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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2018, 02:22:32 PM »
"Hey Babs how about some mother f@$%ing powerplay time? None of this BS #2 unit stuff either. You think we can do that? Thanks."

Why are you so coarse?

Matthews is getting PP1 time by default now due to the presumed removal of JvR/Bozak.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2018, 02:32:28 PM »
"Hey Babs how about some mother f@$%ing powerplay time? None of this BS #2 unit stuff either. You think we can do that? Thanks."

Why are you so coarse?

Matthews is getting PP1 time by default now due to the presumed removal of JvR/Bozak.
Key word, presumed lol.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2018, 06:34:28 PM »
Hope they went out and hoisted a few brews at Harolds in Cave Creek, my favourite watering hole.
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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2018, 09:24:21 PM »
Hope they went out and hoisted a few brews at Harolds in Cave Creek, my favourite watering hole.
You think they hugged it out too. "i love you bro!"..."no I love you more bro!"

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2018, 09:40:41 AM »
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2018/05/07/leafs-links-darren-dreger-sources-im-dealing-with-at-the-worlds-are-suggesting-that-its-the-likelihood-that-lou-lamoriello-moves-on/

Dreger isn't my first source for information, but in this one he names his source.

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Dreger on the reports of Mike Babcock meeting with Auston Matthews in Arizona:

When I was connecting with Mike for Dreger Café purposes, we just swapped a little bit of intel. I asked him about what had been reported, about him going to Arizona to meet with Auston Matthews. He didn’t deny that he was going to meet with Matthews and probably had already, but the truth is, it’s family vacation. Him and his wife and daughter are visiting some family friends and they were going to do some sightseeing and do what families do during the offseason. It’s more than coincidental that they chose Arizona but, again, they’re visiting a family friend. He’s making his way over to Denmark in a few days and there is no question he is going to meet with Frederik Andersen. He is doing a bit of a tour, which isn’t abnormal. Coaches do this.

… I would describe it as unusual, yes, just based on the timing of it [two weeks after the season]. What is probably just as unusual is the fact that the information got out. There are coaches around the league that do this year by year.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2018, 11:34:45 AM »
Hope they went out and hoisted a few brews at Harolds in Cave Creek, my favourite watering hole.
You think they hugged it out too. "i love you bro!"..."no I love you more bro!"

As Babcock becomes inebriated, do you think he starts pronouncing good the right way?
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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2018, 12:02:23 PM »
"Hey Babs how about some mother f@$%ing powerplay time? None of this BS #2 unit stuff either. You think we can do that? Thanks."

Why are you so coarse?

Matthews is getting PP1 time by default now due to the presumed removal of JvR/Bozak.
Although coarse, I believe it's all that needs to be said, straight to the point. Like seriously, play your best player on the first PP unit.
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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2018, 12:06:01 PM »
Although coarse, I believe it's all that needs to be said, straight to the point. Like seriously, play your best player on the first PP unit.

I have my issues with Babcock, and minor nitpicks about the PP in general, but it's a little tough to complain toooooo much about the 2nd best powerplay in the league this season.

Also, Matthews did average essentially the same amount of PP time as everyone else, so I wouldn't really say he was PP2. Both units were evenly played. Who goes on first was often decided by who was out last.
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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2018, 02:47:28 PM »
Although coarse, I believe it's all that needs to be said, straight to the point. Like seriously, play your best player on the first PP unit.

I have my issues with Babcock, and minor nitpicks about the PP in general, but it's a little tough to complain toooooo much about the 2nd best powerplay in the league this season.

Also, Matthews did average essentially the same amount of PP time as everyone else, so I wouldn't really say he was PP2. Both units were evenly played. Who goes on first was often decided by who was out last.

Yeah, PP time was more a function of circumstance, given both units were fiyah last season. Once it was pretty clear Matthews' unit was cold, they got more second showings, which have the disadvantage of being taken on the fly (i.e. more difficult to gain zone time). Towards the end of the season, Babcock made a point of sending out the Matthews' unit first to fire them up for the playoffs.

Matthews also played the most minutes for a forward on the team, and it's around in line with some of the stars around the league on deep teams. It's not Barkov/McDavid, which I think is a crazy amount with diminishing returns.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2018, 02:51:35 PM »
Although coarse, I believe it's all that needs to be said, straight to the point. Like seriously, play your best player on the first PP unit.

I have my issues with Babcock, and minor nitpicks about the PP in general, but it's a little tough to complain toooooo much about the 2nd best powerplay in the league this season.

Also, Matthews did average essentially the same amount of PP time as everyone else, so I wouldn't really say he was PP2. Both units were evenly played. Who goes on first was often decided by who was out last.

According to nhl.com, Matthews was 6th on the team in the playoffs, and 9th during the regular season, in PP TOI.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2018, 03:00:59 PM »
According to nhl.com, Matthews was 6th on the team in the playoffs, and 9th during the regular season, in PP TOI.

TOI might not be the way to go since he missed 20 regular season games.

On a per game basis Matthes was 5th in the regular season. 2 seconds behind Bozak, 3 seconds behind Rielly and Marner, and 8 seconds behind JVR. So, virtually even.

In the playoffs the difference was bigger, yes. Matthews was roughly 15-30 seconds behind the guys on the other unit. But the other unit proved to be the much more effective one over the course of the regular season.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2018, 03:02:36 PM »
He also played 20 fewer games than most. PP TOI per game is 4th amongst forwards, with the top three (JvR, Marner, and Bozak) getting 8, 3, and 2 seconds more, respectively.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2018, 03:09:07 PM »


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Both units were generally good, with Marner's actually getting results.

Marner's relied on three things: Marner's creative seam passes, JvR's net front presence, and everyone else's hustle and jam. Funnel the puck to the front either directly from Marner, or off Marner to generate rebounds, high tips, or other generic havoc. Marner's passing is basically automagic, and JvR's net front game is also pretty sustainable.

Matthews' relied on two things: Matthews, and Nylander. And if either weren't feeling the puck, or getting clean shots (from a distance) off and through, it's a no go. Matthews' first injury knocked him down from a great otherwordly producer down to a good one.
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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2018, 03:42:26 PM »
But the other unit proved to be the much more effective one over the course of the regular season.
Just curious. How long was Komarov or Brown  on the Matthews pp? Personel could have a moajor impact on it's effectiveness. We know the Matthews pp unit improved when Johnsson was put on it. Hoping Kapenan gets some time next year.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2018, 04:03:15 PM »
But the other unit proved to be the much more effective one over the course of the regular season.
Just curious. How long was Komarov or Brown  on the Matthews pp? Personel could have a moajor impact on it's effectiveness. We know the Matthews pp unit improved when Johnsson was put on it. Hoping Kapenan gets some time next year.

Pretty sure at least one of Komarov/Brown was with the Matthews unit all season long, and I've posted a bunch about how that wasn't ideal. But swapping that one spot for Kapanen or Johnsson probably wouldn't have automatically made the Matthews unit as good as the Marner one. You can make a legitimate case that Kadri-Bozak-JVR-Rielly-Marner was the best 5-man PP unit in the league this season.

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Re: News Flash - Babcock Meeting with Matthews in Arizona
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2018, 04:03:15 PM »