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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #210 on: December 08, 2018, 10:47:44 PM »
You can go through video of any game and see "late" hits like that all the time. If McAvoy is paying attention this isn't even talked about. He's just standing there watching his pass. At some point players need to protect themselves otherwise just take hitting out of the game.

This is like blaming the train for hitting the guy standing on the tracks.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #210 on: December 08, 2018, 10:47:44 PM »

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« Reply #211 on: December 08, 2018, 10:55:42 PM »
Like herman said, Hyman's trajectory was taking him past McAvoy but he shifts slightly to the left to lay the hit.  And this is the 2nd game back for McAvoy after a concussion.

I mean, seriously.  If someone did that same move and landed it on Matthews' shoulder his 2nd game back, there'd be a 20-page thread on it here.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #212 on: December 08, 2018, 11:05:54 PM »
Nah, I'd be wondering what the hell is wrong with Matthews.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #213 on: December 09, 2018, 12:03:08 AM »
I didn't think it was that bad and Im not saying that because it was one of their guys. So McFate because it's his second game back what does that mean? If a player has had a concussion does it mean he's off limit? I don't like anyone getting concussed but its part of the game. If you don't want to be subjected to one in your career then look for another profession. Unfortunately that's the way it is. Can't take hitting away from the game. When they do that I will no longer watch it.

The hit by Reaves the other night on Wilson was worse completely avoidable and blindsided. Reaves knew it was Wilson and he figured he would give him a taste of his own medicine. Wilson is dirty so tit for tat. To me that hit was a lot worse than Hyman's.

I agree with TML the players have to be held responsible sometimes. McAvoy is looking the other way and admiring his pass. He knew Hyman was there pass it off and either skate away or prepare yourself.

Like I said seen a lot worse and whether late or not the 2 minute penalty was the right call. No discipline and the bulls*t after is what the league needs to enforce.

Finally the other thing that is stupidity from the league is how they determine the length of a suspension due to the injury to the player. That should have nothing to do with it. I could take an illegal hit and go down but miss no time. Another person may take the same hit and be injured and miss time. Should that determine the length of the suspension? Not in my mind. Should be the same in both cases.

League disciplinary is a joke always has been always will.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #214 on: December 09, 2018, 06:36:58 AM »
This was clearly the Leafs worst game this year in every area -- goal, defence, and offence.

Andersen's off night, the parting of the defence by the Bruins as though it was the Red Sea, and the hits (from both teams) that reared it's ugly side.  Plus the fact that, though the Leafs tried valiantly for a comeback, some of their best played amongst their worst showing for the night.  Add to that the fact that again Toronto seems somewhat spooked by a Boston team that didn't even need to be out in full force, (except for when the going got rough & tough), goes to show that the Toronto Maple Leafs still can't, won't, or simply fail in finding a strategy in dealing with playing the Bruins.

Come playoff time, they'd better have one figured out.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #215 on: December 09, 2018, 07:53:05 AM »
I mean, seriously.  If someone did that same move and landed it on Matthews' shoulder his 2nd game back, there'd be a 20-page thread on it here.

That actually happened, Kronwall made a dangerous hit on Matthews on Thursday.

I don't think there was much reaction other than it should have been a major penalty.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #216 on: December 09, 2018, 08:41:16 AM »
Wow, what a dirty, mess of a game. I'd figure, with all of that chaos, that at least the Leafs were able to enjoy some significant PP time for once.
*checks stats. Oh.



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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #217 on: December 09, 2018, 09:36:13 AM »
You can go through video of any game and see "late" hits like that all the time. If McAvoy is paying attention this isn't even talked about. He's just standing there watching his pass. At some point players need to protect themselves otherwise just take hitting out of the game.

This is like blaming the train for hitting the guy standing on the tracks.

For what it's worth, I think it was late. But, it wasn't like 3 seconds after the play. I think a 2 minute minor is all it warranted. I agree that McAvoy shouldn't have been puck-gazing especially in the position he was in (couple feet from the boards.)

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #218 on: December 09, 2018, 11:23:31 AM »
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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #219 on: December 09, 2018, 11:36:38 AM »

I think it's a pretty bad hit. Clearly late, clearly going out of his way to hit him and without even the ancillary justification of even taking him out of the play.

