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Offline Frank E

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« Reply #405 on: June 27, 2017, 03:56:50 PM »
So Grilli's out...

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« Reply #406 on: June 27, 2017, 11:27:23 PM »
So Grilli's out...

Yeah just didn't have the results like he did last season so it was only a matter of time.
Might be the end of the line at age 40, was currently the oldest player in the A.L.
I did admire his passion though, always got jacked up after a big strikeout and everyone else fed off of it.

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« Reply #407 on: June 28, 2017, 03:42:06 PM »
Saunder's signs a minor league deal with the Jays. All Star to the minors in a hurry. Let's hope Toronto is the right fit for him and her returns to All Star form.
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« Reply #408 on: June 30, 2017, 12:32:11 AM »
Ex-Blue Jay Munenori Kawasaki (remember him?) salutes Canada, Toronto, and the Blue Jays and a Fukuoka Canada Day party...

In an awesome Canada-themed video interview on Fukuoka Now earlier this week, Kawasaki reminisced about his time in Toronto and sent a heartfelt message to Blue Jays fans:

“Hi. How are you? I miss Toronto — my favourite place. I don’t forget Toronto,” he said, hands to his heart.

“Don’t forget. See you soon, OK? Take care — your body, your mental [health], your [happiness],” he said, “I hope you enjoy your life.”

He also misses his former Blue Jays teammates.

“Ryan Goins, Kevin Pillar, Jose Bautista, Donaldson, Tulo, all the guys I miss,” he said, before breaking into the Jose! chant.

“Kevin Pillar, you’re the best, you’re Superman,” he added. “I’m a good player, however, you’re the best.”



http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/ex-blue-jay-munenori-kawasaki-special-canada-day-message/

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« Reply #409 on: June 30, 2017, 12:55:55 AM »
5 runs over 3 games against the terrible Orioles starting pitching.  Useless team.

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« Reply #410 on: June 30, 2017, 05:19:30 AM »
5 runs over 3 games against the terrible Orioles starting pitching.  Useless team.


Perhaps this year's Blue Jays motto should be...'We are the cure for the opposing team's ills'...

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« Reply #411 on: June 30, 2017, 05:38:01 AM »
What is ailing the Blue Jays besides all these trips on the DL?  This article attempts to explain.   Buyers or sellers?   Dismantle "the oldest least sustainable roster" and rebuild the farm system?   What should they do?...

Until we know how this turns out, the Blue Jays are Schrodinger's cat – simultaneously dead and alive.

Someone is going to have to decide which it is before they open the box in September. That someone will be Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro. Is he a deadline seller or a buyer?

This is the rare instance in which doing nothing is not a viable option. If Shapiro does nothing, he's effectively done something – committed himself to one of the oldest, least sustainable rosters in baseball when he could have infused the farm system with badly needed new blood. If the Jays finish 12 games out of a playoff spot, giving up on your tomorrows for today will look terribly foolish.

Going the other way is less risky. If you call the season in July, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. You're proved right by the result.

At a guess, that's the way the Jays are leaning. Shapiro was hinting as much back in mid-May.

If that's so, the time for treading water is ending. If the Jays clubhouse wants to be given the chance to see this thing through till the end, they have to start doing it right now. A good target would be crossing the threshold of .500 by the break, which begins July 10. That's the point at which most teams begin firing up their loudest game-theory generators.

It's harder to explain that you are cracking up a winner, both inside and outside the organization. But enough people will buy the explanation if the team is a loser when you begin dismantling it.



https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/baseball/kelly-the-blue-jays-are-schrodingers-cat-so-whats-in-the-box/article35472937/
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« Reply #412 on: June 30, 2017, 05:28:18 PM »
So Steve Pearce is sitting for the 2nd game in a row for Ezequiel Carrera. This is a player who has been absolutely on fire the last month (1200+ OPS), has proven to be far, far superior than Carrera on a career basis, has better numbers this year, even considering Carrera's inflated avg and obp, and hits RHP significantly better than the lefty Carrera does. They may be a wash defensively, but, unlike the moronic Carrera, Pearce actually can hit a cutoff man.

