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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2011, 08:43:38 PM »
I know he's old but would John Madden float any boats? Good checking center, decent on faceoffs.

I'd like it a lot. I was a big advocate of signing him before he went to Minnesota. As you say he brings those things plus some veteran leadership that I think the team could really use. From Toronto as well(although that may hold less pull in this case for him as he had it rough growing up).

I think when it got brought up earlier someone said it seemed as though he was in a Minnesota or bust mindset.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2011, 08:43:49 PM »
I know he's old but would John Madden float any boats? Good checking center, decent on faceoffs.

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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2011, 08:50:59 PM »
I know he's old but would John Madden float any boats? Good checking center, decent on faceoffs.

I'd like it a lot. I was a big advocate of signing him before he went to Minnesota. As you say he brings those things plus some veteran leadership that I think the team could really use. From Toronto as well(although that may hold less pull in this case for him as he had it rough growing up).

I think when it got brought up earlier someone said it seemed as though he was in a Minnesota or bust mindset.

I'd like it too but I get the feeling that two things could be in the way, one you mentioned, that he might be in a Minny way of mind and that Toronto seems bound and determined to keep with the youth movement but I think he'd be a great fit on a one year deal.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2011, 06:34:44 AM »
Zigomanis interview with Watters
http://emedia.640toronto.com/Podcasts/1856/mike_zigomanis_intro_9-Feb-2011.mp3

As far as two-way deals go, Zigomanis' $300k AHL salary is tied for second highest in the AHL.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2011, 06:37:13 AM »
Boyce wants to stick with Leafs
http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/sports/article/1423178
He said he's confident he'll know where he stands for the 2011-12 NHL season by Friday.

"We're still looking at offers right now," said Boyce in a phone interview from his home in Prince Edward Island yesterday. "Obviously I'd like to be back in Toronto, but we want to make sure it's the best fit."

The Leafs have been active in free agency so far, adding six forwards in the past 10 days, which could put a roster spot for Boyce in jeopardy.

But he's hopeful the two sides will reach an agreement.

"It's important for me, I've made a home there," said Boyce, who played four seasons of junior hockey for the OHL's St. Mike's Majors in Toronto. "They're a great organization with a lot of great people."

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To prepare for training camp, he's been working out every morning at 9 a.m. alongside hulking Leafs defenceman Dion Phaneuf, whose family vacations on the Island every summer.

"We are pushing each other really hard," said Boyce, 27. "I couldn't be happier about it. For three hours, it's biking and sprints...a really a good mix of stuff."

In 46 games with Toronto's NHL squad last season, Boyce, who grew up on P.E.I., had 13 points (five goals, eight assists) and carried a plus-8 rating.

He said his extended stay with the big club earned him the trust of head coach Ron Wilson, who would put him on the ice in crucial moments.

"My opportunity came because of a fluke," he said. "A guy was in and his wife had a baby, so they needed a player and I was that guy. The right spot at the right time. Eventually, Wilson entrusted me with valuable minutes at critical times in games."

He's hoping that trust will translate into a roster spot come training camp, but acknowledged that playing the waiting game has worn on his nerves.

While all the big-name free agents usually sign within the first week or two, the "little guys," as he puts it, often have to wait until the bitter end to know their fate.

"It's weird to have you life sort of hanging in the balance," he said. "(As a player) you only have so many summers where you don't have a contract going into next season. It's different, and working out, not being sure where you'll play next year was sort of a distraction, but now we're getting a handle on everything and have a better outlook about how things will shape up."


Looks like we'll know his disposition by the end of the week.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2011, 06:54:18 AM »
Boyce wants to stick with Leafs
http://dailygleaner.canadaeast.com/sports/article/1423178
He said he's confident he'll know where he stands for the 2011-12 NHL season by Friday.

"We're still looking at offers right now," said Boyce in a phone interview from his home in Prince Edward Island yesterday. "Obviously I'd like to be back in Toronto, but we want to make sure it's the best fit."

The Leafs have been active in free agency so far, adding six forwards in the past 10 days, which could put a roster spot for Boyce in jeopardy.

But he's hopeful the two sides will reach an agreement.

"It's important for me, I've made a home there," said Boyce, who played four seasons of junior hockey for the OHL's St. Mike's Majors in Toronto. "They're a great organization with a lot of great people."

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To prepare for training camp, he's been working out every morning at 9 a.m. alongside hulking Leafs defenceman Dion Phaneuf, whose family vacations on the Island every summer.

