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Title: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
This is an interesting match-up. It's the top-2 centres in hockey right now versus the best top-4 defence in hockey. But it's also arguably the worst defence among all playoff teams vs. the worst centre depth among playoff teams (due to injuries in both cases).

Schedule is below:

Monday, May 29, 8 p.m. ET: Predators at Penguins | NBC, CBC, Sportsnet
Wednesday, May 31, 8 p.m.: Predators at Penguins | NBCSN, CBC, Sportsnet
Saturday, June 3, 8 p.m.: Penguins at Predators | NBCSN, CBC, Sportsnet
Monday, June 5, 8 p.m.: Penguins at Predators | NBC, CBC, Sportsnet
*Thursday, June 8, 8 p.m.: Predators at Penguins | NBC, CBC, Sportsnet
*Sunday, June 11, 8 p.m.: Penguins at Predators | NBC, CBC, Sportsnet
*Wednesday, June 14, 8 p.m.: Predators at Penguins | NBC, CBC, Sportsnet
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 26, 2017, 10:29:40 AM

So is there even really a "Old guy without a cup" to root for? I mean, Fisher I guess? Because I sure would like him to finally catch a break in life.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zee on May 26, 2017, 10:30:50 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Nashville win this thing, although I don't really care about the outcome.  The only reason I say Nashville is to hear all those people in Montreal ripping the PK - Weber trade all over again.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 10:37:52 AM

So is there even really a "Old guy without a cup" to root for? I mean, Fisher I guess? Because I sure would like him to finally catch a break in life.

Ron Hainsey? Mark Streit's an older candidate if he actually gets into games.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 10:39:01 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Nashville win this thing, although I don't really care about the outcome.  The only reason I say Nashville is to hear all those people in Montreal ripping the PK - Weber trade all over again.

Yeah I'd love to see PK win it. But Phil being a 2-time Stanley Cup Champion and Evgeni "not a top-100 player" Malkin matching Toews in rings would be nice too. Especially if Malkin gets his 2nd Conn Smythe.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 26, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Nashville win this thing, although I don't really care about the outcome.  The only reason I say Nashville is to hear all those people in Montreal ripping the PK - Weber trade all over again.

Yeah I'd love to see PK win it. But Phil being a 2-time Stanley Cup Champion and Evgeni "not a top-100 player" Malkin matching Toews in rings would be nice too. Especially if Malkin gets his 2nd Conn Smythe.

That's an interesting one. Obviously Sid/Malkin are the CS frontrunners for the Pens but the Preds? Rinne, I suppose, and maybe Forsberg? They've sort of done it really collectively.

edit: Also, I thought Kane's inclusion on the top 100 list was more questionable vs. Malkin but there you go. Either way, what a bogus list.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 10:50:34 AM
That's an interesting one. Obviously Sid/Malkin are the CS frontrunners for the Pens but the Preds? Rinne, I suppose, and maybe Forsberg? They've sort of done it really collectively.

Rinne's currently 12-4 with a .941 Sv% and 1.70 GAA. Like you said their defence collectively deserves a ton of credit for that but if those numbers hold at all he's definitely their candidate.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 26, 2017, 11:32:30 AM
That's an interesting one. Obviously Sid/Malkin are the CS frontrunners for the Pens but the Preds? Rinne, I suppose, and maybe Forsberg? They've sort of done it really collectively.

Rinne's currently 12-4 with a .941 Sv% and 1.70 GAA. Like you said their defence collectively deserves a ton of credit for that but if those numbers hold at all he's definitely their candidate.

Yeah, I guess my thing with Rinne(and I will flat-out state I haven't seen all, most or even a significant chunk of their games) is that he's never really had one of those eyepopping numbers games. He's faced 25 or fewer saves 4 times, 30 or fewer 7 and made 35 saves once. This might be a situation where SV% in a small sample is a little misleading.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 26, 2017, 11:47:26 AM
A side of this matchup that I don't think has sufficiently been appreciated is that it's a epic battle between Long Narrow(ish) States.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 26, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
A side of this matchup that I don't think has sufficiently been appreciated is that it's a epic battle between Long Narrow(ish) States.

That prompted me to look up when's the last time the Cup was contested between two cities as close together as these two and although the answer was a little disappointing 10 Nik points to whoever can tell me the closest two cities playing for the Cup can be in the modern NHL.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 12:00:59 PM
That prompted me to look up when's the last time the Cup was contested between two cities as close together as these two and although the answer was a little disappointing 10 Nik points to whoever can tell me the closest two cities playing for the Cup can be in the modern NHL.

Chicago vs. Philly would be my guess.

Detroit when they were in the West would be another team likely to be half of that. Detroit vs. Carolina or New Jersey.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 26, 2017, 12:04:39 PM
That prompted me to look up when's the last time the Cup was contested between two cities as close together as these two and although the answer was a little disappointing 10 Nik points to whoever can tell me the closest two cities playing for the Cup can be in the modern NHL.

