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Title: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:43:06 AM
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26-16-3, 55 points | 26-17-5, 57 points

Projected Lines

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Kerfoot-Jost-Yakupov
Nieto-Soderberg-Comeau
Toninato-Compher-Bourque

Zadorov-Johnson
Nemeth-Barberio
Girard-Lindholm

Bernier
             
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Marleau-Kadri-Komarov
JVR-Bozak-Brown
Martin-Gauthier-Marner

Gardiner-Hainsey
Dermott-Carrick
Borgman-Polak

Andersen

Scratches

Colin Wilson
A.J. Greer
David Warsofsky
      
Morgan Rielly
Josh Leivo
Dominic Moore

Game Notes

COL
•Jonathan Bernier (13-7-1, 2.61 GAA, .919 Sv%) will likely start for the Avalanche
•Bernier has been on an absolute tear since taking over the net from the injured Varlamov. He's started and won 8 straight games and has a 1.46 GAA and .958 Sv% since Varlamov went down
•Since Matt Duchene was traded away, Nathan MacKinnon leads all NHLers in points with 45 in 31 games. The next highest scorer since that time is Tavares with 39 points in 34 games. MacKinnon's now 2nd in the league in points, just 2 back of Kucherov
•Largely because of the play of MacKinnon and Bernier, the Avs find themselves in the final wild card spot in the West right now. Looks like they "wanted to play playoff hockey" as well
•Samuel Girard.

TOR
•Andersen (23-13-4, 2.68 GAA, .920 Sv%) will likely start for the Leafs
•Still waiting word on Rielly's status for the game but his injury is not believed to be severe so he shouldn't be out long
•A big game from Marner and a 41-ish% CF night for the JVR-Bozak-Brown line on Saturday might be enough to get Mitch back into the top-9, again we have to wait and see

Injuries

•Semyon Varlamov - Groin - Injured Reserve
•Colin Wilson - Flu - Questionable Monday
•Sven Andrighetto - Leg - Injured Reserve
•Tyson Barrie - Hand - Injured Reserve
•Vladislav Kamenev - Arm - Injured Reserve
•Sergei Boikov - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
      
•Nathan Horton - Back - Out indefinitely
•Joffrey Lupul - Actually Injured - Out indefinitely
•Nikita Soshnikov - Groin - Injured Reserve
•Nikita Zaitsev - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
•Morgan Rielly - Arm - Questionable Monday

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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2018, 09:29:51 AM
Let's light up that Nelson Mandela loving goalie!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 22, 2018, 11:16:48 AM
Babcock straight up trolling Leafs Nation

Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 11:25:07 AM

"Everyone laughs" is right...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 11:28:26 AM
Mike Babcock with probably the greatest and most accurate description of Gardiner ever:
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 11:32:16 AM
Mike Babcock with probably the greatest and most accurate description of Gardiner ever:

So I guess we have to accept that Gardiner is just going to gardiner it up on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 22, 2018, 11:33:31 AM
Mike Babcock with probably the greatest and most accurate description of Gardiner ever:

So I guess we have to accept that Gardiner is just going to gardiner it up on a regular basis.

I'm surprised after 6+ years here people are expecting any different?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 11:33:50 AM
Also it's worth noting that Nail is on the 2nd line of a team whose record is as good as ours.  Maybe he isn't done after all.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 11:35:39 AM
Mike Babcock with probably the greatest and most accurate description of Gardiner ever:

So I guess we have to accept that Gardiner is just going to gardiner it up on a regular basis.

I'm surprised after 6+ years here people are expecting any different?

Maybe the last 2 are a surprise.  Prior to that, people thought, hey, maybe with more experience he'll stop giving the coach the opportunity to tell the media he doesn't know what he's doing sometimes.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 22, 2018, 11:43:00 AM
Quote
A big game from Marner and a 41-ish% CF night for the JVR-Bozak-Brown line on Saturday might be enough to get Mitch back into the top-9, again we have to wait and see

Bozak started 8 of his shifts in the OZ and 3 of his shifts in the DZ.  And still got rolled in terms of possession (along with Brown and JvR).  Without Marner on that line, those guys are in tough to transition the puck.  Of course, Marner on the 4th line helps GOAT and Martin to positive results.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on January 22, 2018, 11:55:57 AM

"Everyone laughs" is right...