"We are pushing each other really hard," said Boyce, 27. "I couldn't be happier about it. For three hours, it's biking and sprints...a really a good mix of stuff."

In 46 games with Toronto's NHL squad last season, Boyce, who grew up on P.E.I., had 13 points (five goals, eight assists) and carried a plus-8 rating.

He said his extended stay with the big club earned him the trust of head coach Ron Wilson, who would put him on the ice in crucial moments.

"My opportunity came because of a fluke," he said. "A guy was in and his wife had a baby, so they needed a player and I was that guy. The right spot at the right time. Eventually, Wilson entrusted me with valuable minutes at critical times in games."

He's hoping that trust will translate into a roster spot come training camp, but acknowledged that playing the waiting game has worn on his nerves.

While all the big-name free agents usually sign within the first week or two, the "little guys," as he puts it, often have to wait until the bitter end to know their fate.

"It's weird to have you life sort of hanging in the balance," he said. "(As a player) you only have so many summers where you don't have a contract going into next season. It's different, and working out, not being sure where you'll play next year was sort of a distraction, but now we're getting a handle on everything and have a better outlook about how things will shape up."


Looks like we'll know his disposition by the end of the week.

I like Boyce and hope they decide to keep him. He works hard and deserves at least a two-way contract. Even if he eventually has to go back to the Marlies, I think he is a good call up guy that keeps himself on the right side of the plus minus stat.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2011, 06:54:49 AM »
Leafs give Zigomanis another shot
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/12/leafs-give-zigomanis-another-shot
Mike Zigomanis doesn’t want to hear anything close to a suggestion that he will be competing for a spot as the Maple Leafs’ fourth-line centre when training camp opens in September.

“Everybody will be fighting for a spot,” Zigomanis said on Tuesday, “and you never want to say it will be on the fourth line or as the extra forward.”

The Leafs re-signed Zigomanis, a 30-year-old Toronto native, to a one-year, two-way pact. Zigomanis will be paid $650,000 US when he is in a Leafs sweater and $300,000 US if he is with the Toronto Marlies. Either way, Zigomanis gets a bump in salary after leading the Marlies last season with 47 points (14 goals and 33 assists) in 64 games. In 2010-11, Zigomanis earned $500,000 when he was with the Leafs and $250,000 as a member of the Marlies.

Zigomanis cracked the Leafs roster in training camp last fall and played in eight games, registering one assist, before he was sent to the Marlies. Despite his talents as one of the top faceoff men in the organization, and a solid penalty killer to boot, Zigomanis didn’t play for the Leafs after Oct. 28.

“It was great for me to make it out of camp, because no one had pencilled me in,” Zigomanis said. “Faceoffs are such a big part of the game now and I’ve done a lot of penalty killing, so hopefully I can bring those two things to the table (in camp).”

The uphill climb for Zigomanis will have challenges. One guy standing in his way is Philippe Dupuis, who was signed by the Leafs to a two-way deal worth $650,000 after recording 17 points in 74 games for the Colorado Avalanche in 2010-11. Joe Colborne also will be trying to get a hold on a roster spot.

Meanwhile, all appears to be quiet on the Luke Schenn front, as general manager Brian Burke and his right-hand man, David Nonis, are on vacation this week. Burke has said he is not in a rush to re-sign Schenn, a restricted free agent.


So Boyce might not finalized until next week if he's signing with the Leafs ...

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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2011, 07:07:37 AM »
I like Boyce and hope they decide to keep him. He works hard and deserves at least a two-way contract. Even if he eventually has to go back to the Marlies, I think he is a good call up guy that keeps himself on the right side of the plus minus stat.

I don't mind him either.

I was hoping they would beat the bushes of the AHL trying to find a better option though when the UFA market started to look barren - just to try to improve themselves - nothing against Boyce. Maybe they have.

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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2011, 07:54:07 AM »
I like Boyce and hope they decide to keep him. He works hard and deserves at least a two-way contract. Even if he eventually has to go back to the Marlies, I think he is a good call up guy that keeps himself on the right side of the plus minus stat.

I don't mind him either.

I was hoping they would beat the bushes of the AHL trying to find a better option though when the UFA market started to look barren - just to try to improve themselves - nothing against Boyce. Maybe they have.

