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Re: The Defensive Logjam
« Reply #255 on: September 21, 2017, 02:39:10 PM »
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Womp womp

You could say the same thing about Brown, he's yet to be on a line that we expect will make up one of the team top-4 forward lines (has been with Sosh/Leivo-Aaltonen). So I wouldn't reach much into that yet. Also he was originally paired with Borgman, and only switched to LoVerde once Zaitsev had to miss practice because of his kid we're assuming.

I'm still reasonable comfortable saying that he's a lock for at least a roster spot, and he has the inside track for the 3LD spot because of his penalty killing abilities. Especially now that it looks like Polak isn't a consideration.

If anything I think that Carrick is more at risk of losing a spot in the top-6 to one of the Swedes than Marincin is, handedness be damned.
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« Reply #256 on: September 21, 2017, 08:22:54 PM »
I’m inclined to agree, re: Marincin. The ride down to Ricoh is free for the others, so they’d have to really blow the doors off to warrant a spot over the cheapo waiver-eligible options.

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« Reply #257 on: September 21, 2017, 09:30:23 PM »
Valiev doesn't get seem to get any mention for those spots, but I really liked what I saw from him against the Sens. He has good size and reach, smooth skater with mobility, seems very poised with the puck and seems to make smart plays.  I hope he is given a fair chance as well since I see a lot more upside in his game over what Marincin has shown me for a couple seasons.

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« Reply #258 on: September 22, 2017, 04:00:09 AM »
(via theathletic.com)

On Marincin:



Babcock not too favourable:

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“He’s never really grabbed hold of it yet,” the coach said. “And so what happens in the league if you don’t eventually grab hold of it, you’re not in the league anymore.”

Obviously Babcock has so far been impressed with Travis Dermott, as quoted in an earlier pre-season tread.  Why?

Dermott was one of only two players Babcock singled out as having played well after the first game. (He finished at 67 per cent possession, albeit with favourable zone starts.)

He's got a real nice strength and determination about him, a blend of speed, skill and power.
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Re: The Defensive Logjam
« Reply #259 on: September 28, 2017, 02:21:20 PM »
https://theathletic.com/110224/2017/09/28/wheeler-breaking-down-the-battle-for-the-maple-leafs-third-defence-pairing/

Wheeler breaks down the 4 players vying to round out our defense to open the season.

I too have noticed Carrick's return to form of dynamic offensive defense, compared to last season's play-it-safeism. He's starting to drive down to the circles to take his shots again with some heads up puck handling.

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I think Marincin is still the perfect 7D option. You won't be miffed to sit him, and you will also like the presence he has on the PK. His shot is also very underrated (because he's not in position to use it as much as back in junior).

Rosén is my pick for the 6th to play with Carrick. Though he is not the most skilled with the puck, he has the speed and elusiveness to carry it to safety, no panic to his play, and (when it's on target) a heck of a shot.

Borgman and Dermott, I really like and will look forward to seeing them wreck the AHL with Liljegren. They're both tanks, but one goes through obstacles, while the other can dance around trouble. Like Carrick, these two are also crazy strong. Dermott in particular also has unusually high stamina. MLHS posted this Dermott shift from last night that showcases his strength, vision, and puck movement that will only get better with top minutes.
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« Reply #260 on: September 28, 2017, 02:23:48 PM »
I thought it was a great piece of writing from Scott, but it really bothered me that he didn't say who he would choose at number 6.
 
It felt like a weird cop-out.


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« Reply #261 on: September 28, 2017, 03:53:47 PM »
I thought it was a great piece of writing from Scott, but it really bothered me that he didn't say who he would choose at number 6.
 
It felt like a weird cop-out.

Completely agree.  I was expecting him to choose one guy as the leader in his opinion.  He did say Dermott was probably leading until last night's game but didn't choose someone who took the lead (or if Dermott is still ahead)

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« Reply #263 on: February 01, 2018, 11:20:16 AM »
Some of the twigs seem to be developing into mid-sized branches.  With careful forestry, they may become merchantable timber some day.

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« Reply #264 on: February 01, 2018, 12:20:12 PM »
"There will growth in the Spring"

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« Reply #265 on: February 01, 2018, 01:08:47 PM »
Side benefit of losing Zaitsev for so long (other than gaining so much appreciation for Polak's trade value), is that he got to sit and just watch Leaf games and how opponents played, and how our system worked. We'll see if the microstats shake out with more games, but Zaitsev looked a lot more assertive with his gaps against the Islanders.

His main issue is really trying too hard to not make mistakes, and thus allowing too many entries and turning over the puck too easily on default chip outs.

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« Reply #266 on: February 01, 2018, 01:15:09 PM »
Yeah, Zaitsev looked fleet of foot last night, which was surprising given the injury he had and it being his first game back.

On the other side of the ledger, he filled the Polak icing the puck quota too, I counted 3 for sure and maybe 4.

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Re: The Defensive Logjam
« Reply #267 on: February 02, 2018, 11:16:27 AM »
https://theathletic.com/229159/2018/02/02/travis-dermott-and-justin-holl-arent-making-life-easy-on-mike-babcock/

Rielly - Hainsey
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Dermott - Who?

If it were up to me, Borgman and Carrick. Trade Polak to give him a shot at playing time somewhere else after boosting his value half the season from negative to something (St. Louis? Calgary?). Bring Holl back up when the roster expands after the deadline for the grind he put in all these years to reward him and light a fire in the Marlies.

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« Reply #268 on: February 02, 2018, 11:30:46 AM »
Obviously there's some recency bias coming into play here, but I'd try to keep Dermott-Holl up and together for as long as we can. Launch Polak into the sun somewhere and send Borgman down to the Marlies for awhile just to give Holl a longer audition period. Again, I can't stress how much Marlies folks have gushed about this guy for 2 years now. It's entirely possible that his play is for real (ok not goal-per-game for real, but still). If we could run a roster of 13 F-8 D by trading both Martin and Leivo then I'd keep Borgman up as well.

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« Reply #269 on: February 02, 2018, 11:42:43 AM »
What CtB said.

I'm still of the mind that the Leafs should be trying to give as many NHL-ready Marlies auditions as they can. I'm sure they have their own ways of evaluating internally, and there's a development cost to the yo-yoing that's (I guess) on to benefit my curiosity... but they should see who can do what in different game situations as they head into a pretty crucial off-season as far as surrounding the core talent goes.

So, yeah, Borgman down, Holl and Carrick rotate in and out. Ship Polak to STL. Heck, send JvR and Komarov with him and see what you've got in Johnsson and Soshnikov, bank the picks and prospects.

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