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Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« on: June 20, 2018, 04:47:22 PM »
Top 25 under 25 (by Sept 15, 2018) should be launching towards the end of July.
Check out last season's thread to see the changes in our pipeline. As I'm posting this in advance of the Draft, this post is malleable.

2018 Eligible:2018's list2017's list
Adam Brooks
Andreas Borgman
Andreas Johnsson
Andrew Nielsen
Auston Matthews
Calle Rosen
Carl Grundstrom
Connor Brown
Connor Carrick
Dakota Joshua
Dmytro Timashov
Eemeli Rasanen
Fedor Gordeev
Filip Kral
Frederik Gauthier
Garret Sparks old
Ian Scott
JD Greenway
Jeremy Bracco
Jesper Lindgren
JJ Piccinich
Jordan Subban
Joseph Woll
Kasimir Kaskisuo
Kasperi Kapanen
Mac Hollowell
Martins Dzierkals
Mason Marchment
Mitch Marner
Morgan Rielly
Nikolai Chebykin
Pierre Engvall
Pontus Holmberg
Rasmus Sandin
Riley Stotts
Ryan McGregor
Ryan O'Connell
Sean Durzi
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
Semyon Kizimov
Timothy Liljegren
Travis Dermott
Trevor Moore
Vladimir Boblyev
Vladislav Kara
William Nylander
Yegor Korshkov
Zachary Bouthillier
25. Pierre Engvall
24. Jordan Subban
23. Mason Marchment
22. Dmytro Timashov
21. Yegor Korshkov
20. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
19. Eemeli Rsnen
18. Sean Durzi
17. Jeremy Bracco
16. Adam Brooks
15. Trevor Moore
14. Calle Rosn
13. Carl Grundstrom
12. Rasmus Sandin
11. Andreas Borgman
10. Connor Carrick
9. Connor Brown
8. Andreas Johnsson
7. Timothy Liljegren
6. Kasperi Kapanen
5. Travis Dermott
4. Morgan Rielly
T2: Mitch Marner
T2: William Nylander
1. Auston Matthews
25. Rinat Valiev (traded) | Joseph Woll
24. Garret Sparks
23. Eemeli Rasanen
22. Yegor Korshkov
21. Miro Aaltonen
20. Dmytro Timashov
19. Andrew Nielsen
18. Kerby Rychel (traded)
17. Calle Rosen
16. Andreas Borgman
15. Adam Brooks
14. Nikita Soshnikov (traded)
13. Jeremy Bracco
12. Carl Grundstrom
11. Andreas Johnsson
10. Travis Dermott
9. Josh Leivo
8. Connor Carrick
7. Timothy Liljegren
6. Connor Brown
5. Kasperi Kapanen
4. Morgan Rielly
3. Mitch Marner
2. William Nylander
1. Auston Matthews


TLN's top 20 (Calder-eligible) prospects
20182017
20. Andrew Nielsen
19. Mac Hollowell
18. Jordan Subban
17. Eemeli Rasanen
16. Jesper Lindgren
15. Filip Kral
14. Yegor Korshkov
13. Calle Rosen
12. Adam Brooks
11. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
10. Trevor Moore
9. Pierre Engvall
8. Joseph Woll
7. Dymytro Timashov
6. Sean Durzi
5. Jeremy Bracco
4. Rasmus Sandin
3. Carl Grundstrom
2. Andreas Johnsson
1. Timothy Liljegren
20. Nikolai Chebykin
19. Vladimir Bobylev/Bobylyov
18. Jesper Lindgren
17. Justin Holl
16. JD Greenway
15. Trevor Moore
14. Miro Aaltonen
13. Calle Rosen
12. Andreas Borgman
11. Dmytro Timashov
10. Eemeli Rasanen
9. Yegor Korshkov
8. Andreas Johnsson
7. Joseph Woll
6. Andrew Nielsen
5. Adam Brooks
4. Jeremy Bracco
3. Carl Grundstrom
2. Travis Dermott
1. Timothy Liljegren
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2018, 04:49:51 PM »
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2018/06/20/checking-in-on-nikolai-chebykin-2016-seventh-round-pick-set-to-attend-second-leafs-development-camp-after-up-and-down-2017-18-season-ends-in-vhl-championship/

