of this team

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #179 on: March 17, 2019, 11:14:10 AM »
Anyone else feel like they are watching "Carlyle Hockey" again? Same reliance on offense at the expense of defense, same
"drive-by" style of checking (waving sticks instead of engaging physically), same over-reliance on Andersen. Looks great early
in the season when games are more wide-open, looks great when "puck luck" is in our favor and pucks are going in the opponents
net every which way, looks OK when Andersen stands on his head. Doesn't look so good when the puck luck dries up or opponents
adjust/tighten their games or Freddy regresses to baseline performance.

The only difference seems to be a much  higher overall talent level now (especially on offense) which often hides the deficiencies
and gets the team wins it doesn't necessarily deserve. What is unclear is how much of this  might be on coaching/systems
and how much is a lack of maturity of many of our key players. The latter will certainly improve over the years but the former?

Anyway...getting blasted in the first round might be the best thing that could happen to this team.

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Re: Leafs @ sens - Mar. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #179 on: March 17, 2019, 11:14:10 AM »