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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: December 01, 2018, 12:15:56 PM »
I think Nylander signs today, but if he doesn't it may not be as big a loss as everyone is projecting. I think there is a ways to go before this all shakes down if he doesn't sign today.

If he does sign and the cap hit for this year is something over $9 million as reported, and then lower in later years, that would give the Leafs about $3 million left in cap space to try to add some experience on the blueline for a cup run.

If he doesn't sign, the Leafs have about $12 million in cap space left to make deals with at the trade deadline. They could potentially bring in d-man and a forward for a cup run this year, if making a deal for Nylander or other assets. If it was a deal for other assets. The Leafs could potentially trade Nylander later to replace those lost assets. So Nylander not signing today, doesn't mean they get nothing for a cup run this year - they get $12 million in cap space to do something.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 30, 2018, 09:38:03 PM »
As far as the mangled comment goes (I don't know how to snip that out) I still fail to see how only one side can be singled out as mangling or botching something when it takes two to complete a deal.

Because ultimately the decisions are entirely in Dubas' hands. Sign Nylander for his asking price or don't, trade him or don't. As I've said a few times now, I think what Dubas has done in these negotiations is ultimately bad for the Leafs regardless of whether Nylander gets signed or not.

Also, and this is sort of a side point, but there's a bit of a limit to how much I'm inclined to think that Nylander asking for significantly more than has ever been rumoured or reported is a real possibility. I've already said I think that signing him to what his reported asking price was a month or so ago would be more or less the right thing to do.
Glad you're not managing the Leafs salary cap $8.5 million for him or even $8 mil. Haven't heard a single hockey person anywhere suggest that even remotely a good idea.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 30, 2018, 09:27:56 PM »

Having Nylander signed is the most important thing here and is a win for the Leafs.


I agree. It's why they should have done it months ago.

if it was that simple, I am sure they would have...

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 30, 2018, 02:34:53 PM »
There's a longer game and bigger stakes than just Nylander that resulted in this whole proceeding. It takes a hard line to establish a team salary grid.

Like I said, I think even if Nylander's ask is outrageous and they want to move on, this isn't the right way to do that.

And I think that anyone who thinks that the way Dubas has handled this will in anyway help him with the Matthews and Marner signings is kidding themselves. For all the talk about Nylander and the nefarious influence of his father, neither of those guys have re-upped to team friendly deals either.

I think it's reasonable to say how you feel about the situation, but to suggest anyone has handled it badly without being privy to the facts is pretty unfair. We don't know who is being the most unreasonable here until all the details come out. It seems the Leafs have been prepared to exhaust their chances of signing him up to the deadline. Dubas wouldn't be smart to cave to a player's demands that don't make sense for the team. Also, there may not have been a trade offered that made sense. There could be teams that could make a better offer in March because they plan to move salary out and would have more time to negotiate a deal with Nylander camp directly. I don't think Dubas has gotten to where he is at his age by being a dummy.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 29, 2018, 10:41:08 PM »
I think if Nylander doesn't sign with the Leafs, he is a moron and let him rot elsewhere, anywhere! I feel very confident the Leafs made him a fair offer. If he cares more about money than his teammates and winning a cup, he can screw off.
Let Dubas get the best possible return either now or hopefully at the trade deadline (to add assets for a cup run this year).
Personally, I am not as anxious about the d-man situation as most seem to be. I think Ozhiganov has improved quite a bit from his first few games and has some serious upside. Babcock has been a fan of his passing (calling it "elite") his size and steadiness.  I've watched his passing closely since Babs said that, and he is indeed a very good passer, aside from one faux pas where he threw it up the center of the ice thinking he could hit Kapanen, but Kappy skated to the right instead of the left and Ozi looked extra bad. Just a miscalculation IMO.  Also, he doesn't seem to panic much and isn't afraid to take the body. He may be a sleeper, similar to a guy like Anton Stralman, who took a few years to become a solid d-man, but he was younger. I think Ozi might ramp up more quickly than expected. Plus we got Liljgren and Sandin doing well on the Marlies, and more D prospects beyond that.  I can see Dubas adding one right handed d at the trade deadline and Hainsey becoming this year's Matt Martin. He has definitely lost a step. 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 25, 2018, 12:01:48 AM »
I think both Matthews and Nylander return to action on the same night, changes the story line to Dynamic Duo reunited instead of all focus being on Nylander, maybe booed by some cranky fans.