MLHS checks in on Nikolai Chebykin, who probably won't show up on this ranking, but who does bring some insider info on how the Development Camp will be run, starting June 25th.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2018, 06:29:14 PM »
OK, I'll play:

1.   Matthews
2.   Marner
3.   Nylander
4.   Rielly
5.   Brown
6.   Dermott
7.   Kapanen
8.   Johnsson
9.   Carrick
10.   Leivo
11.   Liljegren
12.   Borgman
13.   Rosen
14.   Sparks
15.   Aaltonen
16.   Grundstrom
17.   Moore
18.   Brooks
19.   Korshkov
20.   Marchment
21.   Engvall
22.   Bracco
23    Lindgren
24.   Rasanen
25.   Gordeev

We were all talking about this a little bit ago, but this is a pretty iffy bunch after the current NHLers.  Dubas has some work to do here.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2018, 07:08:18 PM »
Im ready to fight about 2, 3.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2018, 08:19:52 PM »
Im ready to fight about 2, 3.

Why are you talking to the number three about picking a fight about 2?
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 08:47:06 PM »
Im ready to fight about 2, 3.

Why are you talking to the number three about picking a fight about 2?

I rank 25 guys, and nerd herman has a problem with a one spot difference in
a 25 guy ranking...seriously.  And on top of that, he's wrong.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2018, 07:20:19 AM »

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2018, 08:04:38 AM »
9.   Carrick
10.   Leivo
11.   Liljegren

This is what confused me.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2018, 09:34:33 AM »
So in the interest of drawing fire from Frank's decision-making process (Leivo and Aaltonen are both 25 now), I will also post my list and enjoy the subsequent roast. I'm more of a projected ceiling (and associated probability), rather than who has played NHL minutes type of ranker. I also just plopped this out without looking at anything other than the eligibility list.

1. Matthews
2. Nylander
3. Marner
4. Rielly
5. Liljegren
6. Kapanen
7. Dermott
8. Johnsson
9. Grundstrom
10. Borgman
11. Carrick
12. Timashov
13. Bracco
14. Rosen
15. Moore
16. Brown
17. Korshkov
18. Engvall
19. Sparks
20. Brooks
21. Dzierkals
22. Marchment
23. Rasanen
24. Nielsen
25. Woll

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2018, 09:51:12 AM »
So in the interest of drawing fire from Frank's decision-making process (Leivo and Aaltonen are both 25 now), I will also post my list and enjoy the subsequent roast. I'm more of a projected ceiling (and associated probability), rather than who has played NHL minutes type of ranker. I also just plopped this out without looking at anything other than the eligibility list.

1. Matthews
2. Nylander
3. Marner
4. Rielly
5. Liljegren
6. Kapanen
7. Dermott
8. Johnsson
9. Grundstrom
10. Borgman
11. Carrick
12. Timashov
13. Bracco
14. Rosen
15. Moore
16. Brown
17. Korshkov
18. Engvall
19. Sparks
20. Brooks
21. Dzierkals
22. Marchment
23. Rasanen
24. Nielsen
25. Woll

Not a bad list.  Brown is way too low for a guy who can conceivably score 20 goals again, but yeah he's probably maxed out at being the third liner he is now.  Trevor Moore is only 1 year younger and still hasn't made the NHL- do you expect him to be better than a third-liner? 

I can understand having Timashov and Bracco ahead of him because they have higher ceilings (ie, 2nd line)- but I don't think their chances of hitting those ceilings are very high.  I personally wouldn't put them ahead of Brown if, as you state, you also include associated probability- but maybe your probability is a bit rosier than mine.

My list is coming in my next post so you can roast me right back.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2018, 09:58:36 AM »
Not a bad list.  Brown is way too low for a guy who can conceivably score 20 goals again, but yeah he's probably maxed out at being the third liner he is now.  Trevor Moore is only 1 year younger and still hasn't made the NHL- do you expect him to be better than a third-liner? 