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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Kaberle15 on January 22, 2018, 01:31:53 PM
Can they have 2 wins in a row ?

Go Leafs Go!!!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: nutman on January 22, 2018, 01:52:17 PM
Rielly out in my opinion is a good thing. He can take the time to heal, while at the same time we can see what we have in the three guys fighting for a spot.  Its make or break time for these three. As well it will be a telltale sign to see if a trade is needed for defense.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown Connor Brown on January 22, 2018, 03:20:00 PM
Can they have 2 wins in a row ?

Go Leafs Go!!!

Yes please!

GO LEAFS GO!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 04:27:16 PM
Whoops, one note I forgot to include in the GDT: that's former Leafs draft pick Dominic Toninato on Colorado's 4th line. Toronto didn't sign him after his NCAA career ended and the Avs plucked the 23-year old up in the summer. He was never a big scorer in his college career but he was known to be a very strong defensive forward. He has 12 points in 30 AHL games this season and 1 point in 10 NHL games.

Tough to say if he'll be in the NHL long-term or if he's only an AHL call-up when injuries strike, but I don't think too many Leafs fans had huge hopes for him so it's interesting he's getting some NHL playing time in his first professional season.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Highlander on January 22, 2018, 05:37:57 PM
Whoops, one note I forgot to include in the GDT: that's former Leafs draft pick Dominic Toninato on Colorado's 4th line. Toronto didn't sign him after his NCAA career ended and the Avs plucked the 23-year old up in the summer. He was never a big scorer in his college career but he was known to be a very strong defensive forward. He has 12 points in 30 AHL games this season and 1 point in 10 NHL games.

Tough to say if he'll be in the NHL long-term or if he's only an AHL call-up when injuries strike, but I don't think too many Leafs fans had huge hopes for him so it's interesting he's getting some NHL playing time in his first professional season.
Hat trick for him for sure! ;)
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 06:54:33 PM
Can they have 2 REGULATION wins in a row ?

Go Leafs Go!!!

Fixed it!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:11:51 PM
wow
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Yuck.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 22, 2018, 07:14:41 PM
Bernier>Andersen
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:14:41 PM
I guess i won't fault Fred too much on that, kind of a perfect bounce to Bourque.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 07:16:00 PM
Bourque scores!  1-0 Avs!

Go Leafs Go.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
Andersen looked SMALLER than Bernier on that goal!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:20:48 PM
Just in case Paul & Greg forget to mention it, MacKinnon is having a Hartworthy season.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
Also it's worth noting that Nail is on the 2nd line of a team whose record is as good as ours.  Maybe he isn't done after all.

He has 8 goals and 13 points in 39 games coming into tonight, which would be decent numbers on the 3rd line - so, it's not like he's been a significant contributor to Colorado's success.

Though, really, past their top line, Colorado really only has 3rd lines.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
KDAP
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:28:26 PM
Ok boys convert this 5/3!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
Kadri's face is attracting a lot of sticks lately!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 07:29:05 PM
KDAP

Solid embellishment work there too!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:30:02 PM
Ok boys convert this 5/3!

FFS.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
What complete crap on the PP. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 07:31:31 PM
KDAP

Solid embellishment work there too!

We’ll just take the blade here, and wipe it a bit around the ear. There. Isn’t that lovely? Just take a bit of the Prussian blue and mix a dab into the titanium white... makes a nice cloudy gray.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 07:32:04 PM
Our powerplay is on fire tonight... didn't allow a shorty!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on January 22, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Their 5 on 3 is atrocious. Can't remember the last time I saw them score on one. Quit passing the thing around looking for the perfect pass and goal. Matthews there looking for the pass a couple times. Shoot the stupid thing.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
Voluntarily putting Gauthier and Polak out against the MacKinnon line, good coaching.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 07:33:03 PM
Whoa Kid Line
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on January 22, 2018, 07:35:50 PM
They are skating circles around us out there. Jeez.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:36:11 PM
Their 5 on 3 is atrocious. Can't remember the last time I saw them score on one. Quit passing the thing around looking for the perfect pass and goal. Matthews there looking for the pass a couple times. Shoot the stupid thing.

