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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #585 on: January 03, 2018, 02:35:21 PM »

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/21942999/nhl-2018-olympic-teams-look-nhlers-were-playing

A fun article from Wyshynski at ESPN looking at what Olympic rosters might have looked like with NHL players. Those proposed 3rd and 4th Canadian lines would have been a blast to watch.

I'm genuinely bummed we're not going to see that American team too. I mean on paper Canada should still crush them but that's the best group they've maybe ever had. Would have been a good match-up.

I love how Matthews is thrown into top line center for the U.S., and looking at the list I can't disagree. 

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« Reply #586 on: January 03, 2018, 02:54:02 PM »
I still want to see team awesome kids (U24 as of Sept 1, 2018). If it was 24 and under, we'd have Matt Murray, Hampus Lindholm, etc. I'm sure there are some better options at the fringes.

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Monahan - McDavid - MacKinnon
Keller - Matthews - Marner
Galchenyuk - Eichel - Barzal
Larkin - Point - Konecny
Tkachuk, Boeser

Werenski - Jones
Theodore - Ekblad
Hanifin - Pesce
McAvoy

(this is where it gets very dicey because Matt Murray is too old for this requirement)
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Eric Comrie

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Aho - Barkov - Teravainen
Laine - Nylander - Pastrnak
Ehlers - Draisaitl - Rantanen
Hischier - Wennberg - Lindholm
Kapanen, Bratt

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Dahlin - Liljegren
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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #587 on: January 04, 2018, 08:54:46 AM »
What happens when an organization desperately clinging onto decades of past relevance collides with an organization with delusions of mediocrity?


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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #588 on: January 04, 2018, 09:42:30 AM »

I find this a little hard to believe but let's pretend it's true and laugh at both teams anyway.

edit: more detailed quotes from Dreger's radio piece:

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(Dreger:) “And these two clubs came real close to making a pretty big trade not that long ago and just couldn’t get it done, and that trade was Taylor Hall for I think they finally got to a place where Ottawa was willing to consider Cody Ceci – so it would have been Hall for Ceci – but had to be cleared in Ottawa through ownership. And before they could get clearance, Hall got traded to New Jersey for Larsson.”

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1260 host Dustin Nielson took a moment before responding, possibly because he fell off his chair, and wanted a follow-up on this Hall-for-Ceci nugget, suggesting “there would have been more on that deal, right?”

“I don’t think so. I don’t think so.” responded Dreger.

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-senators-and-oilers-worked-on-hall-for-ceci-trade/
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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #589 on: January 04, 2018, 10:16:53 AM »

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/21942999/nhl-2018-olympic-teams-look-nhlers-were-playing

A fun article from Wyshynski at ESPN looking at what Olympic rosters might have looked like with NHL players. Those proposed 3rd and 4th Canadian lines would have been a blast to watch.

No Nylander on Sweden, even in the "just-missed" category?

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« Reply #590 on: January 04, 2018, 10:45:28 AM »

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/21942999/nhl-2018-olympic-teams-look-nhlers-were-playing

A fun article from Wyshynski at ESPN looking at what Olympic rosters might have looked like with NHL players. Those proposed 3rd and 4th Canadian lines would have been a blast to watch.

No Nylander on Sweden, even in the "just-missed" category?

That USA squad looks pretty scary.

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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #591 on: January 04, 2018, 10:51:16 AM »

I find this a little hard to believe but let's pretend it's true and laugh at both teams anyway.

edit: more detailed quotes from Dreger's radio piece:

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(Dreger:) “And these two clubs came real close to making a pretty big trade not that long ago and just couldn’t get it done, and that trade was Taylor Hall for I think they finally got to a place where Ottawa was willing to consider Cody Ceci – so it would have been Hall for Ceci – but had to be cleared in Ottawa through ownership. And before they could get clearance, Hall got traded to New Jersey for Larsson.”

...

1260 host Dustin Nielson took a moment before responding, possibly because he fell off his chair, and wanted a follow-up on this Hall-for-Ceci nugget, suggesting “there would have been more on that deal, right?”

“I don’t think so. I don’t think so.” responded Dreger.

