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Title: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 13, 2019, 08:47:07 PM
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20-17-8, 48 points | 28-14-2, 58 points

Projected Lines

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Jost-Kerfoot-Compher
Nieto-Soderberg-Calvert
Andrighetto-Dries-Wilson

Girard-Johnson
Cole-Barrie
Graves-Barberio

Varlamov
             
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Nylander
Lindholm-Gauthier-Brown

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Ozhignaov

Andersen

Scratches

Gabriel Bourque
Patrik Nemeth
      
Martin Marincin
Justin Holl

Game Notes

COL
ēVarlamov (11-10-5, 2.82 GAA, .909 Sv%) will likely start for the Avalanche
ēColorado has one of the best lines in hockey right now: Rantanen, MacKinnon, and Landeskog have 68, 66, and 51 points respectively. Rantanen and MacKinnon are 2nd and 5th in league scoring
ēThe Avs are in quite a rut right now with just 1 win in their last 10 games. They were once comfortably in a playoff spot but they're now fighting to keep their wild card position

TOR
ēAndersen (20-9-1, 2.50 GAA, .923 Sv%) will likely start for the Leafs
ēAndersen and Sparks were both full participants at practice with the Leafs on Sunday. Sparks says he's received clearance from the medical staff, while Andersen said he feels ready to go. We'll have to wait for a final confirmation tomorrow but I'm guessing we'll see Freddy back in net with Sparks backing up

Injuries

ēMolota Zadorov - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
ēVladislav Kamenev - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
ēConor Timmins - Concussion - Injured Reserve
      
ēTyler Ennis - Ankle - Injured Reserve
ēGarret Sparks - Concussion - Probable Monday
ēFrederik Andersen - Groin - Probable Monday

Stream Options

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLstreams
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 08:51:01 AM
Andersen is in net?  Is this real life?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 09:11:00 AM
Katya at PPP comes through with some good clarification on where Hutchinson stands and what sort of waiver voodoo we need to commit:

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/1/14/18181293/michael-hutchinson-is-still-on-the-maple-leafs-roster

The answer is none at the moment.

The long and short of the difference between Regular Recall and Emergency Recall with respect to waiver activation:
Regular Recalls have a 30 day or 10 NHL game limit, whichever comes first
Emergency Recalls have a 10 NHL game limit only
and the two counters are separate and do not count against each other

Hutchinson has been on Emergency Recalls with Florida and Toronto, and has played 4+5.
If Andersen and Sparks are activated, then the Emergency is no longer valid and Hutchinson would be converted to Regular Recall, with a fresh 10-game, 30-day counter (the Leafs have roster space with no extra forward).
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2019, 09:22:13 AM
Yeah, I brought that up in the last GDT when Chris Johnson said his waivers was about to expire. Didn't bother checking if Florida's original call-up was an emergency one too. Very weird that this isn't something Sportsnet/Johnson picked up on. And now other reporters are parroting the same line as he did.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on January 14, 2019, 09:37:13 AM
Andersen is in net?  Is this real life?

Is this just fantasy?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 09:42:30 AM
Yeah, I brought that up in the last GDT when Chris Johnson said his waivers was about to expire. Didn't bother checking if Florida's original call-up was an emergency one too. Very weird that this isn't something Sportsnet/Johnson picked up on. And now other reporters are parroting the same line as he did.

The AHL Transaction logs (https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/411/61?page=1) don't really indicate what type of recall in the raw list, so one would need to cross reference the injury data to see if it was a situation that qualified as Emergency (<2 goalies). Generally, a goalie recall is most likely to be of the emergency variety, right?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2019, 09:48:28 AM
The AHL Transaction logs (https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/411/61?page=1) don't really indicate what type of recall in the raw list, so one would need to cross reference the injury data to see if it was a situation that qualified as Emergency (<2 goalies). Generally, a goalie recall is most likely to be of the emergency variety, right?

True, but the Leafs in particular aren't really shy about clarifying what kind of recalls they're using. As you can plainly see here (https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5018.msg348164#msg348164).
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Deebo on January 14, 2019, 09:55:16 AM
Yeah, I brought that up in the last GDT when Chris Johnson said his waivers was about to expire. Didn't bother checking if Florida's original call-up was an emergency one too. Very weird that this isn't something Sportsnet/Johnson picked up on. And now other reporters are parroting the same line as he did.

The AHL Transaction logs (https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/411/61?page=1) don't really indicate what type of recall in the raw list, so one would need to cross reference the injury data to see if it was a situation that qualified as Emergency (<2 goalies). Generally, a goalie recall is most likely to be of the emergency variety, right?

The daily cap tracker on CapFriendly can help here.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/panthers/cap-tracker
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs/cap-tracker

These links will tell you what each player's daily roster status was for the entire season.

Hutchinson's call up by the Panthers in November was indeed an emergency call up.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 10:10:47 AM
Yeah, I brought that up in the last GDT when Chris Johnson said his waivers was about to expire. Didn't bother checking if Florida's original call-up was an emergency one too. Very weird that this isn't something Sportsnet/Johnson picked up on. And now other reporters are parroting the same line as he did.

The AHL Transaction logs (https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/411/61?page=1) don't really indicate what type of recall in the raw list, so one would need to cross reference the injury data to see if it was a situation that qualified as Emergency (<2 goalies). Generally, a goalie recall is most likely to be of the emergency variety, right?

The daily cap tracker on CapFriendly can help here.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/panthers/cap-tracker
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs/cap-tracker

These links will tell you what each player's daily roster status was for the entire season.

Hutchinson's call up by the Panthers in November was indeed an emergency call up.

 :-*
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2019, 10:57:06 AM
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2019, 11:13:55 AM

Always a good idea to ride your starter hard while he's got a groin problem.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 11:31:41 AM
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The Leafs really like to shoot for the edges of the net from in close.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: cabber24 on January 14, 2019, 12:25:31 PM
So who's starting tonight... maybe Carlton knows?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: AvroArrow on January 14, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
Always a good idea to ride your starter hard while he's got a groin problem.

How do we know it was Babcock's decision?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Always a good idea to ride your starter hard while he's got a groin problem.

How do we know it was Babcock's decision?

If Andersen hid his injury, then sure there wasn't much Babs could have done about it. But I'm assuming players, especially goalies, get checked out on a somewhat regular basis and I can't imagine Andersen not telling anyone he was having some issues.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Frank E on January 14, 2019, 06:03:22 PM
Always a good idea to ride your starter hard while he's got a groin problem.

How do we know it was Babcock's decision?

If Andersen hid his injury, then sure there wasn't much Babs could have done about it. But I'm assuming players, especially goalies, get checked out on a somewhat regular basis and I can't imagine Andersen not telling anyone he was having some issues.

See, now I can't agree with this.

Babcock is pining for a Cup, and I can't imagine in a million years that when his goalie comes to him with a groin issue in December that Babs is like "play through it kid".
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on January 14, 2019, 06:28:49 PM
I am so glad to have Steddie Freddie back.

GO LEAFS GO!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Frycer14 on January 14, 2019, 06:35:49 PM
I am so glad to have Steddie Freddie back.

GO LEAFS GO!

:thumbup:
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:02:35 PM
Bringing the optimism tonight. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on January 14, 2019, 07:09:54 PM
Ok...I am optimistic the Av's will break out of their slump tonight....
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:12:39 PM
Lazy start.  Letís get it going. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 07:16:09 PM
Not playing particularly well right now
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:19:28 PM
PP. letís go.  Matthews is due.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 07:19:55 PM
Let's see the new-look PP get off the launchpad here.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:22:09 PM
Breakaway.  No dice. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
Kadri is really bad right now.  A true liability. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:23:52 PM
The leafs obsession with the seam pass is kind of embarrassing.  They pass themselves out of chances. 

Nylander has to start to finish. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 07:24:28 PM
Great, Varlamov is getting a shutout
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on January 14, 2019, 07:28:58 PM
Nylander is getting some good chances so far. Kadri and Marleau have to be better.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 07:29:05 PM
Nylander a beast so far.  A non-finishing beast, granted, but still beastly.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:30:07 PM
Nylander a beast so far.  A non-finishing beast, granted, but still beastly.

