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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2018, 02:30:40 PM »
Clearly I was just trolling, but seeing as how this is a discussion board, you are more than welcome to bring your own research/opinions to the table.

For those that aren't as familiar with Dermott yet, and don't want to go to the above link for the tasty videos, Jeff Veillette put a lot of work into a pre-season prospect ranking on his own and released it publicly once the season got under way.

Dermott was ranked #3 on his list. The article is worth a perusal, as is the rest of the list. Jeff posted a follow-up when Dermott was recalled, which gives an update on what he's been doing with the Marlies lately.

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« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2018, 05:05:52 PM »
Hard to take your advice when you keep citing people behind a paywall.  Can you just summarize in a couple of sentences?

He's good.

Look, if you want to have a discussion (and this is by golly a discussion board) then make it possible.  Otherwise just ignore my comments.

The article didn't say a whole lot.  It was pretty much a brief puff piece that Dermott is awesome and that he is likely to break out of the "5/6/7" rotation quickly as the front runner for a permanent roster spot.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2018, 01:05:58 PM »
The website-that-shall-not-be-named with an article today about why the Canucks should trade Tanev now. The argument basically boils down to him being good and the Canucks not. His injury history is always a concern but the Leafs are pretty desperate for an upgrade. I think we should be making him our prime target, and going pretty hard on him. Him or Severson, but Tanev seems more acquirable.

Ray Ferraro and Mike Johnson both suggested he could get a 1st rounder (from a playoff team) plus a B level prospect in return. I'd do our 1st rounder (or Kapanen in it's place) + someone like Andrew Nielsen. Throw Carrick in there too for kicks. Him and Rielly played together at the World Championships last season so there's some familiarity there. Makes our defence look something like:

Rielly-Tanev
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott/Borgman-Hainsey
Polak

edit: The Canucks seem like a team that would be higher on Gauthier than most should be, so this could be a chance to get some really good value for him.
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2018, 01:48:32 PM »
The website-that-shall-not-be-named with an article today about why the Canucks should trade Tanev now.

If we can get him for Gauthier, or Carrick, or Leivo, or Rychel, or Bracco, or Nielsen (or 3-4 of them) + a whatever middle pick, you take it and you run. And then you laugh at Chiarelli all the way, but you run like you stole it.

Edit: the Canucks have contract room (45/50) and literally nothing in the minors. A Grabner-esque trade of multiples of our B/C prospects would do them more good than draft picks and they should really consider it.
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2018, 01:55:29 PM »
The website-that-shall-not-be-named with an article today about why the Canucks should trade Tanev now.

If we can get him for Gauthier, or Carrick, or Leivo, or Rychel, or Bracco, or Nielsen (or 3-4 of them) + a whatever middle pick, you take it and you run. And then you laugh at Chiarelli all the way, but you run like you stole it.

Edit: the Canucks have contract room (45/50) and literally nothing in the minors. A Grabner-esque trade of multiples of our B/C prospects would do them more good than draft picks and they should really consider it.

Gotta think they'll need at least one big piece like a 1st rounder or Kapanen, but if there's a GM out there that Lou could fleece it's Benning.

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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2018, 03:52:57 PM »
Gotta think they'll need at least one big piece like a 1st rounder or Kapanen, but if there's a GM out there that Lou could fleece it's Benning.

I think Benning'll ask, sure, but who else would give them so many surefire depth pieces? How often does a late (playoff) 1st rounder yield an NHLer? They can have Bracco, for feeding Boeser. USHL kids!

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2018, 10:23:26 AM »
A less flashy move that I could see the Leafs making is trying to swap Carrick (plus maybe a sweetener) for a righty from another organization that's also not being used very much or fallen out of favour. Petrovic or Pysyk from Florida were the first two guys to come to mind.
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2018, 11:13:37 AM »
A less flashy move that I could see the Leafs making is trying to swap Carrick (plus maybe a sweetener) for a righty from another organization that's also not being used very much or fallen out of favour. Petrovic or Pysyk from Florida were the first two guys to come to mind.

This is what I'm hoping for.

Reilly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Pysyk/Petrovic

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2018, 01:45:15 PM »
This looks good, let's have this. Anyone have an Accelerator 5000:

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Liljegren
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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2018, 02:00:05 PM »
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The Arizona Coyotes are believed to be looking to trade defenceman Jason Demers, sources close to the organization have told TFP.

Demers, 29, has three-years left on his contract. The Coyotes acquired him on Sept. 17, 2017 in exchange for forward Jamie McGinn.

He comes with a $3.9375 million salary cap hit, though his overall cap hit is $4.5 million the Panthers retained $562,500 of his salary as part of trading him to Arizona.

The native of Dorval, Quebec, also owns an eight-team no-trade list and will have a slight say in where he ends up, if traded.