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-senators-and-oilers-worked-on-hall-for-ceci-trade/

More and more when I hear Dreger he sounds like a complete windbag with his rumors.  Nothing he ever reports comes remotely true.  I know people used to joke that he got his "inside info" from Nonis who is somehow related to Dreger (2nd cousin?), and now that Nonis isn't a GM anywhere he's short of actual information.  I'm starting to believe there's a kernel of truth there.

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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #592 on: January 04, 2018, 11:42:09 AM »
More and more when I hear Dreger he sounds like a complete windbag with his rumors.  Nothing he ever reports comes remotely true.  I know people used to joke that he got his "inside info" from Nonis who is somehow related to Dreger (2nd cousin?), and now that Nonis isn't a GM anywhere he's short of actual information.  I'm starting to believe there's a kernel of truth there.

Dreger's very careful to make sure he usually phrases things as being discussed/were discussed/etc. - things we can't verify the accuracy of in any meaningful way (GMs tend to deny everything that gets reported this way). It's very rare that he actually says something is going down without it actually going down. So, I'm inclined to believe that there's some sort of fire generating this smoke. Maybe not the 1-for-1 part, but Ceci being the main piece of what would have headed to Edmonton in the deal - which might have made for an even more hilarious trade for the Oilers. As uninspiring a piece as Larsson is, I'd still rather have him over Ceci.
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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #593 on: January 04, 2018, 12:01:59 PM »
What possessed Chiarelli to believe that Hall was only worth a right-handed, minimally offensive, 2nd pairing defenceman?  Talk about getting hosed.

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« Reply #594 on: January 04, 2018, 12:12:14 PM »
What possessed Chiarelli to believe that Hall was only worth a right-handed, minimally offensive, 2nd pairing defenceman?  Talk about getting hosed.

He had a blip in his shooting percentage (plus injury-shortened season), and wasn't his own pick. It's all about culture with Chiarelli. See also: Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton, Eberle.

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« Reply #595 on: January 04, 2018, 12:18:14 PM »
What possessed Chiarelli to believe that Hall was only worth a right-handed, minimally offensive, 2nd pairing defenceman?  Talk about getting hosed.

I feel like this is a subject that's been chewed to death but the thing that always gets minimized when talking about that deal is the likelihood that Edmonton would be on a pretty high percentage of NTC lists and that Edmonton wanted someone young with a lot of team control. So it was a limited market and they didn't want someone who would just walk on them.

Trading Hall may have been a bad decision, and trading him at that moment was probably selling low, but I still don't necessarily buy that working with the priorities they had they could have done much better.
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« Reply #596 on: January 04, 2018, 12:21:40 PM »
What possessed Chiarelli to believe that Hall was only worth a right-handed, minimally offensive, 2nd pairing defenceman?  Talk about getting hosed.

He had a blip in his shooting percentage (plus injury-shortened season), and wasn't his own pick. It's all about culture with Chiarelli. See also: Kessel, Seguin, Hamilton, Eberle.

There was also the condition that the player in return have a long term contract at a lower-than-proper cap hit, because Edmonton needed good defensemen that were relatively inexpensive due to McJesus' upcoming contract and others.

They also wanted a RHD, if I remember correctly.

Basically, they knew they were going to overpay for a guy, but that guy is what they needed.

Not a great move, though, in retrospect...but they did need the capspace.

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« Reply #597 on: January 04, 2018, 12:29:33 PM »
Not a great move, though, in retrospect...but they did need the capspace.

Well, they only needed the cap space because of the decision to sign Lucic so that seems like sort of a self-created problem.

Basically the equation in their head was Lucic + whatever defenseman they could get for Hall would be better than Hall + a UFA defenseman.
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« Reply #598 on: January 04, 2018, 12:38:56 PM »
Not a great move, though, in retrospect...but they did need the capspace.

Well, they only needed the cap space because of the decision to sign Lucic so that seems like sort of a self-created problem.

Basically the equation in their head was Lucic + whatever defenseman they could get for Hall would be better than Hall + a UFA defenseman.

That's fair.  But they also had a problem attracting UFA defensemen.

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« Reply #599 on: January 04, 2018, 12:45:48 PM »
That's fair.  But they also had a problem attracting UFA defensemen.

Well, yes. I figured that implicit in that sentence was that it was a UFA defenseman that the Oilers could sign.
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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
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