Really.  They should be firing shots and looking for rebounds, not pretty goals.  Matthews definitely should have shot it there.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on January 22, 2018, 07:39:52 PM
Their 5 on 3 is atrocious. Can't remember the last time I saw them score on one. Quit passing the thing around looking for the perfect pass and goal. Matthews there looking for the pass a couple times. Shoot the stupid thing.

Really.  They should be firing shots and looking for rebounds, not pretty goals.  Matthews definitely should have shot it there.

Babcock calling for more shots lol we can't even get any with a two man advantage. Yikes.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 07:40:48 PM
Imagine a Leivo-Moore-Marner 4th line.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 07:42:00 PM
Dermott’s pretty nice.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 07:43:06 PM
Marner just bullied someone his own size.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 07:44:19 PM
Imagine a Leivo-Moore-Marner 4th line.

It's nice to dream. Too bad, they don't all play "the right way."
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:44:43 PM
Also it's worth noting that Nail is on the 2nd line of a team whose record is as good as ours.  Maybe he isn't done after all.

He has 8 goals and 13 points in 39 games coming into tonight, which would be decent numbers on the 3rd line - so, it's not like he's been a significant contributor to Colorado's success.

Though, really, past their top line, Colorado really only has 3rd lines.

True enough.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:46:20 PM
Imagine a Leivo-Moore-Marner 4th line.

It's nice to dream. Too bad, they don't all play "the right way."

I'm not seeing how Gauthier is playing better than Moore did.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 07:46:26 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 07:48:15 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.

Brown hair guy is actually way better than their white hair guys.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 07:50:19 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.

Brown hair guy is actually way better than their white hair guys.

Yeah, who is he?  I thought he was good.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 07:57:21 PM
Our powerplay is on fire tonight... didn't allow a shorty yet!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 22, 2018, 07:58:33 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.

Brown hair guy is actually way better than their white hair guys.

Yeah, who is he?  I thought he was good.

Jason York.  Former d-man in the NHL.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:00:44 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.

Brown hair guy is actually way better than their white hair guys.

Yeah, who is he?  I thought he was good.

Jason York.  Former d-man in the NHL.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 08:03:37 PM
Marleau scores!  Avs 1 - Leafs 1

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:03:38 PM
PATTY CAKE
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:04:26 PM
Oh my god a 5-on-5 primary assist by Komarov with a goalie in net! I never thought I'd see that again.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
Patty must’ve been watching Beyblade with the kids because he really let it rip.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:05:29 PM
Also that was the Bernier we all know and... know.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 08:06:39 PM
Also that was the Bernier we all know and... know.
What? No love?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:07:12 PM
What took the refs so long to see the mask off?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:10:20 PM
Look at Dermott stuffing that breakout attempt.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 22, 2018, 08:10:41 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.

Brown hair guy is actually way better than their white hair guys.

Yeah, who is he?  I thought he was good.

Jason York.  Former d-man in the NHL.

Thanks!

No worries.  He used to be on the radio here in Ottawa.  I always thought he was pretty level headed, but he does have a little bias against the Leafs due to being involved in those playoff series in the early 2000's.  Todd White took his place on the radio and he's pretty decent as well, but again, has the same bias.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 22, 2018, 08:11:27 PM
The Avs are quick.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:11:32 PM
Compher (sp?) is playing like a demon.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:14:34 PM
Man, if the Leafs used their speed like the Avs are, they'd be destroying the league. They're capable of it, and they have much more scoring talent.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:14:55 PM
Colby Armstrong and "guy with brown hair". Yeah, not watching this intermission show.

Brown hair guy is actually way better than their white hair guys.

Yeah, who is he?  I thought he was good.

Jason York.  Former d-man in the NHL.

Thanks!

No worries.  He used to be on the radio here in Ottawa.  I always thought he was pretty level headed, but he does have a little bias against the Leafs due to being involved in those playoff series in the early 2000's.  Todd White took his place on the radio and he's pretty decent as well, but again, has the same bias.