Chicago vs. Philly would be my guess.

Nah. Philly's at the Eastern end of Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh's much closer. Not Pittsburgh/Chicago though.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 12:06:30 PM
Nah. Philly's at the Eastern end of Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh's much closer. Not Pittsburgh/Chicago though.

I was going to say Pittsburgh/Chicago too but didn't think they had played each other. Checking further that happened in the 90s.

Detroit vs. whoever is closer between New Jersey and Carolina then (I think Jersey would be closer)?
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 12:07:59 PM
Yeah, I guess my thing with Rinne(and I will flat-out state I haven't seen all, most or even a significant chunk of their games) is that he's never really had one of those eyepopping numbers games. He's faced 25 or fewer saves 4 times, 30 or fewer 7 and made 35 saves once. This might be a situation where SV% in a small sample is a little misleading.

Congratulations, you've officially put more thought into the Conn Smythe trophy winner than most voters likely do.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: bustaheims on May 26, 2017, 12:11:32 PM
That prompted me to look up when's the last time the Cup was contested between two cities as close together as these two and although the answer was a little disappointing 10 Nik points to whoever can tell me the closest two cities playing for the Cup can be in the modern NHL.

Chicago vs Detroit is the closest possibility with the current alignment. Pittsburgh vs Detroit woudl be the closest in recent history.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 26, 2017, 12:14:24 PM
Pittsburgh vs Detroit woudl be the closest in recent history.

Ahh, yeah that one slipped my mind. Figured Detroit would be involved though.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 26, 2017, 12:17:00 PM
That prompted me to look up when's the last time the Cup was contested between two cities as close together as these two and although the answer was a little disappointing 10 Nik points to whoever can tell me the closest two cities playing for the Cup can be in the modern NHL.

Chicago vs Detroit is the closest possibility with the current alignment. Pittsburgh vs Detroit woudl be the closest in recent history.

And Busta gets the 10 Nik points. They're redeemable for at least one 1000 word response to a post of your choosing.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: bustaheims on May 26, 2017, 12:18:15 PM
And Busta gets the 10 Nik points. They're redeemable for at least one 1000 word response to a post of your choosing.

Oh, I'm going to save those.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Frank E on May 26, 2017, 01:27:04 PM

So is there even really a "Old guy without a cup" to root for? I mean, Fisher I guess? Because I sure would like him to finally catch a break in life.

^This here is good stuff.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: AvroArrow on May 26, 2017, 05:23:52 PM
Yeah I'd love to see PK win it. But Phil being a 2-time Stanley Cup Champion and Evgeni "not a top-100 player" Malkin matching Toews in rings would be nice too. Especially if Malkin gets his 2nd Conn Smythe.

Win-win situation for me - I'm happy with either Kessel or PK getting the cup.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 11:53:03 AM

Headline over at ESPN:

Stopping Crosby-Malkin combo key for Predators

That's what I call journalism.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zee on May 29, 2017, 12:41:34 PM
Yay, the playoffs are coming to an end soon.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 08:11:43 PM

Man, if the Penguins win the Cup with this group on defense...that would be a real accomplishment.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 08:26:34 PM
Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals gets a "start time" of 8:00pm. The puck drops at 8:25pm. Do other sports have this same issue? Especially for big games?
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 08:41:39 PM
Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals gets a "start time" of 8:00pm. The puck drops at 8:25pm. Do other sports have this same issue? Especially for big games?

Yeah, it's a little different because it starts on the West Coast but even the Cleveland games of the NBA finals are at 9 pm.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 08:43:26 PM
I'd rather get rid of offsides entirely than sit through one more of these awful reviews.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
I'd rather get rid of offsides entirely than sit through one more of these awful reviews.

It's really going to be a mystery when the ratings come out and it turns out 16 people are watching.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 08:47:47 PM
Game 1 of the Stanley Cup finals gets a "start time" of 8:00pm. The puck drops at 8:25pm. Do other sports have this same issue? Especially for big games?

Yeah, it's a little different because it starts on the West Coast but even the Cleveland games of the NBA finals are at 9 pm.