Gotta finish.  1 goal in 16 games is rough. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 07:30:19 PM
Nylander is getting some good chances so far. Kadri and Marleau have to be better.

Kadri was sloppy on the PP but Marleau fed 29 nicely in close.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 07:34:26 PM
Nylander a beast so far.  A non-finishing beast, granted, but still beastly.

Gotta finish.  1 goal in 16 games is rough.

Yeah, for sure.  Hoping he can bust out with a multi-pointer tonight.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:39:44 PM
1 win in their last 7 against playoff teams. 

This team looks completely uninspired right now.  No urgency. Low effort level.   This is what Iím supposed to be Uber optimistic about?   This team doesnít work very hard. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Frank E on January 14, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
Nylander a beast so far.  A non-finishing beast, granted, but still beastly.

Gotta finish.  1 goal in 16 games is rough.

Has Nylander not hit the scoresheet lately?

 I haven't heard?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:42:56 PM
Getting hard to root for this team. What a poor effort that was.   They keep talking about the effort they need to put in and then they show up and barely skate.  Is it Babcock?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
Nylander a beast so far.  A non-finishing beast, granted, but still beastly.

Gotta finish.  1 goal in 16 games is rough.

Has Nylander not hit the scoresheet lately?

 I haven't heard?

So no one should ever talk about it?  Makes sense. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 07:57:00 PM
Leafs lose this and it's 5 losses in 7 games, but hey never lost 3 in a row amirite!!??
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 07:59:23 PM
I'm going full-on sunnyface the rest of this one.  Shortie to start the 2nd.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Frank E on January 14, 2019, 08:02:23 PM
I'm going full-on sunnyface the rest of this one.  Shortie to start the 2nd.

Wrong!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:02:25 PM
We rule man


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:03:16 PM
I'm going full-on sunnyface the rest of this one.  Shortie to start the 2nd.

See?  I predicted that!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:03:18 PM
I'm going full-on sunnyface the rest of this one.  Shortie to start the 2nd.

Not a short.  But we now lead.  Keep going!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:04:24 PM
We rule man


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 08:05:04 PM
My negativity has broken through
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:05:30 PM
When Oz scored I yelled loudly. First time my 4 month old daughter stopped crying in last 10 minutes.   She is in to the leafs. 

And now 2-0!  Yes yes yes. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:05:38 PM
I'm going full-on sunnyface the rest of this one.  Shortie to start the 2nd.

See?  I predicted that!

And that!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:06:11 PM
We stink dudes.


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:06:55 PM
I'm going full-on sunnyface the rest of this one.  Shortie to start the 2nd.

See?  I predicted that!

And that!

I didn't predict that.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:06:56 PM
We rule man.


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: princedpw on January 14, 2019, 08:07:35 PM
people seemed upset with our effort in the first? I kinda thought we dominated the prime chances ... maybe I was wrong?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
THAT ONE COUNTS BOYS
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 08:07:56 PM
Kappa the zappa

Guess who just happened to get back to watch.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:08:02 PM
Youíve got to be kidding me with this review. 

Goal wonít count.  NHL is a joke with these reviews.  Leafs keep getting burned.  Bettman and NHL have truly made the NHL a niche sport with their abysmal mismanagement.

Letís see if the league will cheat the leafs now. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:08:10 PM
Review this, @sswipes.


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 08:08:37 PM
When they put the clock back on the disallowed goal did Kapanen score at the exact same time after time resumed?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bates on January 14, 2019, 08:09:31 PM
Can't watch game, why was goal called back?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 14, 2019, 08:09:57 PM
Fredo did some nice work on that Goal.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 08:10:05 PM
When they put the clock back on the disallowed goal did Kapanen score at the exact same time after time resumed?

Faster.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:10:14 PM
Can't watch game, why was goal called back?

Offside. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:10:29 PM
Have the leafs ever benefited from the offside review? 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:12:38 PM
Review this, @sswipes.


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You're out of your lane, but I like it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:13:29 PM
When they put the clock back on the disallowed goal did Kapanen score at the exact same time after time resumed?

It was actually before.  16:28 left on disallowed one.  16:32 left on allowed one. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:13:53 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 08:15:08 PM
Guess who was away from the screen for 4 min getting dinner.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:15:52 PM
Man was that a lazy play by Tavares.   Loses the draw and gives zero effort to tie up his man, who scores.   

Every game there is too many fully lazy plays. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:15:57 PM
92>91
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:20:02 PM
Avs outshooting leafs 20-9. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:20:19 PM
We stink dudes..
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:21:06 PM
OMG Naz.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
Wow.  Of course.   Kadri, what a brutal play.   So bad. 

This team is trash right now. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 14, 2019, 08:21:40 PM
L
Guess who was away from the screen for 4 min getting dinner.

Iím benching you until midway through the 3rd
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:21:53 PM
Kadri needs to be benched.  Permanently. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 08:22:37 PM
Kadri sucks. His level of give a damn this season seems at an all time low.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 08:24:06 PM
Kadri needs to be benched.  Permanently.

Totes. Trade him for........ Anything.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:24:44 PM
And this is the team people are convinced will beat the bruins?  Come on people. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:25:33 PM
Kadri needs to be benched.  Permanently.

This is over the top but Kadri has indeed been a fish out of water all season.  He went from having well-defined roles to being unable to carry any kind of positive identity from game to game.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 08:25:53 PM
L
Guess who was away from the screen for 4 min getting dinner.

Iím benching you until midway through the 3rd

So funny thing, I sat down to see that score and then looked away to fill in a form and heard Ratanen strip Kadri and rip it home.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 08:27:36 PM
And this is the team people are convinced will beat the bruins?  Come on people.
Dey in a slump bro. It'll turn around at some point.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 08:27:52 PM
This is not a good effort.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Nylander forced pass leads to turnover.   I donít understand this PP. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 08:28:30 PM
Should boardings be auto majors?

Should the net POV PP camera angle be shot into the sun?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:29:02 PM
We stink dudes.


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:29:32 PM
And this is the team people are convinced will beat the bruins?  Come on people.
Dey in a slump bro. It'll turn around at some point.

Yeah.  When we play bad teams.  Itís not about a slump or not. Itís effort. They keep saying they need to work harder and then when the puck drops they look listless.  Completely disinterested. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 08:29:38 PM
What's Gardiner's problem?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 08:29:46 PM
Soderberg gets the MotM

He wears a goal scorerís number.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
Good freaking God.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
Lol tell me again Gardiner is worth anything.

This team sucks.  Gardiner leads the way.   
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 14, 2019, 08:30:28 PM
Bad Jake TM
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 08:31:05 PM
Hahahahahaha Gardiner hahahahahaha
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:31:13 PM
What's Gardiner's problem?

He sucks.  How much more evidence do people need?   

I simply canít understand why people keep defending Gardiner.  He is abysmal.   
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on January 14, 2019, 08:32:01 PM
Looks like Jake is trying to get the AAV down a bit for his next contract.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Damian on January 14, 2019, 08:32:13 PM
Totally agree
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 08:33:05 PM
One or two a game, if not more.  This team is in need of line up changes
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on January 14, 2019, 08:33:38 PM
We look like poo
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:34:53 PM
Up 2-0 at home against a team in a tailspin.  Actually, outplayed all game. 

It's not acceptable.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on January 14, 2019, 08:36:01 PM
And this is the team people are convinced will beat the bruins?  Come on people.
Not making excuses but can't Boston say the same thing about whatever team? We're basically the same in terms of points.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 08:36:18 PM
29-12 in shots. This is going well
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:37:42 PM
Up 2-0 at home against a team in a tailspin.  Actually, outplayed all game. 

It's not acceptable.

This is kind of what has happened With Babcock last couple of seasons.  Lazy efforts.  No changes and play down to their opponents. 

This isnít a fun team to watch because they donít skate hard.   Get up 2-0 and then completely quit.  And then after the game we will hear how good of a player Gardiner is. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 08:38:00 PM
It's like the Leafs get frustrated when other teams try against them.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:38:27 PM
29-12 in shots. This is going well

They are getting thoroughly dominated.  They donít move their feet.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on January 14, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Blue and white disease fully set in.  This team is shit.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 14, 2019, 08:39:03 PM
Hahaha Gardiner at his best again. But he's good remember.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:39:40 PM
And this is the team people are convinced will beat the bruins?  Come on people.
Not making excuses but can't Boston say the same thing about whatever team? We're basically the same in terms of points.