Thanks again.  I don't remember him from those years and those playoffs.  I was probably obsessing about Alfredsson.  Or watching Lalime in warmups.   ::) :P 8) :o
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:15:36 PM
Man, if the Leafs used their speed like the Avs are, they'd be destroying the league. They're capable of it, and they have much more scoring talent.

WRONG WAY
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 22, 2018, 08:17:13 PM
That was ALL Hyman.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:17:46 PM
See? Look at what speed does!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:17:54 PM
Nylander puck retrieval YESSSS
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
F yeah Hyman
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
Unreal. Matthews has played his best hockey of the season lately. Good to see since he struggled a bit post-concussion.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:19:19 PM
Argh.  This looks iffy.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:19:38 PM
Blah. That's not interference come on.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
See? Look at what speed does!

Thanks to Nylander behind his net sorting out the mess, and then Hyman boxing out the defense for Nylander again to feed the Matthews.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 22, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
Blah. That's not interference come on.

To me, Bernier wasn't saving that even if Matthews doesn't touch him. 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:21:10 PM
Blah. That's not interference come on.

Agreed. I don't think Matthews' had any impact on Bernier's ability to make that save.

But, the league is stupid and the refs are stupid and everything is stupid.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 22, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
 That is a good goal.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 22, 2018, 08:21:55 PM
Babcock asking the ref if he wants a coke.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:21:59 PM
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on January 22, 2018, 08:22:02 PM
Ridiculous call...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:22:13 PM
I see Bernier jamming his stick into Matthews.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:22:33 PM
Thanks war room.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:22:47 PM
Here comes the garbage onto the ice
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 22, 2018, 08:22:57 PM
That right there is a huge pile of BS.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 22, 2018, 08:23:11 PM
We need to march on the league offices after a player runs right over Andersen and the puck trickles in to the net while the opposing player is sitting on Freddy.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
No luck for Kadri, Marleau.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on January 22, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
That is one of the worst calls I have ever seen. I am in awe.

The puck was loose behind Bernier. What the hell was matthews supposed to do?

Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:25:20 PM
No calling that one back!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 22, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Is that one OK? 
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on January 22, 2018, 08:25:46 PM
Just try to call THAT back, pricks!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on January 22, 2018, 08:25:50 PM
Now witness the power of this fully operational Auston Matthews.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:25:51 PM
Overrule THAT suckers
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:25:56 PM
Willy again.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:26:03 PM
I hope Matthews scores 4 more tonight and then tells the ref to suck it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 08:26:12 PM
Matthews scores!   Leafs 2 - Avs 1

Good Goal!

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:26:31 PM
I need that Matthews eye roll gif so badly.

Thanks be to Steph
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
TAKE THAT BACK NHL!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:27:45 PM
Borgman, you're cut.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:28:09 PM
I need that Matthews eye roll gif so badly.

NHLGIFs: A+ reaction, @AM34. http://pic.twitter.com/BrrbFAl1F7
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
Yakapov scores!  Leafs 2 - Avs 2

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:28:21 PM
ooooh borg.....
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on January 22, 2018, 08:28:30 PM
Poop.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:28:50 PM
Willy again.

Yeppers.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:29:14 PM
Yakupov Soshed the celly
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:30:21 PM
Oh man I didn’t even notice Matthews’ troll job celebration on his second goal.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on January 22, 2018, 08:31:39 PM
Martin and polak on the ice again for a goal against?  Shocker.  It's getting to the point where you wonder if Babcock is hoping they give up goals.  The 4th line means a powerplay for the other team.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:33:42 PM
I can't get over that Matthews celly. Reminds me when he trolled Anderson after the 4-goal game. He's got a great personality hidden behind that shield he puts up with the media and such.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on January 22, 2018, 08:34:56 PM
I actually feel as though I might lose my mind.  Polak and Martin should not be in the NHL, and Babcock just keeps plugging them in the lineup.  And they continue to get eaten alive.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
I can't get over that Matthews celly. Reminds me when he trolled Anderson after the 4-goal game. He's got a great personality hidden behind that shield he puts up with the media and such.

Have you seen him dance?

His Instagram comments are also subtle tosses of shade.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:39:11 PM
I actually feel as though I might lose my mind.  Polak and Martin should not be in the NHL, and Babcock just keeps plugging them in the lineup.  And they continue to get eaten alive.

