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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #1155 on: April 20, 2018, 11:59:52 AM »

If the Canes weren't being super cheap this would have been a pretty great spot for the Dubas/Keefe duo (assuming Dubas hasn't been promising the GM job here).

Huge missed opportunity for a low brow pun, in my opinion. Is he starting to feel the burn?

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« Reply #1156 on: April 23, 2018, 08:42:21 AM »
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The Oilers are apparently signing a soon-to-be 30 year old KHL goalie because he put up good stats while playing on that SKA super team. Goaltending problems = solved.

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« Reply #1157 on: April 23, 2018, 10:09:31 AM »

Oooooh I wonder who it could be!

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« Reply #1158 on: April 23, 2018, 10:12:35 AM »
The Oilers are apparently signing a soon-to-be 30 year old KHL goalie because he put up good stats while playing on that SKA super team. Goaltending problems = solved.

Not to mention that this goalie struggled in the AHL when he played there, and wasn't particularly good int he KHL playoffs, either.
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« Reply #1159 on: April 23, 2018, 12:39:22 PM »
Chuck Fletcher has not been renewed as GM of the Wild.

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« Reply #1160 on: April 23, 2018, 01:36:57 PM »
Okay fine, I'll do it myself.

After pulling out of his contract with Carolina, Peters is the new head coach of the Calgary Flames. #FeeltheBurn

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« Reply #1161 on: April 23, 2018, 01:42:10 PM »
I wasn't entirely sure where to put this but because it seems to be a semi-enduring topic for good reason the ongoing remarkable Vegas season continues to puzzle to people and as I was thinking about it maybe a semi-obvious thing occurred to me.

I, like everyone else, was wrong about how good Vegas would be. Likewise, I was very much wrong about how long it would take for the Leafs to go from the bottom of the league to respectability.

But does it seem to anyone else that there's maybe a connection there? Along with things like Colorado's crazy bouncing around and Columbus last year...doesn't it kind of seem like crazy one season point gains for teams is actually somewhat regular these days? True, Vegas technically gained infinity points but there seems to be a commonality to all of these things. Namely a bad team goes from getting bad goaltending to good goaltending and gets a few surprising offensive contributions and instant-playoff team. Vegas didn't do it with draft picks and/or UFA signings, they just had the opportunity to add a goalie like Fleury and some legitimate scorers and the effect was the same.

So I don't think I'm saying anything too profound here but for all of the "Holy Shmoley, how did Vegas do it?" it seems to be pretty straightforward in how teams come together these days.
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« Reply #1162 on: April 23, 2018, 02:56:11 PM »
I haven't followed Vegas at all, but is this an aberration? (even in context with what you suggest)

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« Reply #1163 on: April 23, 2018, 03:00:57 PM »
I haven't followed Vegas at all, but is this an aberration? (even in context with what you suggest)

Not in the way that past teams were aberrations (i.e. teams that won with crappy possession numbers but sky-high PDOs). But from a more individual look their two MVPs were Karlsson and Fleury and I wouldn't bet on either repeating the seasons that they've had.

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« Reply #1164 on: April 23, 2018, 03:05:14 PM »
I haven't followed Vegas at all, but is this an aberration? (even in context with what you suggest)

Well, to some extent or another but Colorado did gain something like 50 points this year which seems roughly similar to what I think Vegas was expected to do and what they did.
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« Reply #1165 on: April 23, 2018, 03:14:22 PM »
I haven't followed Vegas at all, but is this an aberration? (even in context with what you suggest)

In terms of success for an expansion team, yes, its an aberration.  However, the expansion draft was MUCH more friendly for Vegas in terms of how much each team in the league could protect compared to previous expansion drafts.  So Vegas was more than likely going to be better than previous expansion teams.

Even with the parameters of the expansion draft being more Vegas friendly, you were still expecting them to end up with mostly second pair d-men and third-line talent up front.  If anything, goaltending would likely be the easiest spot for them to find someone really good since teams could only protect one goalie and some teams had two very good goalies.

With that said... Florida, Columbus, and a few other teams had other motives that helped spur Vegas into an even better team:

1. Columbus wanted to shed Clarkson's contract.  So they offered Wild Bill be left unprotected.  Wild Bill definitely showed us that sometimes your talent doesn't dictate your point totals, but your opportunity does.

2. Florida wanted out of Rielly Smith's contract AND wanted to protect their d-men for getting poached, so they offered Marchessault and Smith as sort of a package.  And, boom, you've got an NHL caliber top line. 

3.  Secondary scoring:  James Neal+ was given up by the Predators who wanted to protect their stable of great D-men.  The rest of the forwards were chosen with speed in mind.  Also, see again about production and opportunity.  Lots of career years in Vegas.

4.  Vegas weakness is still probably their D after the draft.  But if your forwards are fast enough to support you on the backcheck, and you generally drafted (expansion drafted) d-men who can skate you are probably not in as much trouble as you think. 


In terms of what Nik said... I agree.  How quick teams can turn their fortunes around from season to season depends a whole lot on goaltending performance (see: Edmonton and even Arizona first half vs second half) and surprise offensive contributions.  There is not a whole lot separating the bottom from the middle, and really, not even that much separating the middle and the top teams.

For the Leafs, going in to last year we all expected things to improve vastly offensively from the year before, but with so many rookies you weren't sure just how much improvement you'd get.  And #fredex, for all his ups and downs over the past two years, has given good enough goaltending to make the leaky leafs (defensively) a playoff team.

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« Reply #1166 on: April 23, 2018, 03:23:57 PM »
We know PDO makes for fun results and subsequently fun personnel decisions. Coupled with the 3-point system's false parity, I think it makes it pretty easy to hit the playoffs if you have some good 1-goal game luck.

Which, if anything, makes Buffalo so much more funny.

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« Reply #1167 on: April 23, 2018, 03:49:28 PM »
1. Columbus wanted to shed Clarkson's contract.  So they offered Wild Bill be left unprotected.  Wild Bill definitely showed us that sometimes your talent doesn't dictate your point totals, but your opportunity does.

There's actually more to the Columbus thing that makes it look even worse for the Blue Jackets. Dumping Clarkson's contract wasn't really the priority for them in the expansion draft. They had a number of players that they were forced to leave unprotected and as part of their dealings Vegas agreed to NOT select a few of them. They included back-up goalie Joonas Korpisalo (.897 Sv% this season), winger Josh Anderson (30 points in 63 games), and Jack Johnson (is awful, and an UFA this summer). Not included in that list of guys was of course William Karlsson.

So the moves that they made actually steered Vegas towards taking Karlsson.

edit: Of course in Columbus' defence nobody on the planet could have predicted that Karlsson would have the season that he did.
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« Reply #1168 on: April 23, 2018, 10:35:34 PM »
The Oilers are apparently signing a soon-to-be 30 year old KHL goalie because he put up good stats while playing on that SKA super team. Goaltending problems = solved.

Not to mention that this goalie struggled in the AHL when he played there, and wasn't particularly good int he KHL playoffs, either.


Because the Oilers professional scouts have never been wrong about anything before.

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« Reply #1169 on: April 23, 2018, 10:49:04 PM »
Because the Oilers professional scouts have never been wrong about anything before.

They picked McDavid. I rest my case.

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