My bad, that's not what I was asking about. I don't actually have a problem with the "late" (for us) starts. I actually quite like 8pm starts. It's the advertised vs. actual start times of games that I have an issue with. You generally know exactly when the Super Bowl coin toss is going to happen. For NHL games there's like a 20-minute window when a puck drop can realistically happen based on the advertised start time.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
Bettman was adamant today that the review process was going exactly as everyone intended it to and that there aren't any issues. He also probably muttered something about fans not caring about cap sites after the media left.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 09:10:36 PM
3-0 Pens. The overturned goal dramatically changed this game.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: AvroArrow on May 29, 2017, 09:16:13 PM
It used to be when a Leaf game started at 7:30, pick drop was at 7:38... No idea when that changed, but we need to get back to that.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 09:23:37 PM

The penalty call on Neal, to me, is the perfect example of why penalty calls should be context-free. I'm sure the complaints are about it being the sort of thing that maybe shouldn't give a team a two man advantage but it absolutely was a crosscheck and it was really dumb. I don't know why you'd give a team a break on something like that because it's more likely to hurt them.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 09:34:29 PM

I really don't like how Nashville's big "tradition" of throwing Catfish on the ice is such a clear and obvious rip-off of our own team's proud waffle-throwing history.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 09:38:12 PM
Pretty incredible that somebody like Carl Hagelin would be a healthy scratch for Pittsburgh. And Conor Sheary, who was 4th on the team in scoring, sat at one point too last round.

But Matt Martin has to play every single game.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 29, 2017, 10:05:49 PM
0 SOG for the Pens that frame.  This is compelling sport.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
Well, that period kinda sucked.

#StanleyCupFinal
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: bustaheims on May 29, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
0 SOG for the Pens that frame.  This is compelling sport.

Second team to have a 0 shot period in these playoffs. It happens every few years, but, twice in one? With the team not getting a shot likely winning both games? Crazy.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 29, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
0 SOG for the Pens that frame.  This is compelling sport.

Second team to have a 0 shot period in these playoffs. It happens every few years, but, twice in one? With the team not getting a shot likely winning both games? Crazy.

I dunno.  I'm beginning to think that Nik might be on to something about these playoffs sucking.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 10:41:56 PM
Well at least the score of this game is interesting now.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 10:47:51 PM
3-3!

What a weird game.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 29, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
3-3!

What a weird game.

That was a great play by this Watson fellow.  Or, alternatively, an incredibly weak one by the 2 PIT guys he beat.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 10:50:56 PM
Pittsburgh looks bad.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 29, 2017, 10:53:29 PM
Rinne obviously forgot something during his nap.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 10:54:23 PM
I mean EVERYBODY knew that Pittsburgh's next shot was going in.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 10:54:34 PM
What I like about watching Rogers hockey broadcasts is that I'm secure in the knowledge that nobody is going to mention that Don Cherry said that Pittsburgh would generate a ton of shots and they'd only lose if Rinne was awesome.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 29, 2017, 10:55:10 PM
Pittsburgh looks bad.

I don't care if they somehow manage to win this.  They look like the Pittsburgh Weenies.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 29, 2017, 10:58:36 PM
Pfft.  I'm going to sound like Homer Homerdog here, but the Leafs are better than either of these.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
This game is stupid.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2017, 11:00:40 PM
Pfft.  I'm going to sound like Homer Homerdog here, but the Leafs are better than either of these.

Yeah, I've been saying this since they were eliminated. Some how, some way, all playoff teams this year just sucked.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Peter D. on May 29, 2017, 11:19:45 PM
Congrats NHL...you finally found a way to top MLB's ridiculous review rulings. 

Why they don't go with the NFL's "breaking the plane" way of determining offside is beyond me.  One skate is clearly on the right side of the blueline and a toe in the air negates it?  Pathetic.

Crosby should have gotten an interference call on the 5-on-3 just before they scored the first goal of the game.

Toss in Rinne crapping the bed, and Nashville got screwed by the refs and their own goalie.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Peter D. on May 29, 2017, 11:21:14 PM
Pfft.  I'm going to sound like Homer Homerdog here, but the Leafs are better than either of these.

If I'm a Capitals player, I'm kicking myself for completely ruining the best opportunity to hoist.

And if I'm a Leaf or Oiler, there's no reason to think you can't hoist the Cup next June.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 29, 2017, 11:41:05 PM
Congrats NHL...you finally found a way to top MLB's ridiculous review rulings. 

Why they don't go with the NFL's "breaking the plane" way of determining offside is beyond me.  One skate is clearly on the right side of the blueline and a toe in the air negates it?  Pathetic.

Crosby should have gotten an interference call on the 5-on-3 just before they scored the first goal of the game.

Toss in Rinne crapping the bed, and Nashville got screwed by the refs and their own goalie.

I don't agree on the Crosby play. To me that was two guys both going for the puck and both bodying up. Penalizing Crosby there is effectively giving him the penalty for being the stronger player and not falling down.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 30, 2017, 04:37:14 PM
Looks like she 'loves' the catfish-thrower...

Quote
Carrie Underwood ✔@carrieunderwood
My hero...  …
10:14 PM - 29 May 2017

Taking a page from the Detroit Red Wings’ time-honored octopi-throwing tradition, Predators fans have made it a tradition to throw catfish on the ice in Nashville. It apparently worked Monday night. The Penguins failed to record a single shot in the entire second period, and Nashville rallied to tie the game before the magic wore off. The Penguins won Game 1 by the final score of 5-3.