I think they have. Like you, I've been checking both the NHL and AHL, trying to find options and there isn't really that many, especially ones that are better than Zigomanis and Boyce for that matter. The pickins' are slim. I was hoping that Burke will opt for a trade of a defenseman to try and pluck a better "everyday" 4th liner from another team desperate to land some help on the back end of things. Sometimes teams are in a predicament that forces them to give up a good player to land a better situation for a place of weakness. Even that might be tough. I was really hoping we could land Talbot this summer and was pretty disappointed when he signed with Philly.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2011, 08:26:35 AM »
I like Boyce and hope they decide to keep him. He works hard and deserves at least a two-way contract. Even if he eventually has to go back to the Marlies, I think he is a good call up guy that keeps himself on the right side of the plus minus stat.

I don't mind him either.

I was hoping they would beat the bushes of the AHL trying to find a better option though when the UFA market started to look barren - just to try to improve themselves - nothing against Boyce. Maybe they have.

I think they have. Like you, I've been checking both the NHL and AHL, trying to find options and there isn't really that many, especially ones that are better than Zigomanis and Boyce for that matter. The pickins' are slim. I was hoping that Burke will opt for a trade of a defenseman to try and pluck a better "everyday" 4th liner from another team desperate to land some help on the back end of things. Sometimes teams are in a predicament that forces them to give up a good player to land a better situation for a place of weakness. Even that might be tough. I was really hoping we could land Talbot this summer and was pretty disappointed when he signed with Philly.

I kicked AHL and Europe tires for centers last season. Haven't had time this year. But when Hanson has a shot to crack the Caps and is a "quality option" (my words) for them, I have a feeling I haven't missed much in the AHL available center talent pool. That's not intended as a shot at Hanson - I wish him the best and hope he makes it. And it's not a case where Leonsis is getting cheap - he's spending plenty to give them a chance. Cap constraints do factor into it. I just think the NHL has been short on good center talent for a few years and this is another sign of it.

Like you, and as I've posted before, I think they'll trade to get a good sized 4th line center who can win faceoffs.

If they do and sign Boyce, Zigomanis, Colborne, Boyce & Dupuis give them pretty good depth with the Marlies (or as 13th-14th forwards on their NHL roster) and would help the Marlies be competitive.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2011, 01:12:05 PM »
I like Boyce and hope they decide to keep him. He works hard and deserves at least a two-way contract. Even if he eventually has to go back to the Marlies, I think he is a good call up guy that keeps himself on the right side of the plus minus stat.

I don't mind him either.

I was hoping they would beat the bushes of the AHL trying to find a better option though when the UFA market started to look barren - just to try to improve themselves - nothing against Boyce. Maybe they have.

It could be luck, but a guy who is a +8 on a team that is overall a massively minus team seems like a great guy to put on your 4th line if he'll take a 600K salary.  The fact that he chipped in 13 points in 46 games is a bonus.  I don't know how to do better than that really.  I'd be quite happy with a fourth line of Boyce - X - Brown.

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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2011, 01:18:04 PM »

Man, with the potential exception of Armstrong I don't know that a single bottom six forward that the Leafs are bringing back did a single thing to distinguish themselves as NHL players last year. What a bunch of stiffs.
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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2011, 01:36:22 PM »

Man, with the potential exception of Armstrong I don't know that a single bottom six forward that the Leafs are bringing back did a single thing to distinguish themselves as NHL players last year. What a bunch of stiffs.

For the most part I agree but if we're gouping Kadri in to the botton six, I think it might be premature to brand him a "stiff." - I also didn't mind what I saw from Brown.

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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2011, 01:37:08 PM »

Man, with the potential exception of Armstrong I don't know that a single bottom six forward that the Leafs are bringing back did a single thing to distinguish themselves as NHL players last year. What a bunch of stiffs.

I like Brown's mustache, and hustle. Bozak has some potential...

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Re: 4th Line Center
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2011, 01:49:15 PM »

Man, with the potential exception of Armstrong I don't know that a single bottom six forward that the Leafs are bringing back did a single thing to distinguish themselves as NHL players last year. What a bunch of stiffs.

He'd probably have quite a time trying to stay on a Cup contender roster and his injuries didn't help his cause but I'm going to speak up for Mike Brown.

He provided a physical element for a somewhat soft set of forwards. He hit like crazy (over 2 per game with 10 mins/game ice time is a heck of a clip). He was respectable on the PK and blocking shots (which cost him some games lost to injury). He was a willing middleweight when needed. And overall, for a guy who doesn't score much, he wasn't much of a liability with his +1. Lots of hustle and heart.

I don't mind Mike returning. I think he earned it.

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