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You get a qualifying offer! You get a qualifying offer!
« on: June 25, 2018, 02:59:43 PM »
Everybody gets a qualifying offer!

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2018, 03:02:54 PM »
Thank god they qualified Marincin.

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2018, 03:06:14 PM »
As I posted on Twitter, I wonder if Marincin just accepts his QO which is 1.3M x 1 yr.

Some names not getting QO's:



Reider is interesting.  His QO would have been 2.45M.  I don't think they declined to tender the QO for any reason other than worrying that he'd sign it.  He's an NHLer, but probably not @ 2.45M.

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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2018, 03:11:39 PM »
As I posted on Twitter, I wonder if Marincin just accepts his QO which is 1.3M x 1 yr.

I was just looking into this. The issue with Marincin taking it is that I think his QO might be a two-way deal. From Capfriendly:

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The qualifying offer must be a One-Way offer if the following three requirements are met (A goaltender is considered to have played a game if they are on the bench as a backup for this scenario):

The player played in 180 NHL games in the previous three seasons (Prorating for the shortened 2012-13 season: 156 games if one of the three seasons is 2012-13).
The player played in 60 NHL games in the previous season (36 if the previous season is 2012-13).
The player did not clear waivers in the previous season.


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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2018, 03:12:28 PM »
I can't believe there wasn't a gif.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2018, 03:14:47 PM »
I can't believe there wasn't a gif.




Happy?

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2018, 03:16:05 PM »
As I posted on Twitter, I wonder if Marincin just accepts his QO which is 1.3M x 1 yr.

I was just looking into this. The issue with Marincin taking it is that I think his QO might be a two-way deal. From Capfriendly:

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The qualifying offer must be a One-Way offer if the following three requirements are met (A goaltender is considered to have played a game if they are on the bench as a backup for this scenario):

The player played in 180 NHL games in the previous three seasons (Prorating for the shortened 2012-13 season: 156 games if one of the three seasons is 2012-13).
The player played in 60 NHL games in the previous season (36 if the previous season is 2012-13).
The player did not clear waivers in the previous season.

I was just reading that too.  It seems like it would be a two-way, in which case Marincin would probably be reluctant to sign.

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2018, 03:20:33 PM »

Happy?

To sound completely ungrateful, that is a .jpg, sir.

I also can't believe the first and only time I ever watched Oprah was this exact episode at the giveaway moment.

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 03:21:10 PM »
I was just reading that too.  It seems like it would be a two-way, in which case Marincin would probably be reluctant to sign.

You guys have a better understanding of this, so enlighten me here...

Since we don't know the $$ offered on the other end of the 2-way, is it likely premature for us to suggest he wouldn't be interested in it?

Also, wouldn't he be short on options in N.A. hockey?

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2018, 03:28:29 PM »
You guys have a better understanding of this, so enlighten me here...

Since we don't know the $$ offered on the other end of the 2-way, is it likely premature for us to suggest he wouldn't be interested in it?

Also, wouldn't he be short on options in N.A. hockey?

I'm not really sure if there even is a limit on what the AHL-end of a two-way contract is, but the highest I've seen is usually $100-200k. But really, it's better for both parties for Martincin to sign a one-way contract for say $800k or something.

Marincin still gets a solid pay cheque regardless of if he's in the NHL or AHL. And the Leafs aren't on the hook for the $300kish that would be stuck on their salary cap if they had to send his $1.3mil AAV contract to the Marlies.

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2018, 03:30:44 PM »
I was just reading that too.  It seems like it would be a two-way, in which case Marincin would probably be reluctant to sign.

You guys have a better understanding of this, so enlighten me here...

Since we don't know the $$ offered on the other end of the 2-way, is it likely premature for us to suggest he wouldn't be interested in it?

Also, wouldn't he be short on options in N.A. hockey?

The CBA says the following:

" if a Player is eligible to receive a Two-Way Qualifying Offer, the
Paragraph 1 Minor League Salary component shall not be less than
the higher of the Player's prior year's Paragraph 1 Minor League
Salary, if any, or the minimum Minor League salary. "

Can't be less than the minor league salary he had.  Since his last contract was a one-way, I wonder what that means his Paragraph 1 Minor League salary was?  Was it empty, or was it 1.3M since its a one-way?  Otherwise, they'd only have to put the minimum AHL salary of $47,500.

Premature to suggest he wouldn't be interested?  No, I doubt it.  If his AHL salary is $47,500 on this QO, the Leafs demote him, and nobody picks him up on waivers, he's getting waaaay underpaid.  If it's 1.3M, he should be signing it right away! 

Options in North America are limited.  Leafs, waivers, Marlies if not claimed.  He could go to Europe though.

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2018, 03:34:25 PM »
You guys have a better understanding of this, so enlighten me here...

Since we don't know the $$ offered on the other end of the 2-way, is it likely premature for us to suggest he wouldn't be interested in it?

Also, wouldn't he be short on options in N.A. hockey?

I'm not really sure if there even is a limit on what the AHL-end of a two-way contract is, but the highest I've seen is usually $100-200k. But really, it's better for both parties for Martincin to sign a one-way contract for say $800k or something.

Marincin still gets a solid pay cheque regardless of if he's in the NHL or AHL. And the Leafs aren't on the hook for the $300kish that would be stuck on their salary cap if they had to send his $1.3mil AAV contract to the Marlies.

Marlies have been flexing their financial might.  Mueller had a 400k "Minor's Salary" this past year.  This year (18-19), he gets $650k, which matches his NHL salary.

If Marincin does indeed get the minimum AHL salary on his QO, then yes, he's much better off trying to work out a deal like you state.  Leafs will have no problem giving him a one-way contract that can be completely buried.  (up to 1.025 million)

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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 03:36:45 PM »
You guys have a better understanding of this, so enlighten me here...

Since we don't know the $$ offered on the other end of the 2-way, is it likely premature for us to suggest he wouldn't be interested in it?

Also, wouldn't he be short on options in N.A. hockey?

I'm not really sure if there even is a limit on what the AHL-end of a two-way contract is, but the highest I've seen is usually $100-200k. But really, it's better for both parties for Martincin to sign a one-way contract for say $800k or something.

Marincin still gets a solid pay cheque regardless of if he's in the NHL or AHL. And the Leafs aren't on the hook for the $300kish that would be stuck on their salary cap if they had to send his $1.3mil AAV contract to the Marlies.

Marlies have been flexing their financial might.  Mueller had a 400k "Minor's Salary" this past year.  This year (18-19), he gets $650k, which matches his NHL salary.

If Marincin does indeed get the minimum AHL salary on his QO, then yes, he's much better off trying to work out a deal like you state.  Leafs will have no problem giving him a one-way contract that can be completely buried.  (up to 1.025 million)

I don't know if it's tracked or not, but how does the 17-18 Marlies payroll compare to others' in the league?

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 03:41:17 PM »
I don't know if it's tracked or not, but how does the 17-18 Marlies payroll compare to others' in the league?

This isn't total payroll, but the average salary of AHL veterans (source):

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 03:50:29 PM »
Thanks Carlton...that's interesting.

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