I would like to see Johnsson moved up to top line left wing with them, regardless of tonight scoring out-burst. He'd have a lot of space with people chasing Matthews and Nylander all over the ice. I think Johnsson could wind up with 25 goals playing with them.

Marleau-Kadri-Kappy seem to be building some chemistry. Ditto for Brown and Lindholm, then just throw Ennis on the left side. Goat and Leivo for depth.

Like the way Ozzy is coming along on defence. played 22 minutes tonight. Just plays a simple game, but he's effective. Dermott keeps growing in confidence. They both make the odd mistake but their learning. With Liljgren and Sandin looking good on the Marlies, the big panic over the blueline could be straightened out in a year of two, but will likely need some short term upgrades...just my thoughts.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kyle Dubas is new Leafs GM
« on: November 13, 2018, 01:34:20 PM »
I agree with the recent round of reporting that suggests that if the Leafs trade Nylander, they simply get the best player available for him, whether d-man or forward. Personally, I don't see why they can't get something done if only a bridge for a couple of years and then revisit the whole thing once Marleau comes off the books, and Marner and Matthews have signed. Nylander would have a couple more years to prove himself. Right now, I can't see the Leafs management going overboard on this. I know Dubas will catch a lot of flack, if he doesn't get Nylander signed before Dec. 1, but I'd sooner let him sit for a year before 1) overpaying excessively or 2) trading him without fair value in return. I'd much sooner see a one-for-one deal like the Seth Jones-Ryan Johansen, where both sides get a fair return. Whether a deal like that is possible, who knows? I am not much interested in the Leafs trading for quantity over quality. Seems weird to think some kind of deal can't get done...

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 04, 2018, 10:57:09 AM »
If the Hurricanes are “all in”, I’ll take Dougie Hamilton and a first, thanks.  8)

I concur on Hamilton. Any deal with the Canes that doesn't include him is likely to be a disappointment, but unlikely the Canes will trade him - since they just traded for him. Not interested in lower tier d-men. If they trade Nylander, I'd sooner see him go out west.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kasperi Kapanen
« on: October 12, 2018, 04:33:29 PM »
Ok maybe "solve" this cap issue is too strong a word, but "ease" their cap issue would not be. According to whom you believe, Nylander's ask was $8.5 million (Draisaitl money). Drouin cap hit is $5.5 million, that would be a $3 million saving (assuming Nylander got his ask...but we all know that's never going to happen. Regardless, if he refused to sign anything under $7 million that might force the Leafs  hand towards a trade. Though I also think he will eventually sign for under $7 mil.

Most things I've read have Nylander's ask at 8 million. But, again, it's very much a similar cap situation even with Drouin who's cheaper because I don't think he's as good as Nylander.

Why talk about this in a Kapanen thread? Just saying that perhaps, Kapanen is capable of filling Nylander's boots alongside Matthews if a trade does happen.

It's a tangential connected to Kapanen at best. I'm sure I'm overreacting because so many threads are needlessly turning into Nylander threads but there is a whole Armchair GM thread for trade proposals as a point of discussion. This topic will almost certainly have nothing really to do with Kapanen.

Ok. Point taken. Maybe I look for a better suited thread next time. But as for Nylander being appreciably better than Drouin, not sure that's true. But I can see why people might think that. Nylander forecasted upward projectory by most, one would expect he'll keep on improving.  Has Drouin reached his potential. I don't think so, but I also never felt from Day 1 that Montreal was the right fit for him. Dealt for as the guy who could help turn the franchise around, that's a lot of pressure for a Quebec kid. I see him more as a Kessel type (not talking about similiar skill set, which they are not), just a strong support guy on a winning team but not the leader.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kasperi Kapanen
« on: October 12, 2018, 02:48:00 PM »
With Kapanen looking pretty decent alongside Matthews, how about a blockbuster between the Original Six great rivalry, Leafs and Habs.

Nylander to Montreal for Jonathan Drouin. Similar type players, solving Leaf's cap issue. Drouin becomes topline left winger either now or when Marleau retires. Habs with cap space get a guy who can slide into center ice.

I know the Leafs would prefer to shore up the defense but top d-men are hard to come by and there is some promise in the system with Liljegren, Sandin and Durzi.

I just thought this would make an interesting topic for discussion. I think Drouin might be feeling the pressure in Montreal and could use another change of scenery, and thrive with an offensively loaded team like the Leafs. Could he find the same chemistry with Matthews he once had with Nathan MacKinnon?