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/jan-2018/demers-could-be-traded-by-deadline

I was pretty big on the Demers train when Florida was looking to trade him. He's been having a very good season so far (50.73% CF on a 46.76% team, while playing tough minutes (alongside OEL). I was going to bring his name up earlier as a trade option but I didn't think the Coyotes would move him. If they are looking at that the Leafs should 100% be inquiring. That's two defencemen now rumoured to be available that would be perfect fits for our blueline (along with Tanev).

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2018, 02:33:36 PM »
Tier the (available) DMan Trade Pool for me, brother Carlton (et al).

Very expensive but wow, which Babsocks should I wear to the parade?: Karlsson, Doughty
Solid but pretty pricey:
SLAM DUNK:
That was easy... maybe too easy:
What the hell, Lou?: Keep Polak
Dale Tallon Special: Gudbranson
Peter Chiarelli Style:

Pool: Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Pysyk, Petrovic, Demers, Tanev, Gudbranson, Severson, Green, De Haan, Murray, Trouba, Myers, Schenn, Franson, Cole, Hickey, Carlson, etc. I don't even know if some of these are even available, but the bold are RHD.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2018, 02:40:07 PM »
Oh man, it's not too late for Luke Schenn to be our future captain!

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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2018, 02:50:20 PM »
Oh man, it's not too late for Luke Schenn to be our future captain!

I'd classify trading for Schenn again as a Dale Tallon Special. Maybe we can trade him for Konecny later. Depreciation and all.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2018, 08:09:06 PM »
Tier the (available) DMan Trade Pool for me, brother Carlton (et al).

Very expensive but wow, which Babsocks should I wear to the parade?: Karlsson, Doughty
Solid but pretty pricey:
SLAM DUNK:
That was easy... maybe too easy:
What the hell, Lou?: Keep Polak
Dale Tallon Special: Gudbranson
Peter Chiarelli Style:

Pool: Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Pysyk, Petrovic, Demers, Tanev, Gudbranson, Severson, Green, De Haan, Murray, Trouba, Myers, Schenn, Franson, Cole, Hickey, Carlson, etc. I don't even know if some of these are even available, but the bold are RHD.

I added and subtracted some and since you put keep Polak in the What the hell, Lou category, I figured the two below that category were on par with it.

Very expensive but wow, which Babsocks should I wear to the parade?: Karlsson, Doughty, Ekman-Larsson (I don't think they're giving him up for peanuts, even cashews)
Solid but pretty pricey: Trouba
SLAM DUNK: Demers, Tanev
That was easy... maybe too easy: Pysyk, Petrovic, Green, Franson, Cole, Johnson
What the hell, Lou?: Keep Polak, Schenn
Dale Tallon Special: Gudbranson
Peter Chiarelli Style: Ceci, Martin

Pool: Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Pysyk, Petrovic, Demers, Tanev, Gudbranson, Severson, Green, De Haan, Murray, Trouba, Myers, Schenn, Franson, Cole, Hickey, Carlson, etc. I don't even know if some of these are even available, but the bold are RHD.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2018, 08:37:56 AM »
I added and subtracted some and since you put keep Polak in the What the hell, Lou category, I figured the two below that category were on par with it.

Very expensive but wow, which Babsocks should I wear to the parade?: Karlsson, Doughty, Ekman-Larsson (I don't think they're giving him up for peanuts, even cashews)
Solid but pretty pricey: Trouba
SLAM DUNK: Demers, Tanev
That was easy... maybe too easy: Pysyk, Petrovic, Green, Franson, Cole, Johnson
What the hell, Lou?: Keep Polak, Schenn
Dale Tallon Special: Gudbranson
Peter Chiarelli Style: Ceci, Martin

Pool: Doughty, Karlsson, Ekman-Larsson, Pysyk, Petrovic, Demers, Tanev, Gudbranson, Severson, Green, De Haan, Murray, Trouba, Myers, Schenn, Franson, Cole, Hickey, Carlson, etc. I don't even know if some of these are even available, but the bold are RHD.

The Dale Tallon Special and the Peter Chiarelli Style categories are similar, but worse than What the hell, Lou? WTHL is like... old schoolish but a considered selection; Dale Tallon Specials are boomerang buys that are as anti-fancy-stats as possible; Peter Chiarelli Style could also be called Character First/Let's Lose.

I think I might slot OEL with Trouba, but under him (handedness preference and playstyle).

By the way, That was easy... maybe too easy is the category for the players that we can get for a song, but have very clear compromises we would need to work around (e.g. Franson, Green).

I think John Carlson would be a sneaky solid UFA get if the Capitals continue to shoot themselves in the foot via Cap spending and manage to not afford him.

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Re: Trade Deadline
« Reply #59 on: January 16, 2018, 08:37:56 AM »