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Keep the #1 pick
« on: November 18, 2011, 12:21:52 AM »
Well this season, seems to be getting away on us fast. I don't really mind, as this team could actually win by losing. It is crystal clear to everyone that Wilson's system, or lack of, is not working. He needs to be replaced in the off season. I would prefer it to be sooner, but he has a pass because of the relation with Burke. This can be a good thing, providing we don't trade our 1st round pick. At least that is what I am hanging my hat on for the rest of the year. This could turn out to be another Seguin type year unfolding. I know i sound all doom and gloom, but I have seen this song and dance too many times. Please Burke don't trade the pick, I think you learned your leason the first time. P.S Gretzky is is going to be with the Leafs after all, that has to be a good thing in my mind too.

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2011, 12:27:45 AM »
Don't fire Wilson, Tank Nay-shun!!!!!1!!1!!
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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2011, 12:34:55 AM »
Meh, I haven't come across any Leaf fans advocating that TO should trade this year's pick...

But aside from the Seguin year debacle, if you look at the TO's post-lockout record, they've finished pretty consistently between 7th-13th. If I had to guess I'd say they'll finish in that range again.

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 12:13:33 PM »
If the deal is right, why not?

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 10:44:49 AM »
FWIW, if the Leafs were better managed the past 5 seasons and handled the Muskoka 5 differently, the Leafs could have had Tavares, Stamkos and probably Séguin in their lineup right now.  Even though Kessel is on fire and will be a top player for a long time, in my mind having the other 3 would have been better for the Leafs.

To build a team properly and have long term success, it should be done through the draft, drafting the best players available.  Then supplementing the team with a couple of veterans that can add leadership to the team and instill in the players what it takes to win. 

So no, don't trade the 1st, but since the Leafs are going to finish near the middle of the pack and the chances of landing a top prospect are slim, the Leafs will probably trade the pick away anyway. 

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 10:59:15 AM »
FWIW, if the Leafs were better managed the past 5 seasons and handled the Muskoka 5 differently, the Leafs could have had Tavares, Stamkos and probably Séguin in their lineup right now.  Even though Kessel is on fire and will be a top player for a long time, in my mind having the other 3 would have been better for the Leafs.

LOL you completely re-wrote history with that paragraph.

First of all, the Leafs' fortunes would have changed entirely from year to year.  There is no telling where they ended up.

As an extreme point, when we made the Kessel trade, simply by your revisionist history here we already would have had Stamkos and Tavares.  Add those 2 to Kessel and that top 3 would have landed nowhere near bottom 2 (in order to draft Seguin).

Anyways, I can keep going on and on, but it's also possible instead of Stamkos and Tavares we walked away with Filatov and Hedman.  Not quite the same eh?

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 11:29:20 AM »
FWIW, if the Leafs were better managed the past 5 seasons and handled the Muskoka 5 differently, the Leafs could have had Tavares, Stamkos and probably Séguin in their lineup right now.

Just so we're clear the first W in your post = 0.
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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 11:38:13 AM »
Anyways, I can keep going on and on, but it's also possible instead of Stamkos and Tavares we walked away with Filatov and Hedman.  Not quite the same eh?

That reminds me... we haven't heard a lot from the We Should Have Drafted Filatov Instead of Schenn Rabble Rabble crowd much lately.

Hope they are ok.

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 11:48:51 AM »
Wait, so, basically, what you're trying to say is, if the Leafs managed to move everyone at the trade deadline in 2008, they would have earned at least 12 less points than the Lightning did in the last month of the season, securing the 1st overall pick and drafting Stamkos? Genius! I mean, it pretty much means they would have had to have lost pretty much every remaining game in regulation, but, still, genius!
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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 11:52:08 AM »
Wait, so, basically, what you're trying to say is, if the Leafs managed to move everyone at the trade deadline in 2008, they would have earned at least 12 less points than the Lightning did in the last month of the season, securing the 1st overall pick and drafting Stamkos? Genius! I mean, it pretty much means they would have had to have lost pretty much every remaining game in regulation, but, still, genius!

Pffft, he forgot to add Carter and Zetterberg to that list.

-  Carter + first for Kaberle.
-  Antropov + ? for Zetterberg (this was real and going around a year or two prior to the lockout).


Stamkos + Carter + Zetterberg + Tavares + Seguin

Stupid management.

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2011, 11:59:06 AM »
Wait, so, basically, what you're trying to say is, if the Leafs managed to move everyone at the trade deadline in 2008, they would have earned at least 12 less points than the Lightning did in the last month of the season, securing the 1st overall pick and drafting Stamkos? Genius! I mean, it pretty much means they would have had to have lost pretty much every remaining game in regulation, but, still, genius!

With this criteria "better" management could have led the Leafs to have every single player who ever played in the NHL outside of, I guess, guys from the '05 draft.
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2011, 11:59:28 AM »
What is real cool about hindsight is the 2 players I wish the Leafs had right now were shown to me by a TMLfans poster to be picked after Leaf picks in the draft and could have been Leafs.   

2006 RW Chris Stewart was picked after Jiri Tlusty and in 2001 LW Ryan Clowe was picked was down in the 6th round.

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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2011, 12:59:40 PM »
Wait, so, basically, what you're trying to say is, if the Leafs managed to move everyone at the trade deadline in 2008, they would have earned at least 12 less points than the Lightning did in the last month of the season, securing the 1st overall pick and drafting Stamkos? Genius! I mean, it pretty much means they would have had to have lost pretty much every remaining game in regulation, but, still, genius!

If I recall, the Leafs didn't accomplish very much by going with the status quo those two seasons and played themselves out of a couple of lottery picks.

And you're a genius if you think the alternative worked out better.



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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2011, 01:03:04 PM »
Wait, so, basically, what you're trying to say is, if the Leafs managed to move everyone at the trade deadline in 2008, they would have earned at least 12 less points than the Lightning did in the last month of the season, securing the 1st overall pick and drafting Stamkos? Genius! I mean, it pretty much means they would have had to have lost pretty much every remaining game in regulation, but, still, genius!

If I recall, the Leafs didn't accomplish very much by going with the status quo those two seasons and played themselves out of a couple of lottery picks.

And you're a genius if you think the alternative worked out better.

You can't go looking back like that and saying the lottery pick would have guaranteed the Leafs anyone. The lottery pick isn't good enough, you need #1 overall to draft guys like Stamkos, Tavares, Hall or Seguin.  Sure Seguin went #2 and that's the guy we might have had instead of Kessel. 

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 01:08:56 PM »
Wait, so, basically, what you're trying to say is, if the Leafs managed to move everyone at the trade deadline in 2008, they would have earned at least 12 less points than the Lightning did in the last month of the season, securing the 1st overall pick and drafting Stamkos? Genius! I mean, it pretty much means they would have had to have lost pretty much every remaining game in regulation, but, still, genius!

If I recall, the Leafs didn't accomplish very much by going with the status quo those two seasons and played themselves out of a couple of lottery picks.

And you're a genius if you think the alternative worked out better.

Sticking with tangible options/comparisons like Raycroft/Rask = bad or NTC = bad or Einstein = genius might be more worthwhile.

Attempting to conjure from coulda woulda shoulda is mostly fruitless, as fun as it may seem.
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Re: Keep the #1 pick
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2011, 01:08:56 PM »