Itís a mirage that the leafs have more points. The bruins are a vastly superior team as it stands.  They have proven that head to head. 

Tavares. Another awful game.  Man.  Nothing is going right. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:40:30 PM
Tavares has been full value all season ... until these last 2 games.  Another bad effort.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 14, 2019, 08:42:01 PM
What's Gardiner's problem?

He sucks.  How much more evidence do people need?   

I simply canít understand why people keep defending Gardiner.  He is abysmal.

Because your hyperbolic nonsense is precisely what it is.   Constant overreaction to every single negative thing and wonderful silence when the Leafs are doing well.

That you seem incapable of recognizing that Gardiner is most certainly not useless is a far better analysis of your lack of interpretation.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 14, 2019, 08:43:33 PM
Tavares has been full value all season ... until these last 2 games.  Another bad effort.
No one is playing 82 great games
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:43:40 PM
What's Gardiner's problem?

He sucks.  How much more evidence do people need?   

I simply canít understand why people keep defending Gardiner.  He is abysmal.

Because your hyperbolic nonsense is precisely what it is.   Constant overreaction to every single negative thing and wonderful silence when the Leafs are doing well.

That you seem incapable of recognizing that Gardiner is most certainly not useless is a far better analysis of your lack of interpretation.

Check the record.   That ainít true. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:45:29 PM
Also, Gardiner didnít get another shift after he handed the avs a goal.  So Babcock finally seems to have taken notice. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 08:45:43 PM
The Leafs are 22-2 when scoring first but don't win much trailing after the 2nd.

So...probably 22-3 after tonight.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
Also, Gardiner didnít get another shift after he handed the avs a goal.  So Babcock finally seems to have taken notice.
I mean the entire team is garbage tonight. Tavares and Marner are both -3 and Mitch was the original giveaway on that Gardiner mistake, so, bench everything tonight?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
Watching people defend Gardiner is infinitely more entertaining than watching this game.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 08:52:32 PM
Tampa next up. Can't wait to see these bumbling fools get blown out. You watchin' Dubas?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 08:54:18 PM
In all seriousness though, teams have bad games. It's just hard to watch them after a loss and against a team that is basically on life support.

This should have been like kicking a puppy through a fan. I'd be pissed if I paid for this.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 08:56:42 PM
Tampa next up. Can't wait to see these bumbling fools get blown out. You watchin' Dubas?

Dubas needs to make some moves, starting with Babcock imo. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:56:45 PM
Tavares has been full value all season ... until these last 2 games.  Another bad effort.
No one is playing 82 great games

Nope, it doesn't happen.  It just stands out more for JT.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 14, 2019, 08:58:38 PM
In all seriousness though, teams have bad games. It's just hard to watch them after a loss and against a team that is basically on life support.

This should have been like kicking a puppy through a fan. I'd be pissed if I paid for this.

Colorado hasnít been winning, but theyíve been playing very well in their last few games. Controlling the play. Theyíve been let down by their goaltending. If the Leafs thought tonight was going to easy, they were in for the surprise theyíre facing.

Tonight was never going to be easy. No night in this league is, but this was not the mismatch people thought.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
13 SOG from this crew is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:04:06 PM
Booing Gardiner when he touches the puck is not very sportsmanlike.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
We rule BTW...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 09:05:09 PM
In all seriousness though, teams have bad games. It's just hard to watch them after a loss and against a team that is basically on life support.

This should have been like kicking a puppy through a fan. I'd be pissed if I paid for this.
Sometimes those are the worst teams to play against, you get a desperate enough team with talent and they come out like this.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Rob on January 14, 2019, 09:05:18 PM
MITCH!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
Lets boo Gardiner out of town, just like we did Larry Murphy.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 09:07:12 PM
Booing Gardiner when he touches the puck is not very sportsmanlike.
It's stupid is what it is.  While they were booing him he won the puck off a Colorado player and hit Johnsson with a pass at the Colorado blueline, but yeah anyone do that.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:07:35 PM
Leafs fan boo Gardiner and then the leafs score.  All is right in the world. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:08:55 PM
Booing Gardiner when he touches the puck is not very sportsmanlike.
It's stupid is what it is.  While they were booing him he won the puck off a Colorado player and hit Johnsson with a pass at the Colorado blueline, but yeah anyone do that.

It was beautiful.  Booing in sports is one of the best things about sports. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 09:09:09 PM
Lets boo Gardiner out of town, just like we did Larry Murphy.
Remind me, did Murphy win a Cup after that?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:09:15 PM
You know, I get that booing someone on your team is, at least at first glance, stupid.  But TO's crowds are like a morgue.  So in this case, hey, at least it sends a message of dissatisfaction.  Maybe that gets Gardiner's attention.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:13:07 PM
[Remind me, did Murphy win a Cup after that?

Did that make him a good Maple Leaf?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 09:13:46 PM
[Remind me, did Murphy win a Cup after that?

Did that make him a good Maple Leaf?
It made the problem not Murphy but instead the Leafs. Do you disagree the Leafs were crappy?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:16:03 PM
You know, I get that booing someone on your team is, at least at first glance, stupid.  But TO's crowds are like a morgue.  So in this case, hey, at least it sends a message of dissatisfaction.  Maybe that gets Gardiner's attention.

This is the biggest problem with the leafs franchise. The leafs donít get a home ice advantage.  The crowd is like neutral site. 

I grew up on the Detroit Lions, and although they have never once been good, the fans are into it.  Leafs donít get that. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:17:10 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:19:35 PM
Freddie joining the bad effort.   I donít get this team.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:21:31 PM
Get down 1 late and then the avs completely take it to you the next two shifts. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:22:10 PM
[Remind me, did Murphy win a Cup after that?

Did that make him a good Maple Leaf?
It made the problem not Murphy but instead the Leafs. Do you disagree the Leafs were crappy?

Just reminds me too much like we're behaving like ReHab fans.  Like how they booed Patrice Briseby all those years, and finally out of town.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:28:12 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 09:28:17 PM
Thanks Babcock
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:28:45 PM
Pull the goalie with 3 mins.  Hate it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 09:28:52 PM
Hahahahahaha hahahahahaha!!!!!!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:28:57 PM
HAR HAR HAR
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:29:10 PM
They score immediately.  Babcock is worse than all of them. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
Quenneville still looking for work?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 09:29:38 PM
Scrum the draw, typically soft play by the Leafs. Game over.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
Matthews completely outworked. Every player that is snakebitten deserves it.   No one is skating hard. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
We stink dudes...


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 14, 2019, 09:30:31 PM
Let's boo the empty net now.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:30:41 PM
We suck.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TML fan on January 14, 2019, 09:31:28 PM
I love how much the Leafs dump the puck in considering how allergic to physical play they are.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:31:44 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: tomcom on January 14, 2019, 09:32:13 PM
We stink!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:34:02 PM
I love how much the Leafs dump the puck in considering how allergic to physical play they are.

We beat them with our skill,... Oh wait....
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Damian on January 14, 2019, 09:35:54 PM
Looks like Nylander is working hard to serve as a warning
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:35:58 PM
I noticed Willie tonight.... For about one period.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 14, 2019, 09:36:12 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.
Please..its all Bab's fault.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on January 14, 2019, 09:37:18 PM
Seems other teams have upped their games into the second half and this team hasnít.  Thinking they can win games with their skill.  At this rate they will be a wild card team.  That may be better because they certainly canít compete with Boston.  Another first round exit.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:38:55 PM
Thank god the contract of Jake the Mistake is up after this season.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:39:18 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:39:56 PM
Seems other teams have upped their games into the second half and this team hasnít.  Thinking they can win games with their skill.  At this rate they will be a wild card team.  That may be better because they certainly canít compete with Boston.  Another first round exit.

Every team has slumps but going 1-7 or whatever recently against playoff teams is a pretty sure sign of basic weaknesses that need to be addressed.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 09:40:53 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.
Overreaction Monday is it?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

I get frustrated with Babcock too but honestly man, you don't do your credibility any favors by calling for the coach to be fired when the team is 28-15-2.  That isn't happening, and it shouldn't happen.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on January 14, 2019, 09:45:08 PM
Seems other teams have upped their games into the second half and this team hasnít.  Thinking they can win games with their skill.  At this rate they will be a wild card team.  That may be better because they certainly canít compete with Boston.  Another first round exit.