I just can't wrap my head around this. Is Gibbons really dumb enough to use a LH hitter vs. RHP solely due to the fact that he's LH, despite the RH being way better?
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« Reply #413 on: June 30, 2017, 05:50:39 PM »
I don't have a dog in the fight but bWAR has Pearce and Carrera as equally useless(-0.1) for the year.
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« Reply #414 on: June 30, 2017, 05:54:42 PM »
I don't have a dog in the fight but bWAR has Pearce and Carrera as equally useless(-0.1) for the year.

Well Pearce had a horrid start to the season and then got hurt but, as I said, he is raking at a plus 1200 OPS the past 30 games. He also has a much higher value than Carrera career-wise. It's a no-brainer really.

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« Reply #415 on: June 30, 2017, 06:09:13 PM »
Well Pearce had a horrid start to the season and then got hurt but, as I said, he is raking at a plus 1200 OPS the past 30 games. He also has a much higher value than Carrera career-wise. It's a no-brainer really.

Both guys are having very good months, with Carrera over .900 OPS for the month in his own right. If I had to guess at a thought process it would be in trying to get some speed/OBP in the lineup combined with Carrera having slightly more success against Fister albeit in very small sample sizes.
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« Reply #416 on: June 30, 2017, 06:48:03 PM »
Argh, my long response totally got wiped out. I blame Gibbons! Here's the short of it:

Carrera's month constitutes only 15 games. Pearce has not only still been hitting at a much better rate but has done so for almost twice as many games. Pearce's career OBP is also ten points higher than Carrera's. The only thing favouring Carrera is, as you said, speed, but this is a team that never steals and only scores via home run. Carrera is also a dummy on the basepaths.

The Fister angle is silly to me (but to Gibbons I'm sure it's religion)- 2 hits in 9 at bats. I can't imagine that means anything. That's like scratching Kadri for Ben Smith because he has more goals against a particular goalie in a small sample size.

But this isn't a Carrera bash-fest. He's just a career mid-600 OPS guy who's playing above his head this year and has no business playing consecutive games, as well as pinch hitting, for a clearly superior player. And for a team that can't score runs to save its life, I'm not sure why they keep benching their hottest hitter.

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« Reply #417 on: June 30, 2017, 07:14:53 PM »

Just in a general sense re: lineup construction I don't know how seriously I'd take career stats for something like OBP over year over year stats in dictating lineup selection. "How well did these guys get on base in 2012?" seems like information I'd struggle to see as relevant. Carrera is having a very good year in terms of OBP and that may outweigh historical or very recent information and I don't think it's entirely crazy to think that.

That said, I do think the more relevant point is that neither guy is very good. Pearce has a higher career value but almost 75% of his career value comes from one year. They're both basically replacement level guys.

So I guess I see it more like benching Ben Smith for Rich Clune because Rich Clune popped a few against a particular goalie. Maybe not the decision I'd make but sort of harmless in the grand scheme of things.
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« Reply #418 on: June 30, 2017, 07:30:43 PM »
Steve Pearce is akin to Richard Clune? Carrera's 150 at bats this year outweigh his consistently bad career totals? Okey dokey, that ends this discussion.

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« Reply #419 on: June 30, 2017, 07:54:15 PM »
Steve Pearce is akin to Richard Clune?

Well, no. I mean, if you're going to be snarky about it in that particular analogy Pearce is Smith and Carrera is Clune.

Pearce has a career 8.3 WAR with 5.9 of it coming in one year. So I'm pretty comfortable saying he's a hell of a lot closer to Smith than he is Kadri.

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Carrera's 150 at bats this year outweigh his consistently bad career totals?

I'd phrase it more as Carrerra's career with the Blue Jays vs Pearce's recent numbers being more or less a wash in that regard make the difference a small one as opposed to a large one.
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