How was it done?

He said he brought the catfish with him from Nashville. Wholey’s Fish Market in Pittsburgh’s Strip District had announced before the start of the Stanley Cup Final that it would not sell catfish to Predators fans.

Waddell said he vacuum sealed the fish and placed inside his compression shorts. Once inside the arena, he entered a restroom, wrapped the fish in a free T-shirt and towel handed out at the gate and went to his seat.


http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/05/30/predators-fan-admits-to-throwing-catfish-onto-ice-during-game-1/
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2017, 08:26:22 PM
Second 1st period in a row now where an admittedly illegal cross check gets called even though it 100% wouldn't have been called in earlier rounds.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2017, 08:30:44 PM
And minutes later they turn a blind eye to a potential 5-minute major boarding penalty.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2017, 08:42:48 PM
Second 1st period in a row now where a team gets a 5-on-3 because of two penalties called at the same time. Don't see that very often.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2017, 10:32:20 PM
Rinne's probably not winning the Conn Smythe.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 31, 2017, 10:37:31 PM

Incredible that Pittsburgh is going to win these two games.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
yaypittsburghisgonnarepeatzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2017, 10:42:51 PM
The only way I think these playoffs can redeem themselves would be for an offside review to cost somebody the final win in overtime or something and that then causes the NHL to blow up the review process.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2017, 11:05:34 PM
The only way I think these playoffs can redeem themselves would be for an offside review to cost somebody the final win in overtime or something and that then causes the NHL to blow up the review process.

Friendly amendment.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 01, 2017, 01:39:42 AM
Could it be said that not having Ryan Johansen out there has seriously hampered Nashville's goal-scoring (potential).
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 01, 2017, 09:40:59 AM
Pittsburgh is Pekka Rinne's worst opponent -- he is 0-7-2 lifetime (regular & post season).

Rinne now has the dubious distinction of possessing the single worst game save percentage in Stanley Cup Final history (dating from the expansion era).


Source:   NHL.com,  TSN
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 01, 2017, 09:44:41 AM
Pittsburgh's marvelous rookie Jake Guentzel holds the record for most points by an American-born player in the post-season with 19.

Plus, he also owns the record for most playoff game-winning goals in NHL history with 5.


Source:   NHL.com
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zee on June 01, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
Pittsburgh's marvelous rookie Jake Guentzel holds the record for most points by an American-born player in the post-season with 19*.

Plus, he also owns the record for most playoff game-winning goals in NHL history with 5.


Source:   NHL.com

* - Record to be broken by Auston Matthews.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 01, 2017, 11:56:43 AM
Pittsburgh's marvelous rookie Jake Guentzel holds the record for most points by an American-born player in the post-season with 19.

Plus, he also owns the record for most playoff game-winning goals in NHL history with 5.


Source:   NHL.com

Both those records are for rookies only, not all players. Seems important to note that.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 01, 2017, 12:41:18 PM

Guentzel isn't even the American born player with the most playoff points on his team.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zee on June 01, 2017, 12:56:12 PM
I've been severely misled on this Guentzel character.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 01, 2017, 01:06:14 PM
Per Jeff Veillette, the top-10 under-24 scorers in the AHL this season:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBK3rBoUAAADfnv.jpg)

Two of the top-5, Guentzel and Aberg, have had pretty big roles for their teams in the Cup finals. The other 3 top-5 players are all Leafs. I think that we're all in complete agreement that Griffith won't be getting another shot with the big team but that's pretty promising for Kapanen and Leipsic.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 01, 2017, 02:26:07 PM
Per Jeff Veillette, the top-10 under-24 scorers in the AHL this season:
Two of the top-5, Guentzel and Aberg, have had pretty big roles for their teams in the Cup finals. The other 3 top-5 players are all Leafs. I think that we're all in complete agreement that Griffith won't be getting another shot with the big team but that's pretty promising for Kapanen and Leipsic.
(http://www.readbreatherelax.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/GIF-angry-friends-furious-grr-joey-mad-Matt-LeBlanc-GIF.gif)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 01, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
http://www.pensburgh.com/2013/9/10/4713922/prospect-profile-15-jake-guentzel
Quote
"Not the biggest, or the fastest, or the strongest, he succeeded in all three zones by being the smartest player out there; his hockey sense is high, high end. Possessing tremendous vision and anticipation, he also showed a nice two-way game too; breaking up plays on the backcheck, supporting his D down low and along the walls, stealing pucks. He is a decent skater, but uses his burst of speed and quickness to catch defenders flat footed; he is so adept at using deception- whether it be skating or in his puck skills- to his advantage. I cannot emphasize enough just how good his hockey sense is."