Every team has slumps but going 1-7 or whatever recently against playoff teams is a pretty sure sign of basic weaknesses that need to be addressed.
Agreed.  I think this collection of players seems to have difficulty taking their game to another level when required to match the intensity of the opponent.  It will be interesting to see the reaction against Tampa.  You know Babcock will be doing everything he can to motivate them.  If they have another poor performance I think there are serious concerns.

We really need Matthews and Tavares to step up.  They have not been good of late.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on January 14, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
Ok...I am optimistic the Av's will break out of their slump tonight....

The more I anticipate a great game by the Leafs the more they disappoint.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 09:53:30 PM
Where's the leadership gone? Marleau? Kadri? Tavares? I'm pretty sick of Bab's excuses. As for Gauthier, why is he still here? Surely someone at the farm could offer something more. I would like to see a shake up of some sort, Trevor Moore at least showed a bit of energy, moved his feet.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 09:53:55 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

I get frustrated with Babcock too but honestly man, you don't do your credibility any favors by calling for the coach to be fired when the team is 28-15-2.  That isn't happening, and it shouldn't happen.


Devils fired Ftorek with 9 games left in a season.  They were in similar playoff position. Went on to win the Stanley cup.   Leafs have a decent record because they have a lot of talent.  But the talent is under performing.   

Nylander 3 points in 17 games.  Matthews 1 goal in 10 games.  Gardiner playing the worst of his career.   Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 14, 2019, 09:56:41 PM
Quenneville still looking for work?

I would rather have Joel. Babcock is a moron and again how was Gardiner tonight guys. All I saw was the one goal and that was enough.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:57:04 PM
Tavares is not the problem.  He's been consistently the best forward night in and night out.  I'll say it again, these last 2 bad games stick out all the more because he's been so good all the time up 'til then.

Matthews also had a good game up until that first EN goal.  He's not the problem.

I do wonder whether not having a captain is a bit of a liability in slumps like this.  I expect Tavares as the senior A wearer may assume the role of leading in the dressing room, but in the olden days right about now the C might call a players-only meeting.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

I get frustrated with Babcock too but honestly man, you don't do your credibility any favors by calling for the coach to be fired when the team is 28-15-2.  That isn't happening, and it shouldn't happen.


Devils fired Ftorek with 9 games left in a season.  They were in similar playoff position. Went on to win the Stanley cup.   Leafs have a decent record because they have a lot of talent.  But the talent is under performing.   

Nylander 3 points in 17 games.  Matthews 1 goal in 10 games.  Gardiner playing the worst of his career.   Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Your valid criticisms of Babcock get undermined when you try to push this as a serious thing.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 14, 2019, 10:07:49 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

I get frustrated with Babcock too but honestly man, you don't do your credibility any favors by calling for the coach to be fired when the team is 28-15-2.  That isn't happening, and it shouldn't happen.


Devils fired Ftorek with 9 games left in a season.  They were in similar playoff position. Went on to win the Stanley cup.   Leafs have a decent record because they have a lot of talent.  But the talent is under performing.   

Nylander 3 points in 17 games.  Matthews 1 goal in 10 games.  Gardiner playing the worst of his career.   Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Your valid criticisms of Babcock get undermined when you try to push this as a serious thing.

Where do you draw the line?  If the leafs lose in the first round, or miss the playoffs then can you have serious debate?   Or does he get next year as well, no matter what?   Leafs are 6 points from being out of the playoffs, with this roster and no one is concerned. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on January 14, 2019, 10:10:27 PM

I would rather have Joel. Babcock is a moron and again how was Gardiner tonight guys. All I saw was the one goal and that was enough.

Can't wait to listen to the same old regurgitation from Babs in the presser. I'm in full support of the booing of Jake and any other player who continually costs the team games. Too often, too many players here get a free pass, and it seems the coaching staff do nothing to curb this.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 14, 2019, 10:11:44 PM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

I get frustrated with Babcock too but honestly man, you don't do your credibility any favors by calling for the coach to be fired when the team is 28-15-2.  That isn't happening, and it shouldn't happen.


Devils fired Ftorek with 9 games left in a season.  They were in similar playoff position. Went on to win the Stanley cup.   Leafs have a decent record because they have a lot of talent.  But the talent is under performing.   

Nylander 3 points in 17 games.  Matthews 1 goal in 10 games.  Gardiner playing the worst of his career.   Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Your valid criticisms of Babcock get undermined when you try to push this as a serious thing.

Where do you draw the line?  If the leafs lose in the first round, or miss the playoffs then can you have serious debate?   Or does he get next year as well, no matter what?   Leafs are 6 points from being out of the playoffs, with this roster and no one is concerned.

If they miss the playoffs or get smoked in the 1st round, absolutely you have this conversation but even then I don't think he'd get fired.  Even if Dubas were inclined in those cases (which I doubt) Shanahan wouldn't allow it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on January 14, 2019, 11:27:35 PM
Me, 20 minutes ago: "I missed the game, I'll go read the GDT for an objective summary of what happened."

Me, now:

(http://static0.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/2/4/4/small2/44246980.jpg)
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on January 14, 2019, 11:32:19 PM
Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Jesus, man. Marner is on pace to have the highest-scoring season of any Leafs winger -- ever. All you can do is claim he plays lazy too often?

Their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team? I don't even....
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 15, 2019, 01:09:05 AM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

I get frustrated with Babcock too but honestly man, you don't do your credibility any favors by calling for the coach to be fired when the team is 28-15-2.  That isn't happening, and it shouldn't happen.

If we didn't have Andersen the team would not be 28-15-2 I'm sorry.
The record is not due to Babcock.
Team is kinda just going through the motions the last few years with the same weaknesses that management has failed to improve.
Coaching staff has not improved the TEAM DEFENCE since he arrived.
What the f do they see? Game in game out.What the f does he get 7 million dollars a year for? Hasn't addressed or improved the things that have been costing us since his hiring.
I personally don't think Babcock is getting these guys to play to their potential.
Personally I don't think some of them want to play for him and his mismanagement of players is downright frustrating.
You look at a team like Vegas last year making it all the way to the finals. With who. Most on here couldn't name a half dozen players besides Fleury.
We have so much more talent on this team and with a Vezina contending goalie who's played lights out for the season.
Again where would we be without Freddy?
I can tell you.
Not in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 15, 2019, 01:29:55 AM
Me, 20 minutes ago: "I missed the game, I'll go read the GDT for an objective summary of what happened."

Me, now:

(http://static0.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/2/4/4/small2/44246980.jpg)


LOL!

Me, I was yelling at the tv...Ēyou dumbbells, wake up!Ē  🤨

Actually, Gardinerís Three Stooges-like faux pas had me...😳🙆‍♀️🤬
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 15, 2019, 01:42:44 AM
Andersen played fairly well considering he missed nearly a month of play.

The Leafs basically hung him out to dry.  He made key stops and despite everything, kept his team in the game.

Itís worth noting that the team has been getting basically nothing out of guys like Kadri, Lindholm, Nylander, and yes, Matthews (even though the latter has one goal in his last ten games, letís cut him some slack in the assists department).  When you think about it, canít help wondering if the Leafs have become too Ďpredictableí, and still lack that mental toughness that Babcock alludes to, the playing heavy part which that is a large part of.

The fans booing Gardiner, well no one is a fan of hearing a rain of boos but in this case it was warranted.  Gardiner is an enigma.  Talented at times yet still prone to making the kind of mistakes ó be it a stray pass or being out of position, or failing to read the play correctly or taking proper defensive action ó that leave one wondering where he ever learned defence.  Heís been with the Maple Leafs for so long now that he should have polished his game a notch. 

Leafs will take the day off tomorrow then back to practice.  Hopefully, they can regroup and take it from there.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: IJustLurkHere on January 15, 2019, 04:02:09 AM

The fans booing Gardiner, well no one is a fan of hearing a rain of boos but in this case it was warranted.

No. Hockey fandom is a wide church, but anyone who was booing Gardiner is a moron.