I can understand having Timashov and Bracco ahead of him because they have higher ceilings (ie, 2nd line)- but I don't think their chances of hitting those ceilings are very high.  I personally wouldn't put them ahead of Brown if, as you state, you also include associated probability- but maybe your probability is a bit rosier than mine.

My list is coming in my next post so you can roast me right back.

Fair points. I have Moore above Brown because have you seen Moore skate? Granted it's only been against AHL so far, but he's essentially left shot Brown with better puckhandling and much better wheels.

I'm pretty high on both Bracco and Timashov. They're perimeter playmakers (which renders their smaller size less of a factor) and can both really hold the puck in traffic and have outstanding on-ice vision, which I put a good chunk of stock in.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2018, 10:06:18 AM »
My list:

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Nylander
4. Rielly
5. Dermott
6. Liljegren
7. Kapanen
8. Grundstrom
9. Johnsson
10. Brown
11. Sparks
12. Borgman
13. Carrick
14. Rosen
15. Engvall
16. Bracco
17. Moore
18. Timashov
19. Brooks
20. Marchment
21. Korshkov
22. Rasanen
23. Nielsen
24. Woll
25. Lindgren

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2018, 10:19:46 AM »
Not a bad list.  Brown is way too low for a guy who can conceivably score 20 goals again, but yeah he's probably maxed out at being the third liner he is now.  Trevor Moore is only 1 year younger and still hasn't made the NHL- do you expect him to be better than a third-liner? 

I can understand having Timashov and Bracco ahead of him because they have higher ceilings (ie, 2nd line)- but I don't think their chances of hitting those ceilings are very high.  I personally wouldn't put them ahead of Brown if, as you state, you also include associated probability- but maybe your probability is a bit rosier than mine.

My list is coming in my next post so you can roast me right back.

Fair points. I have Moore above Brown because have you seen Moore skate? Granted it's only been against AHL so far, but he's essentially left shot Brown with better puckhandling and much better wheels.

I'm pretty high on both Bracco and Timashov. They're perimeter playmakers (which renders their smaller size less of a factor) and can both really hold the puck in traffic and have outstanding on-ice vision, which I put a good chunk of stock in.

I could also point out that Brown has VERY high hockey-IQ and a better shot.  He also put up 61 points in the AHL at a much younger age.  Moore hasn't eclipsed 33.  I think Moore's speed will give him a good shot at being on the 4th line and PK duty, but that is still not near Brown's level.

Timashov is only a few months younger than Kapanen and hasn't put up anywhere near Kapanen's level of production.  And Kapanen probably tops out as a 2nd liner.  Bracco is a full year younger, so he still has time to develop, and has actually put up better numbers than Timashov (ppg).  I put the chances of Timashov playing on a 2nd line somewhere very low- Bracco is more likely but at least one more year away from sniffing the NHL.  Hard for me to put them ahead of Brown (or even in the same tier really).

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2018, 10:20:06 AM »
My list:

1. Matthews
2. Marner
3. Nylander
4. Rielly
5. Dermott
6. Liljegren
7. Kapanen
8. Grundstrom
9. Johnsson
10. Brown
11. Sparks
12. Borgman
13. Carrick
14. Rosen
15. Engvall
16. Bracco
17. Moore
18. Timashov
19. Brooks
20. Marchment
21. Korshkov
22. Rasanen
23. Nielsen
24. Woll
25. Lindgren


I'd nitpick a couple one-for-one swaps (Johnsson over Grundstrom, maybe Liljegren over Dermott, maybe Carrick over Borgman) but other than that solid list.

I'd probably vault Korshkov over the Marlies-5 too and put him right behind Engvall. I don't see anything other than 4th liners in that group and I hope to god Korkshov can turn out better than that.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2018, 10:20:56 AM »
9.   Carrick
10.   Leivo
11.   Liljegren

This is what confused me.

Who asked you?

I just figured you put actual NHL roster players as being better right now than not-NHL players.  You'll note that I put him as the #1 not-NHL player.

Next question, please.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
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