Smallish, cerebral, skilled forward with two-way compete that wrecked the AHL sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Frank E on June 01, 2017, 05:28:18 PM
Per Jeff Veillette, the top-10 under-24 scorers in the AHL this season:
Two of the top-5, Guentzel and Aberg, have had pretty big roles for their teams in the Cup finals. The other 3 top-5 players are all Leafs. I think that we're all in complete agreement that Griffith won't be getting another shot with the big team but that's pretty promising for Kapanen and Leipsic.

*snip gif


There was one person around here that Carlton was trolling there...only one guy.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 01, 2017, 05:46:40 PM
Two of the top-5, Guentzel and Aberg, have had pretty big roles for their teams in the Cup finals. The other 3 top-5 players are all Leafs. I think that we're all in complete agreement that Griffith won't be getting another shot with the big team but that's pretty promising for Kapanen and Leipsic.

I suppose this is bordering on nikpicking but given that he was mostly in the NHL until January I'd wager a guess that Seth Griffith scored nowhere close to 44 points as an U24 forward in the AHL.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 01, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
Two of the top-5, Guentzel and Aberg, have had pretty big roles for their teams in the Cup finals. The other 3 top-5 players are all Leafs. I think that we're all in complete agreement that Griffith won't be getting another shot with the big team but that's pretty promising for Kapanen and Leipsic.

I suppose this is bordering on nikpicking but given that he was mostly in the NHL until January I'd wager a guess that Seth Griffith scored nowhere close to 44 points as an U24 forward in the AHL.

47 pts in 32 games (http://theahl.com/stats/player/5080/51/seth-griffith) as a 23 year old :)

But 0 pts this season.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 01, 2017, 11:53:14 PM
47 pts in 32 games (http://theahl.com/stats/player/5080/51/seth-griffith) as a 23 year old :)

But 0 pts this season.

And only 44 in 38 points as a 24 year old. Already on the decline!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 02, 2017, 08:59:55 AM
Per Jeff Veillette, the top-10 under-24 scorers in the AHL this season:
Two of the top-5, Guentzel and Aberg, have had pretty big roles for their teams in the Cup finals. The other 3 top-5 players are all Leafs. I think that we're all in complete agreement that Griffith won't be getting another shot with the big team but that's pretty promising for Kapanen and Leipsic.

*snip gif


There was one person around here that Carlton was trolling there...only one guy.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/bf/cf/2fbfcf88bab3257764e161700d40f191.jpg)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 02, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
Two days off between games is the dumbest thing ever classic NHL.

edit: fixed.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 03, 2017, 09:34:30 PM
Nashville's crowd is fantastic.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 03, 2017, 10:23:25 PM

Man, if this Pittsburgh PP can't get anything done you wonder how anyone does. 
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 03, 2017, 10:25:03 PM

Also, I really think that Crosby looks a lot worse post-concussion than he did before it.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2017, 10:32:13 PM
I'm glad that Pittsburgh has decided to hand out breakaways like caramel-infused popcorn at the county fair.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 03, 2017, 10:39:52 PM
I'm glad that Pittsburgh has decided to hand out breakaways like caramel-infused popcorn at the county fair.

How would you infuse popcorn?
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 03, 2017, 10:41:39 PM
I'm glad that Pittsburgh has decided to hand out breakaways like caramel-infused popcorn at the county fair.

How would you infuse popcorn?

With one of these:

https://www.caramelpopcorninfuserthang.biz (https://www.caramelpopcorninfuserthang.biz)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 04, 2017, 07:21:37 AM
From Music City to hockey tonk.  From fans to celebrities.  Nashville rolled out the red carpet for the Predators and played it l-o-u-d...

Quote
Dave Stubbs ✔@Dave_Stubbs
I've worked Montreal's Bell Centre in full, deafening playoff roar. Nashville's punishing thunder tonight is louder than that #StanleyCup
8:44 PM - 3 Jun 2017


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gotta-hear-predators-fans-blow-roof-off-bridgestone-arena/
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: disco on June 04, 2017, 04:27:32 PM
It's a series!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 05, 2017, 09:08:25 PM
www.twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/871894765507358721

Did Crosby purposefully hit the post so it would bank off Rinne's skate and into the net? I'm not sure I can say "no" with 100% certainty.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 05, 2017, 09:13:52 PM
Nashville might honestly be the best hockey crowd in the NHL. Constantly on their feet and cheering. They seem to know all the rules. They don't stupidly boo any penalty called against them when it's a legit call. They don't pretend there's a rivalry with the other teams best player and boo them anytime they touch the puck. And their chants (goalie chants in particular) might be the best I've ever heard in any sport. Big props to a very underappreciated market.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Frank E on June 05, 2017, 09:31:37 PM
That draft interview with Don there might have been the most awkward thing I've seen on HNIC.