There is literally nothing easier in the world than being a sports fan: cheer for the guy wearing your jersey. There is no upside to booing, there is downside, the boo birds people just failed at lifeís easiest task.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2019, 04:53:40 AM
Nylander 3 points in 17 games.  Matthews 1 goal in 10 games.  Gardiner playing the worst of his career.   Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Please, in all your hockey wisdom, tell me how the above complaint falls on Babcock's plate? Blaming the coach for the lack of effort is an easy, uneducated complaint.

Again, they're a young team. The players we are expecting to be their top players are under 25 years old and in the case of the top 3 forwards(sans Tavares), 22 and younger. They show it. They, as hockey players have two choices, learn to overcome it and grow from the diversity they face early in their careers, or write themselves into the history books as extremely talented players that just didn't give a crap. Crazier things have happened and better teams have never realized success. Here's the thing, you're looking at a two week window and screaming that you want heads to roll. Seems a bit shortsighted.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: princedpw on January 15, 2019, 06:41:03 AM
Things going bad?  Play the leafs.   

If Iím Dubas, Babcock doesnít make it to Tampa.

Oh get real.  Let's not go stark raving crazy on our grief.

Step back for a minute. When has Babcock ever motivated this group to play above their head for any stretch?  They always under perform.  Even that aside, the lackluster play for most of the past 2 years is hard to watch. The leafs show up expecting to win just because they showed up.   And nothing ever changes.  PP changed players, but same dumb seam pass strategy remains.  Leafs refuse to play physical, yet employ a dump and chase game.  For the makeup of this team the entire game plan is obsurdly wrong.  This is bad coaching more than itís anythign else.

The playoffs against Washington?  That whole year when they unexpectedly made the playoffs?  The last game against Tampa where they dominated most of the game but lost?

I have some minor things to complain about but I always do with any coach and with any GM.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: princedpw on January 15, 2019, 06:52:54 AM
Me, 20 minutes ago: "I missed the game, I'll go read the GDT for an objective summary of what happened."

Me, now:

(http://static0.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/2/4/4/small2/44246980.jpg)

If people are this upset after losing a random game in January when the team remains easily top 10 league-wide (and has so many legit allstars they don't all fit on the allstar team), how did you all make it through the last couple of decades?  Why didn't you just end when Kessel was leading us to down the drain year after year?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 15, 2019, 08:40:44 AM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 08:58:12 AM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.

I get the sarcasm, and overall the record is still good, but look at the last stretch, lost 5 out of 7.  Also going back to Dec when Nylander first came back the Leafs are barely over .500, so yes they banked alot of points early, but are on a not so good trajectory right now.

8-7-2 over the last 17 games, actually more losses than wins.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: TimKerr on January 15, 2019, 09:01:04 AM

The fans booing Gardiner, well no one is a fan of hearing a rain of boos but in this case it was warranted.

No. Hockey fandom is a wide church, but anyone who was booing Gardiner is a moron.

There is literally nothing easier in the world than being a sports fan: cheer for the guy wearing your jersey. There is no upside to booing, there is downside, the boo birds people just failed at lifeís easiest task.

I watched the highlights on TSN again and in the 2nd period, Dermott goes behind the night and blindly throws the puck backhanded right to an Avs player who has an amazing chance but Andersen makes an even better save and the puck gets cleared away. So no goal on the play and no one is complaining about Dermott's defensive woes. The fact is dmen make mistakes, all the time, I just think Gardiner gets picked on because of last year's game 7. Just like McCabe before him and Murphy before him.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 09:04:10 AM

The fans booing Gardiner, well no one is a fan of hearing a rain of boos but in this case it was warranted.

No. Hockey fandom is a wide church, but anyone who was booing Gardiner is a moron.

There is literally nothing easier in the world than being a sports fan: cheer for the guy wearing your jersey. There is no upside to booing, there is downside, the boo birds people just failed at lifeís easiest task.

I watched the highlights on TSN again and in the 2nd period, Dermott goes behind the night and blindly throws the puck backhanded right to an Avs player who has an amazing chance but Andersen makes an even better save and the puck gets cleared away. So no goal on the play and no one is complaining about Dermott's defensive woes. The fact is dmen make mistakes, all the time, I just think Gardiner gets picked on because of last year's game 7. Just like McCabe before him and Murphy before him.

It's a great selling point for free agents thinking about coming to Toronto.  "Regardless of how many times you tilt the ice in the teams favor, it you make key mistakes the fans might turn on you one day and boo you out of town.  All good?  Sign here"
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: cabber24 on January 15, 2019, 09:13:02 AM
Shake off the BS and peak at playoff time, especially Babcock.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 15, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
Best Leaf player of the night...Nylander.  Well, maybe...

Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: lc9 on January 15, 2019, 09:17:02 AM
Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Jesus, man. Marner is on pace to have the highest-scoring season of any Leafs winger -- ever. All you can do is claim he plays lazy too often?

Their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team? I don't even....

Are you arguing that the leafs donít dump and chase? 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
I watched the highlights on TSN again and in the 2nd period, Dermott goes behind the night and blindly throws the puck backhanded right to an Avs player who has an amazing chance but Andersen makes an even better save and the puck gets cleared away. So no goal on the play and no one is complaining about Dermott's defensive woes. The fact is dmen make mistakes, all the time, I just think Gardiner gets picked on because of last year's game 7. Just like McCabe before him and Murphy before him.

Pfft typical Flyers fan coming over here to our boards and spouting complete...ly rational analysis.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: cabber24 on January 15, 2019, 09:22:50 AM
Conclusions: Babs is fumbling, and our defense is still not good enough.

Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: cabber24 on January 15, 2019, 09:23:58 AM
I watched the highlights on TSN again and in the 2nd period, Dermott goes behind the night and blindly throws the puck backhanded right to an Avs player who has an amazing chance but Andersen makes an even better save and the puck gets cleared away. So no goal on the play and no one is complaining about Dermott's defensive woes. The fact is dmen make mistakes, all the time, I just think Gardiner gets picked on because of last year's game 7. Just like McCabe before him and Murphy before him.

Pfft typical Flyers fan coming over here to our boards and spouting complete...ly rational analysis.
Should have given JVR $7M x 5...hatty last night.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 15, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Here are some unsolicited thoughts:

A) The Leafs are under performing what this roster should be capable of on paper (in pockets of play)
B) The Leafs have not had a full roster until yesterday (sorry Ennis)
C) The Leafs, with all of the above accounted for, still have 58 pts in 45 games, which is on pace for 105 pts

My only conclusion is, when this team starts to click, when Matthews and Nylander and Kadri and to a lesser extent Gardiner and Kadri get going, this team will be even scarier.

I think Babcock is handling this correctly, with patience, and preaching work before skill. Skill establishes your ceiling (gotta have skill), but work is what gets you up there. As OldTimeHockey mentioned in the previous thread, this is a young team and at times it shows.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 15, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
Here are some unsolicited thoughts:

A) The Leafs are under performing what this roster should be capable of on paper (in pockets of play)
B) The Leafs have not had a full roster until yesterday (sorry Ennis)
C) The Leafs, with all of the above accounted for, still have 58 pts in 45 games, which is on pace for 105 pts

My only conclusion is, when this team starts to click, when Matthews and Nylander and Kadri and to a lesser extent Gardiner and Kadri get going, this team will be even scarier.

I think Babcock is handling this correctly, with patience, and preaching work before skill. Skill establishes your ceiling (gotta have skill), but work is what gets you up there. As OldTimeHockey mentioned in the previous thread, this is a young team and at times it shows.


I think Leafs' fans are in panic button mode.

If the playoffs were to commence today, the Leafs' opponent would be the Bruins.  Does that sound encouraging?   Not when Boston dominated their season series over Toronto,  not with the way the Maple Leafs played Saturday night (Boston), snd not especially last night (Colorado).

No.  It's going to take a lot more skill, patience, and preparedness to beat teams who harbour that mental toughness which Babcock likes to call playing "heavy".

