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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: June 04, 2019, 11:02:49 AM »

I don't buy for a second that all that many fans would care about Marner choosing to sign a slightly higher offer sheet provided the Leafs match and he plays well.

Likewise, if he signs somewhere else and the Leafs don't match he'll be unpopular here regardless of the terms of the offer sheet. I don't think "Yeah he left, but he left for an extra 7 million as opposed to 3.5" is going to win too many fans over.

Yeah, if Mitch Marner is in a Leafs jersey next year, fans will be happy. If he isn't, they won't be.

There's plenty of incentive on his side to accept an offer sheet, provided he's confident that the Leafs would match (and, if they're not indicating otherwise and showing they're willing to trade him, he should be confident that they'd match anything below the 4 1st rounder compensation).

If I were Mitch (and maybe I am, you never know on the internet), I would show the offer sheet to the leafs as evidence of my worth, have a discussion, and hope that gives me a little more negotiating leverage. If Dubas says he canít go that high, I wouldnít sign it.  Too much risk for not enough gain.  I like my teammates. I like my city. I enjoy singing Bon Jovi on the bench. My linemates look like they are going to give me pretty much the best possible chance to maximize my on-ice success. Iíve got a bunch of endorsements that can make up a chunk of the difference and increase my stardom.  Yes, for the sake of status, iíd like a higher number but I donít think Iíd risk all the other things for $73.5 million (10.5) vs $66.5 million (9.5) over the next 7 years (for example).  But thatís just me and I may or may not be Mitch.

I hope you're Mitch! I'd like to believe it isn't all about the money for Mitch, and that the stuff we're hearing is coming from his father.

As for the fans, not sure how well they'll react if Mitch and his crew hold the Leafs hostage for a ridiculous salary that handcuffs the team in other areas. Yeah, a defense with Holl and Marincin playing major minutes sounds great! Stanley Cup, here we come.

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4) seems to complain a little about being stuck in a defence-only role with the Leafs. That 4th point is what stuck out the most to me and could be a reason behind the trade request. But I'd imagine there's gotta be other stuff going on too. If that was it he could have tried working with the coaching staff about adjusting his role.

I've always wondered how much of Zaitsev's struggles with the puck were due to his own limitations, versus how much was due to the "Babcock Leash". I've seen him lug the puck up the ice into the offensive zone successfully often enough to believe that he has that ability, yet he often handles the puck like a grenade and just throws it out of the d zone. Is that due to a lack of vision or low panic point, or is he told to just get it out.

Guess we'll find out if he winds up somewhere else.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Marleau being shopped around
« on: May 31, 2019, 01:27:35 PM »
It wouldn't shock me. There's been a fair amount of speculation that he'd be open to a trade that sends him back to the west coast. LA likely being terrible next season does complicate things, but, I can see it happening.

I think it does a little more than just complicate things. We're talking about a guy who's had a Hall-of-very-good career and almost certainly has just one more shot at winning the Cup before he has to retire. A trade back to San Jose I could understand, but a bottom-feeder like LA just seems way too unlikely. But I guess we'll see.

Will be very interesting to see what comes of this. Maybe Marleau realizes that his contract is going to have a significant negative impact on the Leafs chances to win a cup in his final year. Spending those 6 mil on the defense would greatly increase their chances. But LA...at least he'll play everyday and won't be stuck on the 4th line. Maybe he then gets moved at the deadline to a contender.

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I love Nikita for being the one to ask for a change of scenery.
someone once asked me if I wanted a contract (I knew I could totally trust this man),  I said look I don't need a contract because if I am performing you will more than want me to continue to work for you. If I don't produce why would I expect you to be forced to keep me. I have worked this way for over 20 years and  its all been based on a handshake. 
Now Zaitzev is no wallflower, probably takes a huge amount of pride in what he does, and the Leafs want a quick break out pass and Z is not a break out pass kind of guy, he is is puck carrying Dude.  He knows the Leafs are not using him to his strength.  He is doing the decent thing by asking for the trade, he doesnt want to play were he is not wanted.
Hope Dubas can make all of us happy.   
May mean Hainsey gets a one year deal though

I'm all for moving Zaitsev, but someone has to play defense. Losing Gardiner/Zaitsev/Hainsey plus Dermott out for the start of the season doesn't paint a pretty picture. Hainsey on a one year deal, played on the 2nd or 3rd pair, works for me.