Eeech!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 05, 2017, 09:56:07 PM
Quote
Damien Cox‏ @DamoSpin
Wow, Matt Murray's glove is getting exposed big time. Preds going there over and over.

The "book" is out on Murray. This has got to be one of the laziest media-driven narratives ever. And I could make a list of 100s of them.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 05, 2017, 10:11:43 PM
Quote
Damien Cox‏ @DamoSpin
Wow, Matt Murray's glove is getting exposed big time. Preds going there over and over.

The "book" is out on Murray. This has got to be one of the laziest media-driven narratives ever. And I could make a list of 100s of them.

That's fun. Don't the shooting stats say blocker side has a lower save percentage though?
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 05, 2017, 10:59:36 PM
Game 4 is on Thursday?  and 5 on Sunday??

Way to lard it out, NHL.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Bates on June 05, 2017, 11:36:59 PM
The chants have been around hockey in the US for a long time, I think they originated in NCAA.  Have been hearing them in AZ for 10 years.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Captain Canuck on June 05, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
Game 4 is on Thursday?  and 5 on Sunday??

Way to lard it out, NHL.

NBA is way worse, thank god that series isn't going seven! Game 1 on June 1st and Game 7 on June 18th....yeah lets drag the Finals out for 2 1/2 weeks.
So exciting!!!  ::)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: L K on June 06, 2017, 12:28:59 AM
Quote
Damien Cox‏ @DamoSpin
Wow, Matt Murray's glove is getting exposed big time. Preds going there over and over.

The "book" is out on Murray. This has got to be one of the laziest media-driven narratives ever. And I could make a list of 100s of them.

That's fun. Don't the shooting stats say blocker side has a lower save percentage though?

That's the sequel.  That book isn't out yet.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: disco on June 06, 2017, 01:32:21 AM
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 06, 2017, 03:29:52 AM
Nice cabinet.  Nashville's playoff rookie sensation Frederik Gaudreau doesn't have a locker..

(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad239/fotogalri/frederick-gaudreau_zpsqmvdnjua.jpg)






http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2017/06/05/frederick-gaudreau-predators-locker-stanley-cup-final-penguins-game-4/stories/201706050117 (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2017/06/05/frederick-gaudreau-predators-locker-stanley-cup-final-penguins-game-4/stories/201706050117)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: cabber24 on June 06, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Nice cabinet.  Nashville's playoff rookie sensation Frederik Gaudreau doesn't have a locker..

(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad239/fotogalri/frederick-gaudreau_zpsqmvdnjua.jpg)






http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2017/06/05/frederick-gaudreau-predators-locker-stanley-cup-final-penguins-game-4/stories/201706050117 (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/penguins/2017/06/05/frederick-gaudreau-predators-locker-stanley-cup-final-penguins-game-4/stories/201706050117)
He said after the game he would be happy to sit on the floor as long as he's playing. First 3 goals of his career are in the stanley cup final, 2 of them game winners.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Dappleganger on June 06, 2017, 08:32:00 PM
Nice cabinet.  Nashville's playoff rookie sensation Frederik Gaudreau doesn't have a locker..

(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad239/fotogalri/frederick-gaudreau_zpsqmvdnjua.jpg)

I hope they let him keep the cabinet after the finals.
 
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: cabber24 on June 07, 2017, 09:19:17 AM
Game 4 is on Thursday?  and 5 on Sunday??

Way to lard it out, NHL.
3 days apart the rest of the way... why? Blue Jays are out west too (10pm start) and I'm not an NBA fan. Sports drought right now.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 08, 2017, 09:44:26 PM

"Hey, do you want a series that goes 6 or 7 but every game is terrible and one-sided? Have I got a series for you!"
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 08, 2017, 10:37:22 PM

"Hey, do you want a series that goes 6 or 7 but every game is terrible and one-sided? Have I got a series for you!"

I just turned this on.  Man, what a bowser.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 09, 2017, 07:56:34 AM

"Hey, do you want a series that goes 6 or 7 but every game is terrible and one-sided? Have I got a series for you!"

Hey, parts of game 4 were alright!

Ok, the 1st period was alright!

Parts of the 1st period were alright!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 09, 2017, 08:17:21 AM
Nashville is the new standard...

To say that the Stanley Cup Final has been a smashing success in Nashville would be an understatement.

The Predators' run through the Stanley Cup Playoffs...has set television ratings records in the Nashville market. Game 4 had a 28.0 rating, the highest-rated Predators game ever on the NBC networks, topping the 22.5 for Game 1 of the Final. Nationally, NBC had a 4.14 rating, surpassing all games in the Stanley Cup Final last season.


Source:  NHL.com
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 09, 2017, 08:23:05 AM
And...