Oh yes, better defence, too.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
Here are some unsolicited thoughts:

A) The Leafs are under performing what this roster should be capable of on paper (in pockets of play)
B) The Leafs have not had a full roster until yesterday (sorry Ennis)
C) The Leafs, with all of the above accounted for, still have 58 pts in 45 games, which is on pace for 105 pts

My only conclusion is, when this team starts to click, when Matthews and Nylander and Kadri and to a lesser extent Gardiner and Kadri get going, this team will be even scarier.

I think Babcock is handling this correctly, with patience, and preaching work before skill. Skill establishes your ceiling (gotta have skill), but work is what gets you up there. As OldTimeHockey mentioned in the previous thread, this is a young team and at times it shows.


I think Leafs' fans are in panic button mode.

If the playoffs were to commence today, the Leafs' opponent would be the Bruins.  Does that sound encouraging?   Not when Boston dominated their season series over Toronto,  not with the way the Maple Leafs played Saturday night (Boston), snd not especially last night (Colorado).

No.  It's going to take a lot more skill, patience, and preparedness to beat teams who harbour that mental toughness which Babcock likes to call playing "heavy".

Oh yes, better defence, too.

When the Leafs were playing great, their first round opponent was still going to likely be Boston.

As for Saturday's game, the Leafs were the better team so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 15, 2019, 12:35:46 PM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.

I get the sarcasm, and overall the record is still good, but look at the last stretch, lost 5 out of 7.  Also going back to Dec when Nylander first came back the Leafs are barely over .500, so yes they banked alot of points early, but are on a not so good trajectory right now.

8-7-2 over the last 17 games, actually more losses than wins.

Sure and so because they are in a slump we need to scream about Babcock being fired or Gardiner being absolutely useless.  The hyperbole over every stretch is getting way out of hand.  You arenít going to find many happy with how the team has played in the last month but Iím not sure Iím going to be too fussed about the team performance in earynJanuary when we lost Matthews for a good stretch, had Nylander gone for essentially three months and just lost our goalie for a few weeks.

If we are playing like this in March we are in trouble but the team is on 105 point pace and there are some acting like we are a bottom tier team without a first round pick.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on January 15, 2019, 12:37:18 PM
Marner and Tavares have been really good, but even they still play with a lazy mindset too often.  This has to be the leafs physical team in the league and their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team.  There is good reason they continually get outplayed.

Jesus, man. Marner is on pace to have the highest-scoring season of any Leafs winger -- ever. All you can do is claim he plays lazy too often?

Their entire game plan is geared toward a physical team? I don't even....

Are you arguing that the leafs donít dump and chase?

Nope. I'm not arguing that.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2019, 12:37:50 PM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.

I get the sarcasm, and overall the record is still good, but look at the last stretch, lost 5 out of 7.  Also going back to Dec when Nylander first came back the Leafs are barely over .500, so yes they banked alot of points early, but are on a not so good trajectory right now.

8-7-2 over the last 17 games, actually more losses than wins.

Sure and so because they are in a slump we need to scream about Babcock being fired or Gardiner being absolutely useless.  The hyperbole over every stretch is getting way out of hand.

I'm not sure it's new LK or getting out of hand. It's par for the course with this team's fans. There's a reason they're mocked. It's either a parade route or a dumpster fire. There's nothing in between.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 14th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 01:17:44 PM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.

I get the sarcasm, and overall the record is still good, but look at the last stretch, lost 5 out of 7.  Also going back to Dec when Nylander first came back the Leafs are barely over .500, so yes they banked alot of points early, but are on a not so good trajectory right now.

8-7-2 over the last 17 games, actually more losses than wins.

Sure and so because they are in a slump we need to scream about Babcock being fired or Gardiner being absolutely useless.  The hyperbole over every stretch is getting way out of hand.  You arenít going to find many happy with how the team has played in the last month but Iím not sure Iím going to be too fussed about the team performance in earynJanuary when we lost Matthews for a good stretch, had Nylander gone for essentially three months and just lost our goalie for a few weeks.

If we are playing like this in March we are in trouble but the team is on 105 point pace and there are some acting like we are a bottom tier team without a first round pick.

I hear you, but the Leafs need to turn this around or they lose home-ice advantage in the first round to Boston.  They've already had issues against the Bruins, not having home ice against them yet again would be not good.
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Post by: Deebo on January 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.

I get the sarcasm, and overall the record is still good, but look at the last stretch, lost 5 out of 7.  Also going back to Dec when Nylander first came back the Leafs are barely over .500, so yes they banked alot of points early, but are on a not so good trajectory right now.

8-7-2 over the last 17 games, actually more losses than wins.

Sure and so because they are in a slump we need to scream about Babcock being fired or Gardiner being absolutely useless.  The hyperbole over every stretch is getting way out of hand.  You arenít going to find many happy with how the team has played in the last month but Iím not sure Iím going to be too fussed about the team performance in earynJanuary when we lost Matthews for a good stretch, had Nylander gone for essentially three months and just lost our goalie for a few weeks.

If we are playing like this in March we are in trouble but the team is on 105 point pace and there are some acting like we are a bottom tier team without a first round pick.

I hear you, but the Leafs need to turn this around or they lose home-ice advantage in the first round to Boston.  They've already had issues against the Bruins, not having home ice against them yet again would be not good.

Has anyone said they don't need to turn it around?

The obviously have to do better than they have in the last month.
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Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 01:26:06 PM
This is literally the worst team I can recall watching.

The worst 3rd most regulation wins in the league.
The worst 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Absolutely the worst.

I get the sarcasm, and overall the record is still good, but look at the last stretch, lost 5 out of 7.  Also going back to Dec when Nylander first came back the Leafs are barely over .500, so yes they banked alot of points early, but are on a not so good trajectory right now.

8-7-2 over the last 17 games, actually more losses than wins.

Sure and so because they are in a slump we need to scream about Babcock being fired or Gardiner being absolutely useless.  The hyperbole over every stretch is getting way out of hand.  You arenít going to find many happy with how the team has played in the last month but Iím not sure Iím going to be too fussed about the team performance in earynJanuary when we lost Matthews for a good stretch, had Nylander gone for essentially three months and just lost our goalie for a few weeks.

If we are playing like this in March we are in trouble but the team is on 105 point pace and there are some acting like we are a bottom tier team without a first round pick.

I hear you, but the Leafs need to turn this around or they lose home-ice advantage in the first round to Boston.  They've already had issues against the Bruins, not having home ice against them yet again would be not good.

Has anyone said they don't need to turn it around?

The obviously have to do better than they have in the last month.

I'm just saying that's where most of this frustration from Leafs fans is coming from.  Sure it's great that they have a good record still and are still on pace for 108 points, but that's dropping fast, they were well ahead of that pace a month ago.  If you're all about trends, the Leafs are trending in the wrong direction and I just hope it doesn't snowball. They should be a lot better than this.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2019, 01:32:11 PM
Just checking because I don't think anybody brought it up here... but we're all in agreement that Soderberg's SHG that was caused by a Gardiner lost battle was an entirely stoppable shot, right? Blame Jake all you want, but that's a save that Andersen should have easily made.
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Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
Just checking because I don't think anybody brought it up here... but we're all in agreement that Soderberg's SHG that was caused by a Gardiner lost battle was an entirely stoppable shot, right? Blame Jake all you want, but that's a save that Andersen should have easily made.

I mean it was a comedy of errors on that play.  Marner's original giveaway, Jake's "body position" error and sure Andersen could have had it, but he probably wasn't expecting a shot and thought Gardiner would control the puck there.  There's enough blame to go around.
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Post by: Deebo on January 15, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
I'm just saying that's where most of this frustration from Leafs fans is coming from.  Sure it's great that they have a good record still and are still on pace for 108 points, but that's dropping fast, they were well ahead of that pace a month ago.  If you're all about trends, the Leafs are trending in the wrong direction and I just hope it doesn't snowball. They should be a lot better than this.

Yup, the record hasn't been good for the last 7 games. But for some reason you frame it like its been 17 games by saying they are 8-7-2 in the last 17.

