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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #180 on: February 16, 2015, 01:14:08 PM »
Right, so basically if we'd made the trade with Buffalo or Edmonton and gotten their second rounder plus a prospect. Not really much difference. I'm sure some would complain but people complain about everything.

Except for the obvious that Edmonton or Buffalo would never make those trades. The only picks available to us were likely in the 16-30 range and in the 46-60 range. Maybe even that's too big of a range as borderline playoff teams would likely not be dealing their 1sts in the fear of possibly falling out and losing a McDavid pick, or just because they don't feel that they're a Franson-away from winning the Cup. So really the range was probably more likely 20-30 and 50-60. The fact that they got something in that first group shouldn't be seen as anything less than a success.


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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #181 on: February 16, 2015, 01:17:58 PM »
What are the Leafs lottery odds if they finish in 5th last as they are right now?

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #182 on: February 16, 2015, 01:19:22 PM »
What are the Leafs lottery odds if they finish in 5th last as they are right now?

Current lottery standings (and simulator) can be found here: http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/

At 5th the Leafs have an 8.5% chance at McDavid.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #183 on: February 16, 2015, 01:21:21 PM »
Doesn't Nashville have to win the Cup for us to pick 30th? Playoff results determine draft position among playoff teams, not winning the President's Trophy. I feel pretty good about our chances of picking higher than 30th.

What is it with the Leafs and Finnish-born, 3rd overall draft picks by the LA Kings? Aki Berg and now Olli Jokinen. Way to corner that niche market!  ;)

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #184 on: February 16, 2015, 01:22:49 PM »
Right, so basically if we'd made the trade with Buffalo or Edmonton and gotten their second rounder plus a prospect. Not really much difference. I'm sure some would complain but people complain about everything.

Except for the obvious that Edmonton or Buffalo would never make those trades. The only picks available to us were likely in the 16-30 range and in the 46-60 range. Maybe even that's too big of a range as borderline playoff teams would likely not be dealing their 1sts in the fear of possibly falling out and losing a McDavid pick, or just because they don't feel that they're a Franson-away from winning the Cup. So really the range was probably more likely 20-30 and 50-60. The fact that they got something in that first group shouldn't be seen as anything less than a success.

Right, that was kind of my point though I didn't carry the explanation far enough. We did reasonably well. There are always good players available in the 22-30 range. The trick is identifying them. But if you don't have the pick, you have no chance.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #185 on: February 16, 2015, 01:23:19 PM »
Doesn't Nashville have to win the Cup for us to pick 30th? Playoff results determine draft position among playoff teams, not winning the President's Trophy. I feel pretty good about our chances of picking higher than 30th.

What is it with the Leafs and Finnish-born, 3rd overall draft picks by the LA Kings? Aki Berg and now Olli Jokinen. Way to corner that niche market!  ;)

Yup, rankings for playoff teams are based of success in the playoffs (and then reg. season points). If they get knocked out in the 1st round they likely pick 22nd. If they get knocked out in the 2nd round they likely pick 26th. I personally can't see a team with Riberio as their top centre getting into the Western conference finals, so it will probably be one of those two.


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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #187 on: February 16, 2015, 01:47:07 PM »
What are the Leafs lottery odds if they finish in 5th last as they are right now?

Current lottery standings (and simulator) can be found here: http://nhllotterysimulator.com/#/

At 5th the Leafs have an 8.5% chance at McDavid.

Okay, I've run that three times over the last month and every time the Leafs have won. Is this thing rigged or something?

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #188 on: February 16, 2015, 02:04:03 PM »
Since we all know the Leafs aren't winning the lottery, who should we realistically be hoping for in this draft, and does that player legitimately have a chance to be a franchise #1 centre?

I'm just asking because I don't know whether or not to be excited about this off season.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #189 on: February 16, 2015, 02:07:27 PM »
Since we all know the Leafs aren't winning the lottery, who should we realistically be hoping for in this draft, and does that player legitimately have a chance to be a franchise #1 centre?

I'm just asking because I don't know whether or not to be excited about this off season.

A few of us talked about this earlier today in another thread:

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=2444.msg216142#msg216142

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #190 on: February 16, 2015, 02:26:59 PM »
FYI, looks like Jokinen will be wearing #11 with the Leafs.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #191 on: February 16, 2015, 04:10:10 PM »
I wonder where Jokinen plays in the line-up. Horachek's confirmed he'll be at centre (he's played right-wing for the 1st time in his career all season long in Nashville). Nonis strongly suggested that he could be a trade chip come deadline time if his play improves. The top line's been in shambles for what feels like forever now. Maybe we see Jokinen-Kessel together to try and pad Olli's stats before the deadline?

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #192 on: February 16, 2015, 04:12:01 PM »
I would like to see him with Kessel actually. You never know.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #193 on: February 16, 2015, 06:54:59 PM »
I would like to see him with Kessel actually. You never know.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #194 on: February 16, 2015, 11:43:12 PM »
But looking at his career stats:  1217 NHL games played, and 6 total NHL playoff games.  That's a little depressing.

Outside of the fact that I want Nashville's 1st rounder to be as high a pick as possible, I think it would be hilarious if Jokinen got himself a Cup ring for participating in Nashville's season if they won the Cup, with all of 6 career playoff games under his belt.
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #194 on: February 16, 2015, 11:43:12 PM »