NBC’s Pittsburgh Penguins at the Nashville Predators Stanley Cup Finals hockey competition dominated Monday night in early ratings, in the demo, total viewers and adults 25-54. Fast-affiliate ratings have the hockey game at a 1.8 demo rating and about 5.5M viewers, but those stats are not time zone-adjusted and subject to revision for live sporting events. More reliably, the hockey match climbed 33% increase compared to same game last year in metered-market household ratings, which are time zone-adjusted.

But, in fast nationals, Bachelorette took first half hour in both metrics, with Stanley Cup appearing to take over the demo at 8:30 PM, adding total viewers to its win column at 9:30 PM.

NBC won the night in total viewers (5.484M) and in the demo 1.8.  ABC finished second (1.2, 4.66M).


http://deadline.com/2017/06/bachelorette-wins-night-stanley-cup-finals-up-33-percent-tv-ratings-1202108078/ (http://deadline.com/2017/06/bachelorette-wins-night-stanley-cup-finals-up-33-percent-tv-ratings-1202108078/)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 10, 2017, 03:59:54 PM

I know this is probably just a case of me growing into the crotchety old man I've always been but I just can't for the life of me believe people trying to generate controversy and buzz around what Subban and Crosby got into last game. I'm not pro-violence in the league and I'm not someone who likes the occasional gatekeeper aspect of hockey fans but for us old timers "controversial violence" in the playoffs used to be Wendel Clark caving half of Marty McSorley's face in. Now it's Crosby giving a couple of pretty gentle shots to a guy grabbing onto his leg.

Kids today, rassum frassum.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 10, 2017, 06:33:40 PM
I don't care who's playing, there's nothing like a Saturday night match up in the Cup finals. There's something about Saturday night that just means "hockey" -- I guess it's the tradition of HNIC, but no matter what it is I get extra psyched. Yessiree, there is nothing so good as playoff hockey on a Saturday nighpffffffffffffffffffffffffffttttt
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 11, 2017, 10:55:07 PM
Garbage goal, garbage series.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 11, 2017, 11:20:38 PM

You know, if you think about it, the whole thing of each guy grabbing the cup and skating around with it is kind of a crummy thing to do if the cup is won in the other team's rink.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 12, 2017, 04:57:26 AM
Congratulations Pittsburgh Penguins, 2017 Stanley Cup Champs!  This is the Pittsburgh franchise's fifth Stanley Cup overall.

And to Sidney Crosby on winning his third career Cup and on being named the Conn Smythe Trophy winner as MVP.

Congratulations are also in order for the Nashville Predators and more specifically their fans  & (country music) celebrities, who turned Music City during the Stanley Cup Finals into an event to remember. Broadway Ave. was alit with everything the city of Nashville could offer in terms of support for their team, and an enthusiasm for the game of hockey here not seen since. Whoa, Nashville!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 12, 2017, 08:18:54 AM
Good for Phil. Screw this guy:

www.twitter.com/byterryjones/status/874122215763042304
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Zee on June 12, 2017, 08:47:11 AM
Good for Phil. Screw this guy:

www.twitter.com/byterryjones/status/874122215763042304

Why would Terry Jones out in Edmonton care about Kessel one way or another? 
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 12, 2017, 09:03:59 AM
Fleury is too good:
https://www.nhl.com/news/penguins-goalies-pass-the-torch-after-stanley-cup-win/c-289891730
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: L K on June 12, 2017, 09:56:07 AM
It's a good thing the refs didn't blow a play dead on a puck that was not remotely covered that immediately would have given Nashville a 1-goal lead.  At least Pittsburgh didn't win by a single goal.

Best referees in the world.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: cabber24 on June 12, 2017, 04:23:18 PM
Although most of you didn't seem to enjoy the final, I did. Series highlights for me: Nashville crowd, Malkin/Kessel dynamic, Crosby the pro, NSH D, NSH team game opposed to PIT individuals, Cullen, Murray (2 Stanley Cups as a rookie), back to back, Crosby's legacy strengthened, guys battling through injuries and of course the end of the final game with the Stanley cup presentation and celebration.

I watched a lot of the playoffs and the changes I would like to see include: more penalties, offside review parameters being set (if "x" amount of time passes after an offside the goal is not reviewable and a skate off the ice but on or behind the line is NOT offside), harsher suspensions, protection of superstars, every-other-day games for the final.

I am still not entirely sure how PIT won back to back with the D they have. I always thought of guys like Niedamyer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith/Seabrook as being massive reasons teams won but PIT has broke the mold for sure.Maybe the Leafs don't need a new 1A and 1B D to take the next step?
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: bustaheims on June 12, 2017, 04:39:04 PM
I am still not entirely sure how PIT won back to back with the D they have. I always thought of guys like Niedamyer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith/Seabrook as being massive reasons teams won but PIT has broke the mold for sure.Maybe the Leafs don't need a new 1A and 1B D to take the next step?