Maybe Marner can play some defense...


Rielly
Muzzin
Rosen
Holl
Marincin
Borgman
Sandin

Ummm

Holl and Marincin, huh? Ummm...

Maybe Borgman and Rosen.

Sandin most likely ain't ready. Lily probably ain't either.

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I love Nikita for being the one to ask for a change of scenery.
someone once asked me if I wanted a contract (I knew I could totally trust this man),  I said look I don't need a contract because if I am performing you will more than want me to continue to work for you. If I don't produce why would I expect you to be forced to keep me. I have worked this way for over 20 years and  its all been based on a handshake. 
Now Zaitzev is no wallflower, probably takes a huge amount of pride in what he does, and the Leafs want a quick break out pass and Z is not a break out pass kind of guy, he is is puck carrying Dude.  He knows the Leafs are not using him to his strength.  He is doing the decent thing by asking for the trade, he doesnt want to play were he is not wanted.
Hope Dubas can make all of us happy.   
May mean Hainsey gets a one year deal though

I'm all for moving Zaitsev, but someone has to play defense. Losing Gardiner/Zaitsev/Hainsey plus Dermott out for the start of the season doesn't paint a pretty picture. Hainsey on a one year deal, played on the 2nd or 3rd pair, works for me.

Maybe Marner can play some defense...

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: May 28, 2019, 08:14:59 PM »
I just listened to the clip, he doesn't say "expects" using that work specifically but he absolutely says the Marner camp is looking towards July 1st and beyond July 1st and he'd "be shocked" if Marner isn't on a plane June 26th visiting other teams. So yeah in essence the article correctly spews Dreger's idiotic ramblings
We must be listening to different interviews.

Edit to add - yes, there are at least 2 different interviews out there and in one of them, he says what you have quoted. Not in the other, though.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: May 28, 2019, 05:19:52 PM »
This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.

I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!"  It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.

Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.

"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."

I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).

Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.

Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.

I just listened to the interview and Dreger never said he "expects" negotiations to go past July 1. He said "if it goes by July 1 then the leverage 100% is on Marner's side." Also never said Marner is expected to visit other teams.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: May 28, 2019, 03:24:10 PM »
If he's insistent on ridiculous money yet cannot find an acceptable offer sheet from another team, the Leafs should just let him sit out the year and deal with him once Marleau's contract is off the books. That way they can sign everyone else they need.

I think the team probably takes a step back this upcoming year either way. If they sign Marner for ridiculous money, they lose Kapanen and/or Johnsson, Gardiner, etc, and are unable to replace them with comparable talent. Or, they lose Marner for a year yet keep the supporting cast.

If the Marner talks drag on it impacts the team's ability to deal with their other players effectively. How do you know what to do with Johnsson or Kapanen when you don't have Marner signed.

Maybe things will all work out but I'm starting to get concerned about the ability of this team to make all the pieces fit.

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Hate the play but I don't believe it was an intent to injure.

What other reason is there for punching someone in the head?
To irritate, like smacking your little brother in the back of the head. It wasn't vicious.
Disagree, it was a pretty solid punch AND from behind so the recipient wasn't prepared for it. If you're facing the player and take a swing at him at least he has a chance to prepare for it and possibly respond.

This is exactly the kind of crap that needs to be removed from the game. Too bad the ref can't call a penalty that would carry over to the start of the next game in these kinds of situations.

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Harrington is a former Leaf so it makes perfect sense that the NHL would consider it acceptable for a Bruin player to punch him in the back of the head.

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Does anyone have any stats that break down the PPG against the various Leaf penalty killers? Watching the games this year I had the distinct feeling that many were scored while Kapanen was on the ice, and often on his side. There was at least one during the playoffs. I'm wondering if my impressions are backed up by the actual numbers.

I know the guy is fast but if he's not generating breakaways, he seems to often get lost in the dzone while on the penalty kill.

