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I consider this a must-lose game. Whatever it takes.

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Classic recent-era Kessel play there. Lose the puck, then swing his stick at the opponent. Bonus penalty to boot.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs negotiating long-term deal with Kadri?
« on: February 20, 2015, 11:46:41 AM »
I was the one who made the initial comment that putting Kadri on the first line a few years ago might have led to something other than the current dire, complete rebuild situation. I don't necessarily believe that to be true. However, no one can really say for certain. Perhaps Kadri and Kessel develop a really strong chemistry which offsets any weakening of the second line. Perhaps it exposes Bozak for what he is and the Leafs go out and find a stronger center instead of signing Clarkson.

I suspect the most likely outcome would be that the Leafs would be a little better, perhaps even on the verge of making the playoffs the past 2 years. That might just delay the inevitable need for a complete rebuild, but who knows.

For the record, I'm not sold on Kadri being a true #1 center, or even being a better fit with Kessel. If you think about it, the Leafs really have only one player on offense that the opposition must game plan for, and that is Kessel - when he's on, at least. The rest of the Leafs top forwards (Lupul, JVR, Bozak, even Kadri) bring similar skills - none are particularly physical, none are really good at winning puck battles, all are streaky scorers. We need another forward that scares the opposition and makes his linemates better. Can Kadri be that going forward? I'd argue that we really don't know - some of the numbers suggest yes, others don't. It would be nice to know that as the team potentially enters a tear-down/rebuild mode.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« on: February 19, 2015, 01:51:59 PM »
Might be better at this point to hold onto Lupul until the summer or even next season. Who is going to want to grab a player who, in addition to being frequently injured, is currently injured, for this years playoff run?

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Leaf fans disappointed? Hard to imagine  :D

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Agree that it's unlikely that some of the players being mentioned would be traded for Kessel, especially if they are already making an impact in the NHL. But for someone who is still 18 or 19 and years away from having the impact of a Kessel right now, even a top-5 type (which Kessel was), it could happen.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs negotiating long-term deal with Kadri?
« on: February 19, 2015, 12:06:17 PM »
Interesting numbers! One can speculate that the Leafs have "handled Kadri perfectly" but perhaps it's the exact opposite. His production rates suggest he has been under-utilized. Perhaps if he had been slotted into the #1 spot with Kessel, the team would have performed much better and we wouldn't need to be talking about a total rebuild.

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I don't know...maybe a team thinks having Kessel now (and for the next few years) will help them win a Cup, as opposed to waiting for their 18 or 19 year old phenom to develop.

Who knows if Nylander (for example) will ever be as good as Kessel, will ever have the impact Kessel has had? I could see a team trading a Nylander-like prospect for Kessel if the circumstances were right. Not saying I'd recommend it, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs negotiating long-term deal with Kadri?
« on: February 18, 2015, 03:08:43 PM »
Scott Glennie stands out as a rather unfortunate pick! Yikes.

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$4.2 million cap hit (thank you, Leaf management). Bozak is the one player I would like to see gone regardless of the return. Well, other than Clarkson but I've come to accept the fact he's not going anywhere.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Tank Nation UNITE!!!
« on: February 16, 2015, 07:47:29 PM »
So I was having this discussion with a colleague at work about first round draft duds.  The discussion went down the train of thought that with all of the advanced scouting and metrics available to teams nowadays that the chances that a team totally misses the boat on a 1st overall selection are smaller than they were say 25 - 35 years ago.  This isn't to say that a Crosby will be drafted in every draft, but rather misses like Patrick Stefan and Pat Falloon ( not a first but picked 2nd before Neidermeyer at 3rd) will become less and less frequent.  What say the minds of tmlfans.ca?

I am with Potvin29's article he showed where just drafting the highest scoring players available will basically be the best choice.  Once in a while it flops and once in a while a player off the chart turns out great but those are so infrequent that a team should not even consider it.
Where is this posted (or is there a link)? Don't remember seeing it. This is something I was wondering about the other day.

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Florida interested in Kessel
« on: February 16, 2015, 04:57:27 PM »
At some point you just have to pull the trigger and make the best deal available. I have to wonder how much of his current "slump" could be due to conditioning (or lack thereof) and I'm sure other GMs are wondering that as well. But with the team overall in such a tailspin, it's hard to partition out the blame among conditioning, apathy, coaching/system, linemates, etc. It's not as if Bozak and JVR are helping much.

Wanted to ask if Howard Berger is considered a joke? He wrote a blog post today advocating a Kessel for Florida's first and Brad Boyes, claiming that getting Florida's first alone makes it worth it. I LOL'd when I read it - has to be a joke, right?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Tank Nation UNITE!!!
« on: February 16, 2015, 04:50:25 PM »
Rob Pearson <shudder>. Leafs had 3 first round picks that year...Scott Thornton (#3), Pearson (#12), Steve Bancroft (#21). What a haul. Still available at #21 - Adam Foote, Nik Lidstrom, Federov, Bure...good memories!

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Right, so basically if we'd made the trade with Buffalo or Edmonton and gotten their second rounder plus a prospect. Not really much difference. I'm sure some would complain but people complain about everything.

Except for the obvious that Edmonton or Buffalo would never make those trades. The only picks available to us were likely in the 16-30 range and in the 46-60 range. Maybe even that's too big of a range as borderline playoff teams would likely not be dealing their 1sts in the fear of possibly falling out and losing a McDavid pick, or just because they don't feel that they're a Franson-away from winning the Cup. So really the range was probably more likely 20-30 and 50-60. The fact that they got something in that first group shouldn't be seen as anything less than a success.

Right, that was kind of my point though I didn't carry the explanation far enough. We did reasonably well. There are always good players available in the 22-30 range. The trick is identifying them. But if you don't have the pick, you have no chance.

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Right, so basically if we'd made the trade with Buffalo or Edmonton and gotten their second rounder plus a prospect. Not really much difference. I'm sure some would complain but people complain about everything.

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