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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2017, 03:40:05 PM »
Nice to see Kadri racking them up, hitting some milestones, 100 goals as a Leaf, 20 goals tying record for season, with still almost half a season left to play. He should top 30.
What has been remarkable this year is the consistent scoring from three lines deep.
Hyman 7, Matthews 22, Brown 11 = 40 goals
JVR 16, Bozak 12, Marner 11 = 39 goals
Leo 8, Kadri 20, Nylander 9 = 37 goals
The LA Kings used to have a Triple Crown Line Simmer, Dionne, Taylor.
Leafs have their Triple Crown Lines Go Leafs!





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« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2017, 03:42:37 PM »
Just a PS...on the lines. I think Martin and Sosh seem to have better chemistry with Freddie The Goat than with Smith, hard to seem him getting back in the lineup barring injury. They seem to do a much better job of hemming the opposition in.

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« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2017, 04:48:08 PM »
Hyman 7, Matthews 22, Brown 11 = 40 goals
JVR 16, Bozak 12, Marner 11 = 39 goals
Leo 8, Kadri 20, Nylander 9 = 37 goals

That's a pretty remarkable spread, if they can remain close to it they are going to run over a bunch of teams in the second half.

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« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2017, 05:38:35 PM »
Hyman 7, Matthews 22, Brown 11 = 40 goals
JVR 16, Bozak 12, Marner 11 = 39 goals
Leo 8, Kadri 20, Nylander 9 = 37 goals

That's a pretty remarkable spread, if they can remain close to it they are going to run over a bunch of teams in the second half.
It's a little misleading, though. If you limit the comparison to even strength goals when those are actually the lines on the ice (usually) you get:

Matthews' line: 33
Bozak's line: 30
Kadri's line: 19

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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2017, 05:49:29 PM »
It's a little misleading, though. If you limit the comparison to even strength goals when those are actually the lines on the ice (usually) you get:

Matthews' line: 33
Bozak's line: 30
Kadri's line: 19

It's only misleading if you read the point of it as "these three lines are equally productive" as opposed to "The Leafs have talented offensive players on all three lines".
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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2017, 06:10:52 PM »
It's a little misleading, though. If you limit the comparison to even strength goals when those are actually the lines on the ice (usually) you get:

Matthews' line: 33
Bozak's line: 30
Kadri's line: 19

It's only misleading if you read the point of it as "these three lines are equally productive" as opposed to "The Leafs have talented offensive players on all three lines".

Yes, I was mentally including the original post's "consistent scoring from three lines deep" comment and (perhaps implied) supposition that there was balanced scoring from all three. The Matthews and Bozak lines are pretty close but Kadri's lags behind them by a fair margin (although for a completely understandable reason so I'm not in any way complaining about it). I'd have to go check it but I also suspect that at least a few of Nylander's ES goals were scored when he was on Matthews' wing whereas I can't recall any of Brown's being when he was with Kadri (perhaps a couple?). I do agree with the notion that all three lines are a threat to score at most times so it definitely presents something of a challenge to the opposition to hold them all at bay.

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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2017, 11:15:05 PM »
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2017, 11:20:52 PM »
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

I'm sure you'll get a lot of opposition to that suggestion, but it's not the worst idea I've heard.
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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2017, 11:37:34 PM »
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

I don't have a problem with the concept, even though I think that creates a hole the Leafs don't have a lot of internal options to try and fill it with, but I don't think he's worth that much even as well as he's playing.
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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2017, 10:42:18 AM »
Maybe Kadri's the guy you trade for a top pairing defenseman?--sell high.  He could bring a good return.

Can't imagine at the moment what the trade would be but you never know.

AS Nik says, it creates a hole that the Leafs may not be able to fill internally (Nylander may be able to in the future, but that's still an unknown), and the calibre of defenceman he's likely to return isn't probably isn't going to one that makes the team better than keeping Kadri would - and could quite easily be a downgrade. If Kadri's contract was going to expire in the next season or two, that would be one thing, but he's signed for another 5 years at a very reasonable rate even if he only produces around his career norms while maintaining his improved defensive play the rest of the way.
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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2017, 11:07:28 AM »
I thought we were over trading our first round draft picks, especially when Kadri is starting to develop into the kind of player we all thought he could be.  He is a hound for the bone even though he is lobbying to be called Katman.
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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2017, 11:56:39 AM »
Kadri's not a first round draft pick. He's a real live hockey player.


Nonetheless, I would not even entertain a trade for Kadri unless it was an absolute steal for the Leafs, which is unlikely to happen. Even in the case of an upgrade on the player, it's hard to argue about the value he brings for his cap hit.

I think of someone like Ryan O'Reilly. Comparable career scoring rate (almost identical) but otherwise an all-round upgrade (has scored a better rate over the previous three years; about the same pace this year). He'd be a great addition, but is he worth $3M per year more than Kadri?

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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2017, 02:40:17 PM »
Kadri's not a first round draft pick. He's a real live hockey player.


Nonetheless, I would not even entertain a trade for Kadri unless it was an absolute steal for the Leafs, which is unlikely to happen. Even in the case of an upgrade on the player, it's hard to argue about the value he brings for his cap hit.

I think of someone like Ryan O'Reilly. Comparable career scoring rate (almost identical) but otherwise an all-round upgrade (has scored a better rate over the previous three years; about the same pace this year). He'd be a great addition, but is he worth $3M per year more than Kadri?

Everything is relative to your cap situation.  Is Shattenkirk worth 11 million per season for the next two years?  No.  But for the Leafs, flush with cap space starting next year, its a great fit.  (Especially if he can be convinced to take a smaller hit on a long term deal afterwards to stay with what should be a contender for a long period of time)

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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2017, 03:20:39 PM »
Is Shattenkirk worth 11 million per season for the next two years?  No.  But for the Leafs, flush with cap space starting next year, its a great fit.

No, even for the Leafs, it's a bad fit. Regardless of your cap situation, you need to make the most efficient use of the dollars you're spending. A $3M overpayment on any player is a bad fit for everyone.
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Re: Nazem Kadri
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2017, 04:55:38 PM »
I thought we were over trading our first round draft picks, especially when Kadri is starting to develop into the kind of player we all thought he could be.  He is a hound for the bone even though he is lobbying to be called Katman.
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