If I were running the NHL this is exactly the sort of hit I'd be looking to get rid of. Dangerous to the player and in no way the sort of physicality that makes the game exciting. This isn't an open ice hit to separate a player from the puck or anything that could at all be called a defensive play.

To the extent that it's worthy of any particular punishment, who the heck knows? I don't think it's worse than the Wilson hit last week.
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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #220 on: December 09, 2018, 11:42:11 AM »
You can go through video of any game and see "late" hits like that all the time. If McAvoy is paying attention this isn't even talked about. He's just standing there watching his pass. At some point players need to protect themselves otherwise just take hitting out of the game.

This is like blaming the train for hitting the guy standing on the tracks.

For what it's worth, I think it was late. But, it wasn't like 3 seconds after the play. I think a 2 minute minor is all it warranted. I agree that McAvoy shouldn't have been puck-gazing especially in the position he was in (couple feet from the boards.)

Or, on the other hand, you could see the fact that he was standing around, nowhere near the play as a justification for not hitting him.
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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #221 on: December 09, 2018, 11:52:28 AM »
Yeah, really.  Sorry azzurri, I don't accept that you deserve to get hit if you are stationary against the boards and watching a pass you just made.  You are done with the play for the moment.  You aren't skating and the puck is now nowhere you.

Hyman changed course to hit McAvoy.  He hit him with his shoulder, near his head.  I don't like the Bruins much but they reacted just the way I would expect them to.  They know McAvoy just came back from a concussion, and they know that Hyman knows too.  Do I think Hyman was trying to concuss McAvoy again?  No, he's not nearly that stupid.  But I don't think you can expect your opponent to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Per Frank's comment, the Kronwall hit was not the same. Matthews was playing the puck, not just standing there.  Yes, it was a dirty hit, but Matthews just happened to go into the boards shoulder-first.  Hard to argue that Kronwall was trying to do that.

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« Reply #222 on: December 09, 2018, 11:56:50 AM »
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These responses miss the point: when you are playing the team that cleaned your clock in G7 last spring, you don't want to come out of their building totally embarrassed, especially playing a depleted group.  Sure it's an emotional reaction.  Our job as fans includes that stuff.

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #223 on: December 09, 2018, 12:45:45 PM »
You can go through video of any game and see "late" hits like that all the time. If McAvoy is paying attention this isn't even talked about. He's just standing there watching his pass. At some point players need to protect themselves otherwise just take hitting out of the game.

This is like blaming the train for hitting the guy standing on the tracks.

For what it's worth, I think it was late. But, it wasn't like 3 seconds after the play. I think a 2 minute minor is all it warranted. I agree that McAvoy shouldn't have been puck-gazing especially in the position he was in (couple feet from the boards.)

Or, on the other hand, you could see the fact that he was standing around, nowhere near the play as a justification for not hitting him.

I actually agree with you completely. These are absolutely the types of hits that need to be removed from the game. The intent of hitting is to knock someone off the puck; it shouldn't be to injure. Hitting someone who is defenseless (for whatever reason) is just dangerous.

My previous post was more about the current game and warranted discipline. It was clearly late, but I didn't see this hit as being overly malicious. It could have been significantly worse. Knowing the current state of the game (i.e. that these hits still happen frequently); McAvoy should have been more aware. That's not to put any blame on him (sexy clothes shouldn't get you raped and all that...)

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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #224 on: December 09, 2018, 01:26:10 PM »
My previous post was more about the current game and warranted discipline. It was clearly late, but I didn't see this hit as being overly malicious. It could have been significantly worse. Knowing the current state of the game (i.e. that these hits still happen frequently); McAvoy should have been more aware. That's not to put any blame on him (sexy clothes shouldn't get you raped and all that...)

I may have come off there a little more tart then I intended but all I was saying is that both you and TML Fan seemed to be implying that, if McAvoy wasn't to blame, that his watching the play at least constituted a mitigating factor here. All I was saying really was that the reason he was watching the play is because the puck was nowhere near him and, as a result, watching the play and not expecting to get hit is pretty reasonable on his part.

If someone wanted to categorize this hit more in the "careless act" pile rather than a deliberate and malicious attempt to injure I think that's defensible, alls I'm saying is that between the two players involved here describe the one watching the play as being somehow "unaware" or lacking in judgement seems off to me.
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Re: Leafs @ Bruins - Dec. 8th, 7:00pm EST - CBC
« Reply #224 on: December 09, 2018, 01:26:10 PM »