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I think the  number 1 priority in the offseason (other than signing Marner to something "reasonable") is to try to move Marleau. I know he has the no movement clause but he did say something in his exit interview that gave some hope that he might consider it (something about we'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it) . If we can cut that contract a lot of other stuff becomes easier. We can keep Kadri, move Nylander with Matthews where he belongs, and probably keep both Johnsson and Kapanen (and/or maybe Gardiner provided his back isn't going to be a chronic problem). Or we can move someone and try to acquire another good dman.

If we can't do that, I'd still rather keep Kadri and put Nylander back with Matthews. It's obvious that Kapanen doesn't have the same kind of complementary game that Nylander does for Matthews. I'm on the fence about whether to move Kappy or Johnsson if one has to go. Maybe it depends on which brings the better return in a trade (Kappy I would guess).

Brown can go. Goat can go. Don't know if Engvall is ready to step in but can he be much more  useless than Goat? Don't care about Zaitsev but I doubt he's going anywhere.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« on: April 24, 2019, 05:09:54 PM »

I can agree with that. Ignoring his contract, 16 goals and 37 points are pretty decent for a third line winger. I'll concede though, that he spent a decent amount of time as Matthew's winger.
So is 21 goals and 41 points good enough for a 1st line player then? I don't. As for the Marleau thing, if he's back, Babs needs to stress to him he will be on the 4th line. That's where he belongs at this stage of his career.
Problem is, he doesn't seem to be a good fit for the 4th line. He doesn't hit, he doesn't play with the kind of energy that Moore/Ennis bring, he doesn't create offense. If Gauthier is 4th line center again (and really, unless Dubas takes him away you know Babcock will put him there...you can't teach size) and you add Marleau...that's a recipe for a useless 4th line.

Probably his best place if he is still here will be 3rd line, if the center and RW (Kadri/Kapanen?) are good enough he won't be too much of a hindrance there. Best choice though is retirement.
We can't have him retire because he'll count against the cap. I think the Leafs approach him to move on. As for him playing with Kadri and Kappy. Not even sure kadri will be back. Management might be done with him.
Marleau can retire and they can trade his cap hit, I believe.

You might be right about Kadri and I really couldn't complain if they let him go. Really put the team in a hole the last 2 springs.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« on: April 24, 2019, 05:01:23 PM »

I can agree with that. Ignoring his contract, 16 goals and 37 points are pretty decent for a third line winger. I'll concede though, that he spent a decent amount of time as Matthew's winger.
So is 21 goals and 41 points good enough for a 1st line player then? I don't. As for the Marleau thing, if he's back, Babs needs to stress to him he will be on the 4th line. That's where he belongs at this stage of his career.
Problem is, he doesn't seem to be a good fit for the 4th line. He doesn't hit, he doesn't play with the kind of energy that Moore/Ennis bring, he doesn't create offense. If Gauthier is 4th line center again (and really, unless Dubas takes him away you know Babcock will put him there...you can't teach size) and you add Marleau...that's a recipe for a useless 4th line.

Probably his best place if he is still here will be 3rd line, if the center and RW (Kadri/Kapanen?) are good enough he won't be too much of a hindrance there. Best choice though is retirement.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« on: April 24, 2019, 11:01:05 AM »
He's completely fine as a third line winger, but do you really need a $6M third line winger? I'm with Carlton, I think he's coming back to finish his contract.

But if he does retire, the Leafs can probably find a suitor for his contract. Maybe even Ottawa takes it on? It's not like they'll be anywhere near the cap. I can't imagine it'd cost that much for them to take it.

I don't agree that's he's fine as a 3rd line winger.  He had 0 goals this series, that's 4th line material.  Even if his salary was only $2M I wouldn't think he was a 3rd line acceptable winger at this stage of his career.

I highly doubt he would accept a trade to Ottawa.  Maybe if the Sharks want him back for some reason to retire a Shark.

Maybe if you have two other skilled players on the 3rd line (Kadri/Kapanen perhaps). Maybe he's OK then, he can go stand in front of the net. But his deficiencies were plainly visible in this playoff series when he was paired up with Brown as the other winger.

He can't handle the puck. It goes to the other team almost every time. He doesn't win puck battles. He's really not physical (it's becoming obvious how he's managed to play 5000 games in a row).

His contract is really going to hurt the team next year if he's still here.

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