If such a deal were ever done, would a pick be thrown in by one side, and if so what?

But imagine the comparisons moving forward in Leafs-Habs match-ups? Would be interesting...

Thumbs up or thumbs down?

Huge thumbs down, Druin for Nylander? Really?

Nylander won't be traded, he will get signed soon.

Not saying I am in favour of this, just trying to get people's opinions. I don't think the difference between these players talent wise is as great as you may perceive it is. Also I asked if a pick would also be warranted by either side and if so, by how much to balance such a deal. Assuming Marleau might be done after next year, the Leafs are not as strong on the left wing side.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kasperi Kapanen
« on: October 12, 2018, 02:42:42 PM »
How does this solve the team's cap issue? Drouin's cap hit is 2.5 million less than Nylander's reported ask. If Matthews gets 12 long term and Marner 9 then it's the difference between 37.5 million for your top 4 forwards and 40(assuming Nylander gets his ask). That's effectively the exact same boat.

Also, how is "Should we trade Nylander for Drouin" in the Kapanen thread?

Ok maybe "solve" this cap issue is too strong a word, but "ease" their cap issue would not be. According to whom you believe, Nylander's ask was $8.5 million (Draisaitl money). Drouin cap hit is $5.5 million, that would be a $3 million saving (assuming Nylander got his ask...but we all know that's never going to happen. Regardless, if he refused to sign anything under $7 million that might force the Leafs  hand towards a trade. Though I also think he will eventually sign for under $7 mil.

Just because I throw out an idea for discussion, doesn't mean I am proposing it should be done. It's just saying, that if it came to a trade, and they couldn't find the right d-man, maybe they explore other options.

I've been a Leafs fan for decades, and sometimes I think fans tend to over-value our players compared to players on other teams. Personally, talent-wise, I don't think there is as much difference between Nylander and Drouin as some people might think. What would Drouin's numbers look like playing alongside Matthews?

Why talk about this in a Kapanen thread? Just saying that perhaps, Kapanen is capable of filling Nylander's boots alongside Matthews if a trade does happen. (Again I don't think it will...but stranger things have happened.) I see all kinds of threads on here veering off in different directions. I didn't think it was jumping off the diving board to tie those things together...


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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Kasperi Kapanen
« on: October 12, 2018, 11:22:43 AM »
With Kapanen looking pretty decent alongside Matthews, how about a blockbuster between the Original Six great rivalry, Leafs and Habs.

Nylander to Montreal for Jonathan Drouin. Similar type players, solving Leaf's cap issue. Drouin becomes topline left winger either now or when Marleau retires. Habs with cap space get a guy who can slide into center ice.

I know the Leafs would prefer to shore up the defense but top d-men are hard to come by and there is some promise in the system with Liljegren, Sandin and Durzi.

I just thought this would make an interesting topic for discussion. I think Drouin might be feeling the pressure in Montreal and could use another change of scenery, and thrive with an offensively loaded team like the Leafs. Could he find the same chemistry with Matthews he once had with Nathan MacKinnon?

If such a deal were ever done, would a pick be thrown in by one side, and if so what?

But imagine the comparisons moving forward in Leafs-Habs match-ups? Would be interesting...

Thumbs up or thumbs down?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 24, 2018, 10:51:33 PM »
Switching things up a bit. Most of the pundits think Ennis automatically drops back to 4th line left wing once Nylander signs. I am thinking something else.

Babcock has been keeping Kapanen and Johnsson on the flanks of Lindholm the whole training camp. I don't think he's been super impressed with their effort, so he not going to hand them 3rd line duties over a well-rounded player, with more experience, like Connor Brown, or ahead of a veteran, with skill, working his tail off like Ennis.

I think if Nylander gets back during pre-season or later, Ennis ends up playing left wing 3rd line with Kadri and Brown, making Leivo odd man out again.

Johnsson and Kapanen will have to play better to earn their way up the lineup, that's my take.

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Not exactly a surprise, but if there was some sort of battle for the 4C spot then it's over now.

Goodbye Goat Man.

Back-up goalie (McBackup isn't making this an easy decision) and 6D (Carrick seems to have played himself out of that spot) are still up for grabs.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: September 23, 2018, 09:20:06 PM »
Hoping you are right at number 3, but would like to keep it to 40 mil

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