The Pens are an outlier, who have 2 of the top 5 forwards in the league on their roster - and had an excellent #1 defenceman for last year's Cup run. They're not exactly a model that can be followed, nor does their success downplay the Leafs' need to improve their blueline.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 12, 2017, 04:54:19 PM
The Penguins leveraged their tremendous forward depth and well above average goaltending into covering up for their lack of defense. Tactically, they went with high event strategies, giving up more chances against to gain more opportunities, since their forwards were of a class that could capitalize more often than not.

Their weak defense was tasked with playing aggressively at the offensive blueline to make up for their lack of speed and skill, which a) minimized time for the opponents, b) gave their forwards time to lend support.

Our current build is similar, but a tier or two below in parts.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 12, 2017, 07:05:47 PM
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Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 12, 2017, 08:22:55 PM
I am still not entirely sure how PIT won back to back with the D they have. I always thought of guys like Niedamyer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith/Seabrook as being massive reasons teams won but PIT has broke the mold for sure.Maybe the Leafs don't need a new 1A and 1B D to take the next step?

I feel like we go through some version of this every year. Pittsburgh(as well as Tampa and Carolina) won their cups without a superstar on defense. New Jersey and Anaheim won theirs without a top tier centre(Getzlaf eventually became one but wasn't at the time). Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit and LA all won cups without elite goaltending and so on.

Flawed teams can win cups and, in fairness, with increasing parity every year a flawed team will win the cup. But you shouldn't aim for those flaws and you can't ignore the strengths of the team that paper over those flaws. Are the Leafs likely to have Crosby and Malkin down the middle? No, so we can't be the Penguins and we shouldn't aim for it.

You can't just measure things by successes. Far more teams have been undone by a bad or mediocre defense in the playoffs than have won in spite of it. You have to play the percentages and they're pretty good that you need top quality defensemen to win.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Arn on June 13, 2017, 06:04:19 AM
So what you're saying is, we have a chance?
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2017, 09:35:52 AM
Quote
Dustin Nielson‏ @nielsonTSN1260
Malkin won 15% of this faceoffs in Game 6, Crosby 21%, crazy.

If we're taking lessons from Pittsburgh's Cup win I hope this one doesn't get forgotten about.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: cabber24 on June 13, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
I am still not entirely sure how PIT won back to back with the D they have. I always thought of guys like Niedamyer, Pronger, Lidstrom, Keith/Seabrook as being massive reasons teams won but PIT has broke the mold for sure.Maybe the Leafs don't need a new 1A and 1B D to take the next step?

The Pens are an outlier, who have 2 of the top 5 forwards in the league on their roster - and had an excellent #1 defenceman for last year's Cup run. They're not exactly a model that can be followed, nor does their success downplay the Leafs' need to improve their blueline.
Crosby/Malkin/Kessel... Matthews/Nylander/Marner same thing right? I always thought we were so far away because we needed that Pronger like D man on the blueline but maybe just maybe we don't, maybe it's not an absolute requirement. Is Letang really a spectacular #1? Obviously PIT managed without him this playoffs.

Do Leafs need to upgrade their D? YES, will they be upgrading with elite talent anytime soon I would bet on NO. Could they possibly win without a 1A  D man... they will probably have to try since none seem to be available or in their system.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: Nik the Trik on June 13, 2017, 11:21:41 AM
Crosby/Malkin/Kessel... Matthews/Nylander/Marner same thing right?

No.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: herman on June 13, 2017, 12:37:15 PM
Flawed teams can win cups and, in fairness, with increasing parity every year a flawed team will win the cup. But you shouldn't aim for those flaws and you can't ignore the strengths of the team that paper over those flaws. Are the Leafs likely to have Crosby and Malkin down the middle? No, so we can't be the Penguins and we shouldn't aim for it.

You can't just measure things by successes. Far more teams have been undone by a bad or mediocre defense in the playoffs than have won in spite of it. You have to play the percentages and they're pretty good that you need top quality defensemen to win.

This is super.

There are segments of the NHL (and fanbases) that see playoff results and let it blind their decision making, but the playoffs are essentially a Rock, Paper, Scissors marathon of luck and attrition, clouded by small sample sizes when evaluating individual performances. Teams that have the most talent and depth of said talent at every spot tend to win out most frequently in the regular season and the playoffs.

Some teams will tend to copy the champs by plucking their non-core players that have played themselves beyond cap constraints; teams ought to be looking to copy the formula that led them to acquiring those players when they were cheap/free (drafting), developing them into effective cogs in the machine, and then eking out additional value beyond their play when they get too expensive (trades) to replenish resources for step 1.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Final: Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Nashville Predators
Post by: cabber24 on June 13, 2017, 03:33:49 PM
Crosby/Malkin/Kessel... Matthews/Nylander/Marner same thing right?

No.
Exactly the same! Would you make that trade? lol... cup tomorrow or maybe multiple cups down the road.