With the pair of 5-on-5 goals against him tonight, Polak is -8 in terms of 5-on-5 goal differential. Every other Leaf defenceman who as played at least 5 games has positive differential.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on January 22, 2018, 08:40:17 PM
Matthews with the goal call.

I mean goal.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:40:26 PM
Nylander does it again.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 08:40:30 PM
Leafs play fast, finally start to get penalty calls again. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:40:36 PM
NDAP
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
Carrick has some good holds on that PP.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:45:26 PM
Leafs play fast, finally start to get penalty calls again. Hmmm.

Funny how that works.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 08:46:18 PM
Leafs play fast, finally start to get penalty calls again. Hmmm.

Funny how that works.

WRONG WAY
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 08:46:42 PM
Leafs play fast, finally start to get penalty calls again. Hmmm.

Funny how that works.

WRONG WAY

I prefer Santeria.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 08:50:53 PM
Synchronized refereeing is my new joy.

Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: wnc096 on January 22, 2018, 08:53:28 PM
Martin and polak on the ice again for a goal against?  Shocker.  It's getting to the point where you wonder if Babcock is hoping they give up goals.  The 4th line means a powerplay for the other team.
how was that yakupov goal in any part martin or polak's fault?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 09:09:19 PM
That was at least the 2nd time tonight that the 4th line has been out for an offensive zone draw after an icing.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on January 22, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
We stink btw


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Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 09:29:11 PM
That was a nice tip. Gotta tie up that stick, Matthews.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on January 22, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Avs score!   Avs 3 - Leafs 2

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 09:30:50 PM
That was a nice tip. Gotta tie up that stick, Matthews.

He stopped skating. One or two more strides, and he gets between Comeau and the net.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on January 22, 2018, 09:33:56 PM
6 minutes left and Komarov is playing rather than Marner.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
That was a nice tip. Gotta tie up that stick, Matthews.

He stopped skating. One or two more strides, and he gets between Comeau and the net.

Good observation by Millen about Dermott reading a switch without actual confirmation.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 09:34:57 PM
God, I absolutely do not want to open up this can of worms again, but that 3rd goal looks to me like what would have happened if Gardiner switched off on that OT goal the other night.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 09:36:12 PM

Three guys walk into an arena...
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 09:36:59 PM
That was a nice tip. Gotta tie up that stick, Matthews.

He stopped skating. One or two more strides, and he gets between Comeau and the net.

Good observation by Millen about Dermott reading a switch without actual confirmation.

Yeah. That was also not ideal. Poor efforts by both.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 09:39:38 PM
Komarov finally getting some extra rest.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on January 22, 2018, 09:44:31 PM
Ugh that’s not great
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 09:45:14 PM
Well that sucks.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on January 22, 2018, 09:46:46 PM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guru Tugginmypuddah on January 22, 2018, 09:46:51 PM
Well that sucked.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 09:47:10 PM
Leafs can learn a lot from Colorado. They play the way the Leafs need to play - though, clearly, not the "right way."
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: dekedastardly on January 22, 2018, 09:47:26 PM
That disallowed goal was bull#$#% and makes me want to stop watching NHL hockey..... Seriously. The coaches challenges have become ridiculous.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: wnc096 on January 22, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.
Matthews cost them the game
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
I wonder if Babcock will see a good skating team pressuring the puck aggressively and maybe think that’s a cool way to play (again).
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 09:48:01 PM
Too bad.  The disallowed goal sure didn't help.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 09:51:28 PM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.

Does her ever call timeouts down the stretch?  I don't get it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 09:54:04 PM
4th line had a 31% and were on the ice for 2 goals against (neither goal was really the forwards fault specifically). Still, this is a good example to bring up when someone suggests that a 4th line doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on January 22, 2018, 09:54:31 PM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.

Does her ever call timeouts down the stretch?  I don't get it.

He’s just preparing the team for playoff hockey where you don’t get timeouts?
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on January 22, 2018, 09:55:48 PM
4th line had a 31% and were on the ice for 2 goals against (neither goal was really the forwards fault specifically). Still, this is a good example to bring up when someone suggests that a 4th line doesn't really matter.