The first 10 of those 17 were 6-2-2 and the last 7 were 2-5-0 and to me the Islanders and Avalanche games were the ones that stuck out as poor outings. The other 5 were either wins were decent enough performances IMO. But the way things read around here at times would have you believe things are much worse.
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Post by: Guilt Trip on January 15, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
The Gardiner goal was brutal.  As for the fans booing him, I guess they can do what they want but it seems many are fed up with his gaffes. I personally don't like it but he did kind of deserve it. That was an awesome display on how not to play D. Marner's giveaway to start the whole thing was brutal to.
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Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 01:56:28 PM
I'm just saying that's where most of this frustration from Leafs fans is coming from.  Sure it's great that they have a good record still and are still on pace for 108 points, but that's dropping fast, they were well ahead of that pace a month ago.  If you're all about trends, the Leafs are trending in the wrong direction and I just hope it doesn't snowball. They should be a lot better than this.

Yup, the record hasn't been good for the last 7 games. But for some reason you frame it like its been 17 games by saying they are 8-7-2 in the last 17.

The first 10 of those 17 were 6-2-2 and the last 7 were 2-5-0 and to me the Islanders and Avalanche games were the ones that stuck out as poor outings. The other 5 were either wins were decent enough performances IMO. But the way things read around here at times would have you believe things are much worse.

I go back to 17 games because it encompasses their 2 meetings with Boston and 1 with Tampa.  Sure they were 6-2-2 like you said, but 5 of those wins were against not so great teams like Carolina, NJ, Florida, Rangers and Red Wings.  They've lost 2 to Boston, 1 to Tampa and 1 to Nashville, all good teams.  It's a bit concerning.
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Post by: Deebo on January 15, 2019, 02:06:04 PM
I'm just saying that's where most of this frustration from Leafs fans is coming from.  Sure it's great that they have a good record still and are still on pace for 108 points, but that's dropping fast, they were well ahead of that pace a month ago.  If you're all about trends, the Leafs are trending in the wrong direction and I just hope it doesn't snowball. They should be a lot better than this.

Yup, the record hasn't been good for the last 7 games. But for some reason you frame it like its been 17 games by saying they are 8-7-2 in the last 17.

The first 10 of those 17 were 6-2-2 and the last 7 were 2-5-0 and to me the Islanders and Avalanche games were the ones that stuck out as poor outings. The other 5 were either wins were decent enough performances IMO. But the way things read around here at times would have you believe things are much worse.

I go back to 17 games because it encompasses their 2 meetings with Boston and 1 with Tampa.  Sure they were 6-2-2 like you said, but 5 of those wins were against not so great teams like Carolina, NJ, Florida, Rangers and Red Wings.  They've lost 2 to Boston, 1 to Tampa and 1 to Nashville, all good teams.  It's a bit concerning.

The tone around here doesn't line up with "a bit concerning", which is the point being made.
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Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 02:08:35 PM
I'm just saying that's where most of this frustration from Leafs fans is coming from.  Sure it's great that they have a good record still and are still on pace for 108 points, but that's dropping fast, they were well ahead of that pace a month ago.  If you're all about trends, the Leafs are trending in the wrong direction and I just hope it doesn't snowball. They should be a lot better than this.

Yup, the record hasn't been good for the last 7 games. But for some reason you frame it like its been 17 games by saying they are 8-7-2 in the last 17.

The first 10 of those 17 were 6-2-2 and the last 7 were 2-5-0 and to me the Islanders and Avalanche games were the ones that stuck out as poor outings. The other 5 were either wins were decent enough performances IMO. But the way things read around here at times would have you believe things are much worse.

I go back to 17 games because it encompasses their 2 meetings with Boston and 1 with Tampa.  Sure they were 6-2-2 like you said, but 5 of those wins were against not so great teams like Carolina, NJ, Florida, Rangers and Red Wings.  They've lost 2 to Boston, 1 to Tampa and 1 to Nashville, all good teams.  It's a bit concerning.

The tone around here doesn't line up with "a bit concerning", which is the point being made.

Well I'm not of the "fire Babcock, send Gardiner to the moon" club.  I'm just worried that they've looked like garbage against too many teams lately.  I believe it's just a mid-season funk, so I hope they can turn this around soon and solidify that 2nd spot in the division.
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Post by: Deebo on January 15, 2019, 02:15:31 PM
Well I'm not of the "fire Babcock, send Gardiner to the moon" club.  I'm just worried that they've looked like garbage against too many teams lately.  I believe it's just a mid-season funk, so I hope they can turn this around soon and solidify that 2nd spot in the division.

I believe LK's post was referring to those types of comments and that's what you responded to so that's the topic at hand. If that's not you, then fine, but that type of reaction is what I was discussing.
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Post by: TimKerr on January 15, 2019, 02:40:01 PM
Just checking because I don't think anybody brought it up here... but we're all in agreement that Soderberg's SHG that was caused by a Gardiner lost battle was an entirely stoppable shot, right? Blame Jake all you want, but that's a save that Andersen should have easily made.

100%
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2019, 06:59:25 PM
Just checking because I don't think anybody brought it up here... but we're all in agreement that Soderberg's SHG that was caused by a Gardiner lost battle was an entirely stoppable shot, right? Blame Jake all you want, but that's a save that Andersen should have easily made.

100%

I agree, but even with Gardiner out of the equation, how many times can a team look to their goalie and expect him to bail them out. Crap goal, most definitely. But looking at the goalie does not remove any blame to the players on the power play in front of him. Short handed goals should never fall at the feet of the goalie.
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Post by: herman on January 15, 2019, 07:38:01 PM
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2019, 07:56:58 PM
Nope, both terrible defensive plays that would have had any defensemen I coached sitting on the end of the bench.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2019, 08:19:13 PM
Nope, both terrible defensive plays that would have had any defensemen I coached sitting on the end of the bench.

You would have benched Brad Marchand in game 7 of a playoff series? Don't think your NHL coaching career would last very long bud.
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Post by: TML fan on January 16, 2019, 05:02:11 AM
Brad Marchand is not a defenceman. He also dove to try and draw a penalty.
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 16, 2019, 05:57:47 AM
Nope, both terrible defensive plays that would have had any defensemen I coached sitting on the end of the bench.

You would have benched Brad Marchand in game 7 of a playoff series? Don't think your NHL coaching career would last very long bud.

I had no idea where the goal came from and judged the plays solely on what I watched in a short clip. I didn't pay attention to the players that made the play and obviously didn't even really look at the big sign in the middle of the ice. But thanks though...I'll surely take the advice of the board mascot in all my coaching decisions going forward. Do you have a direct line I can reach you at...you know when I'm actually coaching hockey?

I get that the Gardiner team of lawyers are trying hard to justify the soft play he made on the goal by referencing a goal that has nothing to do with the one on Monday, but sadly it doesn't remove his glaring error on the play.
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Post by: herman on January 16, 2019, 07:49:17 AM
https://theathletic.com/768763/2019/01/15/bourne-what-it-really-means-when-a-coach-says-their-team-is-not-working-hard-enough/

I know this is paywalled but it is truly worth spending one of your freebie articles to read this.

Bourne breaks down what it means for a team to get up for game 45 in the midst of an already successful season against a struggling foe (snooze button morning).

He also highlights why Gardiner and Kadri were victimized on these two goals and itís really just a small mental detail that he describes far better than Iíve been able to this season. Itís a big reason why Babcock loves Hyman, Brown, Marleau, Johnsson, Lindholm, etc. (I wrote this before I got to the part of the article where Bourne writes exactly this) and with this teamís roster make up, it was always going to be the corner we have to turn going into the final stretch.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 16, 2019, 08:31:56 AM
I get that the Gardiner team of lawyers are trying hard to justify the soft play he made on the goal by referencing a goal that has nothing to do with the one on Monday, but sadly it doesn't remove his glaring error on the play.

Nobody's justifying it. Nobody has said he didn't make an error. You missed the point of that clip entirely. Jake made a mistake and was beat on that play. But Soderberg also made a great play to use his size and strength to his advantage. Both of those things can be equally true, but as Leafs fan we only ever focus on one side of the equation. I shouldn't even have to explain all that to somebody with 20+ years of coaching experience.
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Post by: Dappleganger on January 16, 2019, 09:11:43 AM
On the play, Jake tries to push the puck into the corner but the puck jumps his stick. That puts Jake in the wrong position defensively. If Andersen is able to make the save I don't think we're even talking about this. It's ultimately a bad bounce. Shit happens.

Do I like what Jake did on the play? No, I would have preferred he maintained defensive position. I don't think it was a soft play, he made the wrong decision.

