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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1530 on: November 10, 2018, 02:05:08 PM »
The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.
I don't think there's a linear progression of minutes to points. If he scored 61 points playing 16 min/game doesn't automatically mean he'll score more if he plays more minutes. Maybe the more minutes come against tougher competition or maybe he's more fatigued playing more and won't put up higher numbers

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1531 on: November 10, 2018, 02:20:54 PM »
The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.
I don't think there's a linear progression of minutes to points. If he scored 61 points playing 16 min/game doesn't automatically mean he'll score more if he plays more minutes. Maybe the more minutes come against tougher competition or maybe he's more fatigued playing more and won't put up higher numbers

this was a thought i had a while ago too.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1532 on: November 10, 2018, 02:31:27 PM »
The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.
I don't think there's a linear progression of minutes to points. If he scored 61 points playing 16 min/game doesn't automatically mean he'll score more if he plays more minutes. Maybe the more minutes come against tougher competition or maybe he's more fatigued playing more and won't put up higher numbers

this was a thought i had a while ago too.
It would be nice to frickin find out if he was actually playing. Marner has already seemed to take another step this season and is on track for more than a point a game. Nylander's output might have increased too with the new lines and the ability for Babcock to play Matthews line against lesser competition cause of Tavares. Just sign a damn bridge and let's see this team firing on all cylinders

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1533 on: November 10, 2018, 02:44:04 PM »

I've said this before but assuming Nylander was going to be put on a scoring role on basically any team he'd be on, his linemates really aren't exceptional in terms of their effect on his scoring. Even Matthews, at his best, was just over a point per game year.

My guess is he could have been in as good if not a better situation on at least half of the teams in the league.
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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1534 on: November 10, 2018, 03:43:28 PM »
Anyone know how many goals Nylander has scored without Matthews?
Last year when Matthews was out Nylander scored 3 goals in 20 games. I don't know the number when he was on another line tho.

Thanks.  With Matthews hurt I guess there's no urgency to sign him lol

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1535 on: November 10, 2018, 07:03:35 PM »
Welp I dropped Nylander today. 

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1536 on: November 10, 2018, 09:08:09 PM »
Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1537 on: November 10, 2018, 09:16:03 PM »
Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.
We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says

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« Reply #1538 on: November 10, 2018, 09:23:29 PM »
Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.
We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says
Kypreos wasn't the one saying anything about the trade stuff. That was Friedman. There was someone else who said the Leafs weren't offering over 6.5 yet beside Kypreos. Heard that before. Who knows. I guess we'll see in a few weeks.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1539 on: November 10, 2018, 09:30:54 PM »
Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.
We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says
Kypreos wasn't the one saying anything about the trade stuff. That was Friedman. There was someone else who said the Leafs weren't offering over 6.5 yet beside Kypreos. Heard that before. Who knows. I guess we'll see in a few weeks.
Offering Pasta money won't do anything if he's looking for 8.5

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1540 on: November 10, 2018, 09:31:00 PM »
Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.
We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says
Kypreos wasn't the one saying anything about the trade stuff. That was Friedman. There was someone else who said the Leafs weren't offering over 6.5 yet beside Kypreos. Heard that before. Who knows. I guess we'll see in a few weeks.
Offering Pasta money won't do anything if he's looking for 8.5

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1541 on: November 10, 2018, 09:33:35 PM »
Teams have been informed that Dubas is doing due diligence with enough runway to establish contingencies.

But also, Leafs deliberately nudge nudge wink winking the insiders to pressure Gross and Co.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1542 on: November 10, 2018, 09:33:50 PM »
Offering Pasta money won't do anything if he's looking for 8.5

Sure. But if the Leafs are showing little to no interest in moving up from their original offer than the Nylander camp probably isn't going to rush to move down from theirs.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1543 on: November 10, 2018, 10:13:20 PM »
Teams have been informed that Dubas is doing due diligence with enough runway to establish contingencies.

But also, Leafs deliberately nudge nudge wink winking the insiders to pressure Gross and Co.

In all seriousness, at this point all this tango-ing is just for public consumption (or, actually, is being generated by HNIC producers to fill air time with "insider" blather).  Either they come together on numbers or they don't.  It's all in the math right now.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1544 on: November 11, 2018, 09:38:05 AM »
Teams have been informed that Dubas is doing due diligence with enough runway to establish contingencies.

But also, Leafs deliberately nudge nudge wink winking the insiders to pressure Gross and Co.

In all seriousness, at this point all this tango-ing is just for public consumption (or, actually, is being generated by HNIC producers to fill air time with "insider" blather).  Either they come together on numbers or they don't.  It's all in the math right now.
Yeah no kidding. If the Leafs were looking to trade Nylander, him and his agent would have known about it long before HNIC ever said anything to us. I don't see how "public pressure" would change anything in any event, Nylander has been in Sweden and we haven't seen or heard from him in months

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #1544 on: November 11, 2018, 09:38:05 AM »