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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2015, 04:46:56 PM »
Even smart GMs have short term memory sometimes

Some might but in theory there will be multiple teams interested in Kessel and, again, nobody is seriously advocating trading him by the deadline or bust. Just that you can't hold on to him forever in the hopes that a trade that's no more likely to come in the future than now materializes.
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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2015, 04:57:27 PM »
At some point you just have to pull the trigger and make the best deal available. I have to wonder how much of his current "slump" could be due to conditioning (or lack thereof) and I'm sure other GMs are wondering that as well. But with the team overall in such a tailspin, it's hard to partition out the blame among conditioning, apathy, coaching/system, linemates, etc. It's not as if Bozak and JVR are helping much.

Wanted to ask if Howard Berger is considered a joke? He wrote a blog post today advocating a Kessel for Florida's first and Brad Boyes, claiming that getting Florida's first alone makes it worth it. I LOL'd when I read it - has to be a joke, right?

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2015, 06:26:56 PM »
I was being a little sarcastic, but not toward you.  I really think there will come a time when Kessel's lack of conditioning will catch up with him and his production and speed will start to decline.  And I think that will happen sooner than later, and before the Leafs are ready to contend.  And your point about the potential of injury is a good one.  I would really hate to look back and see a lost opportunity to gather assets this year, given that he can likely fetch a good return.  And the cap space doesn't hurt either.

He doesn't have a lack of conditioning, or at least none that's been documented.  Around training camp Cox tweeted about Kessel being among the best in the Leafs' fitness testing.

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2015, 02:33:57 AM »
What are the specifics regarding Kessel's limited NTC again? The one thing I would be concerned with - especially if the Leafs are serious about trading Kessel, would be if he flipped the script and went to the media with a trade demand - that would be a disaster.

As far as returns go for Kessel I'm still not sure what a one dimensional player with a questionable work ethic should expect to return on the trade market. Undoubtably one of the better goal scorers in the league but that's about where it ends - if he's not scoring he's hardly noticeable. If I'm a Leaf fan I don't know how crazy I'd be about anything Florida has to offer either. I also think Nonis & Shanahan should not say anything more to the media about trading him - they don't want to start giving off the impression that they're desperate to trade him.

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2015, 08:28:29 AM »
As far as returns go for Kessel I'm still not sure what a one dimensional player with a questionable work ethic should expect to return on the trade market.

I think the bar has been set at Alex Chiasson, Nick Paul, Alex Guptill and a second.
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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2015, 08:44:31 AM »
As far as returns go for Kessel I'm still not sure what a one dimensional player with a questionable work ethic should expect to return on the trade market.

I think the bar has been set at Alex Chiasson, Nick Paul, Alex Guptill and a second.

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2015, 08:47:20 AM »
Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt, and a top 3 pick?

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2015, 08:54:58 AM »

I mean, at worst if Kessel does demand a trade you have to figure on at least Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo and a 2nd.
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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2015, 09:02:09 AM »
Kessel, Nylander and a 1st for Hoffman?

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2015, 09:33:24 AM »
The only thing Kessel has in common with Spezza is his hairline.

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2015, 09:37:29 AM »

It's a fair point. Spezza never scored 35 in a season.
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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2015, 09:40:48 AM »
True, one's an Olympic medalist.

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2015, 09:45:01 AM »
Same amount of times Kessel has put up over 84 pts in a season.

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2015, 09:49:30 AM »
Like the Olympics mean anything ::) How many Spengler Cups has Kessel won?

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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2015, 09:56:59 AM »

Kessel's also younger, signed to a long-term contract and didn't ask out of where he's currently playing the way Spezza and so many Senators before him have.

So in retrospect they're not all that much alike. Like I said, it's a low bar.
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Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2015, 09:56:59 AM »