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Post by: herman on January 16, 2019, 09:41:33 AM
On the play, Jake tries to push the puck into the corner but the puck jumps his stick. That puts Jake in the wrong position defensively. If Andersen is able to make the save I don't think we're even talking about this. It's ultimately a bad bounce. Shit happens.

Do I like what Jake did on the play? No, I would have preferred he maintained defensive position. I don't think it was a soft play, he made the wrong decision.

Yeah it was a bad bounce off his stick that resulted in the turnover. Getting back and establishing body position was very good; the decision to try to immediately turn it up the ice through the middle on his backhand is what exposed Gardiner to Soderberg's extra effort.

I understand why Gardiner did this: he wanted to preserve precious PP time and expedite getting the puck back to the forwards, he's very good at manipulating forecheckers off the puck with his positioning and skating, so he's very confident he could pull it off and they'd catch the PKers on the change. I would've liked him to just shield off Soderberg and steer the play until it was out of the slot, but if I'm the coach I wouldn't ask Jake (or any skilled players) to stop trying to make these plays, just pick more stable spaces to work from.

Andersen relaxed once Jake put Soderberg on his hip, so he was very not ready when the shot materialized.

Here's a 'better' defensieve defenseman:
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Post by: herman on January 16, 2019, 09:51:41 AM

Kapanen is so good on breakways because his acceleration pulls him away from defenders being able to establish effective body position. He doesn't even have to go full speed (which outpaces his hands and brain) because if defenders do catch up, he's very good about blocking their efforts with his rear.

When the Leafs are checking well, it's not the board rattlers or even the actual body contact, it's how they time and target the puckholder's hands with their hips to strip the puck. The reverse is true for when they play heavy and hold the puck well: they use their hips to shield their hands and the puck, using the walls and net to keep the defense reaching (no leverage). Marner's awareness is great helping him adjust position to absorb hits like a Gumby and maintain puck control.

The Leafs overall team speed and skating skill can play Babcock-heavy very well; the only thing missing is staying consistently engaged the whole game, and not cheating on puck battles (stick reaches). It's very fixable.
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Post by: TML fan on January 16, 2019, 12:44:24 PM
The stick reaches annoy me to no end. When I say the Leafs are soft, that is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Post by: Guilt Trip on January 16, 2019, 02:17:33 PM


Here's a 'better' defensieve defenseman:
Haha...When I first saw this I said looks exactly how Gardiner would play it. No body position and reaching with his stick. Make all the excuses of what he was thinking or trying to do. Jake is a very soft offensive defenceman.
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Post by: Zee on January 16, 2019, 02:19:03 PM


Here's a 'better' defensieve defenseman:
Haha...When I first saw this I said looks exactly how Gardiner would play it. No body position and reaching with his stick. Make all the excuses of what he was thinking or trying to do. Jake is a very soft offensive defenceman.

But that's not Jake in the clip?  :-\
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Post by: herman on January 16, 2019, 02:25:58 PM
Haha...When I first saw this I said looks exactly how Gardiner would play it. No body position and reaching with his stick. Make all the excuses of what he was thinking or trying to do. Jake is a very soft offensive defenceman.

But that's not Jake in the clip?  :-\

Yeah none of the Leafs D ever do that amount of nothing even at their most ineffectual.
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Post by: cabber24 on January 16, 2019, 02:37:43 PM
Haha...When I first saw this I said looks exactly how Gardiner would play it. No body position and reaching with his stick. Make all the excuses of what he was thinking or trying to do. Jake is a very soft offensive defenceman.

But that's not Jake in the clip?  :-\

Yeah none of the Leafs D ever do that amount of nothing even at their most ineffectual.
The comment should read "Awful Defense" not "Incredible Goal".
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Post by: Guilt Trip on January 16, 2019, 05:32:28 PM
Haha...When I first saw this I said looks exactly how Gardiner would play it. No body position and reaching with his stick. Make all the excuses of what he was thinking or trying to do. Jake is a very soft offensive defenceman.

But that's not Jake in the clip?  :-\

Yeah none of the Leafs D ever do that amount of nothing even at their most ineffectual.
The comment should read "Awful Defense" not "Incredible Goal".
Ding ding ding...winner!!
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Post by: Dappleganger on January 16, 2019, 05:55:25 PM
On the play, Jake tries to push the puck into the corner but the puck jumps his stick. That puts Jake in the wrong position defensively. If Andersen is able to make the save I don't think we're even talking about this. It's ultimately a bad bounce. Shit happens.

Do I like what Jake did on the play? No, I would have preferred he maintained defensive position. I don't think it was a soft play, he made the wrong decision.

Yeah it was a bad bounce off his stick that resulted in the turnover. Getting back and establishing body position was very good; the decision to try to immediately turn it up the ice through the middle on his backhand is what exposed Gardiner to Soderberg's extra effort.

I understand why Gardiner did this: he wanted to preserve precious PP time and expedite getting the puck back to the forwards, he's very good at manipulating forecheckers off the puck with his positioning and skating, so he's very confident he could pull it off and they'd catch the PKers on the change. I would've liked him to just shield off Soderberg and steer the play until it was out of the slot, but if I'm the coach I wouldn't ask Jake (or any skilled players) to stop trying to make these plays, just pick more stable spaces to work from.

Andersen relaxed once Jake put Soderberg on his hip, so he was very not ready when the shot materialized.

Here's a 'better' defensieve defenseman:

Now THAT was a soft play.
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 16, 2019, 06:26:18 PM
I get that the Gardiner team of lawyers are trying hard to justify the soft play he made on the goal by referencing a goal that has nothing to do with the one on Monday, but sadly it doesn't remove his glaring error on the play.

Nobody's justifying it. Nobody has said he didn't make an error. You missed the point of that clip entirely. Jake made a mistake and was beat on that play. But Soderberg also made a great play to use his size and strength to his advantage. Both of those things can be equally true, but as Leafs fan we only ever focus on one side of the equation. I shouldn't even have to explain all that to somebody with 20+ years of coaching experience.

And I'm not sure where you take my comment that I'd bench the defensemen on the play is taking anything away from the goal scorer? The goal scorer should be applauded in both cases for outworking the other player. That being said, it doesn't remove the defender of blame.

The name of the game in hockey is to outwork your opponent. That's true for the entire game, that's true for each shift and it's true for each individual play. If you don't do it, you'll get beat. Gardiner did not outwork the forward on the play. He lost. The puck went into Toronto's net. He wasn't the only player that took the night off.

IMHO, Gardiner is playing that like he thinks the B's forward is going to turn off of the play(which happens often when PKing). Soderberg didn't. Gardiner looked like crap because of it. The other issue is that once he was beat, he decided to water ski behind the player he just lost the puck to. Personally, I would have preferred my defender hacked the guy. Take a penalty. Whatever. Nothing drives me crazier than a player that makes a mistake(yes they happen to the best of them) and doesn't do their best to try and make up for that mistake.
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Post by: louisstamos on January 17, 2019, 09:39:45 AM
IMHO, Gardiner is playing that like he thinks the B's forward is going to turn off of the play(which happens often when PKing). Soderberg didn't. Gardiner looked like crap because of it. The other issue is that once he was beat, he decided to water ski behind the player he just lost the puck to. Personally, I would have preferred my defender hacked the guy. Take a penalty. Whatever. Nothing drives me crazier than a player that makes a mistake(yes they happen to the best of them) and doesn't do their best to try and make up for that mistake.

If I recall correctly, Gardiner *did* take a penalty on that play for holding - the referee had his arm up.  And Soderberg still scored.
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 17, 2019, 11:03:54 AM
IMHO, Gardiner is playing that like he thinks the B's forward is going to turn off of the play(which happens often when PKing). Soderberg didn't. Gardiner looked like crap because of it. The other issue is that once he was beat, he decided to water ski behind the player he just lost the puck to. Personally, I would have preferred my defender hacked the guy. Take a penalty. Whatever. Nothing drives me crazier than a player that makes a mistake(yes they happen to the best of them) and doesn't do their best to try and make up for that mistake.

If I recall correctly, Gardiner *did* take a penalty on that play for holding - the referee had his arm up.  And Soderberg still scored.

Didn't hold him enough to prevent a goal. Failed attempt ;)