Why they were on the ice with Borgman and Polak on both those goals is a question someone needs to (but won't) ask Babcock. That's a recipe for bad.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2018, 10:01:37 PM
That called back goal was a complete joke
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on January 22, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
4th line had a 31% and were on the ice for 2 goals against (neither goal was really the forwards fault specifically). Still, this is a good example to bring up when someone suggests that a 4th line doesn't really matter.

Why they were on the ice with Borgman and Polak on both those goals is a question someone needs to (but won't) ask Babcock. That's a recipe for bad.

Babcock more or less completely ignores what is actually happening on the ice and just plays the match up he wants. For some reason he has it in his head that the third pairing plays with the fourth line so that’s what we get.

Regardless of how badly it worked out tonight, we’ll probably see it again next game because that’s how Mike rolls.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 10:02:23 PM
Also the JVR-Bozak-Brown line goes from a brutal game together to a dominant one: 80% CF tonight. JVR was on the ice for just 3 shot attempts against, Bozak and Brown 4. It's really too bad we couldn't get a goal from them.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Also the JVR-Bozak-Brown line goes from a brutal game together to a dominant one: 80% CF tonight. JVR was on the ice for just 3 shot attempts against, Bozak and Brown 4. It's really too bad we couldn't get a goal from them.

Of all the recent losses, this one upsets me the least.  Except the atrocious 5/3.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2018, 10:15:53 PM
Of all the recent losses, this one upsets me the least.  Except the atrocious 5/3.

Yeah, this was a good game. The Leafs top-9 all performed very well. The 5-man shutdown unit kept the MacKinnon line in-check and off the scoresheet (except for the empty-netter), the Matthews line was flying, and the Bozak line and the Dermott-Carrick pairing dominated their shot-shares and kept the puck in the offensive zone for most of their time on the ice. It was the bottom of the line-up that literally cost the team the win. That's disappointing because it's such an easy position on the team to upgrade.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 22, 2018, 10:21:47 PM
Of all the recent losses, this one upsets me the least.  Except the atrocious 5/3.

Yeah, this was a good game. The Leafs top-9 all performed very well. The 5-man shutdown unit kept the MacKinnon line in-check and off the scoresheet (except for the empty-netter), the Matthews line was flying, and the Bozak line and the Dermott-Carrick pairing dominated their shot-shares and kept the puck in the offensive zone for most of their time on the ice. It was the bottom of the line-up that literally cost the team the win. That's disappointing because it's such an easy position on the team to upgrade.

Bang on, all round.  I am thoroughly convinced that, at this point in the season, Babcock is not primarily interested in winning night in and night out so long as they eke out enough points.  He knows the Leafs have an easy glide to the playoffs in the division this year. 

As revealed now, he wants to belicheck the Leafs into a dynasty team.  Admirable, but at some point you have to let Matthews be Tom Brady and make him your go-to guy when the game is on the line.  At least he got him and his line out there tonight with 1:49 left.  I still think he should call more timeouts in those situations.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Dappleganger on January 22, 2018, 10:30:57 PM

Three guys walk into an arena...
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Apparently that was Tim Cook. He is in town.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/apple-ceo-tim-cook-surprises-toronto-students-in-first-canada-visit/article37681868/
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 22, 2018, 10:49:04 PM
It was the bottom of the line-up that literally cost the team the win. That's disappointing because it's such an easy position on the team to upgrade.

I've been mulling this, obviously, and harping on it a bit in previous seasons.

While I would love to have speed all the way through the lineup, and players that don't handle the puck like live grenades all the time, at this point, I don't think the Leafs see enough value in spending to upgrade the bottom, or at the minimum turning over assets to do so.

Parts to upgrade: Martin, Komarov, Polak, Gauthier/Moore
Internally, we already have players better than them, except for Gauthier/Moore, which is a bit of a black hole unless you really lean into playing the 4th line offensively and just take your chances without a 'shutdown' safety net. All the upgrades are currently better served playing key minutes with the Marlies and gunning for a championship down there, even though they are clearly NHL-caliber players, simply because the 4th line 10 minutes are not developmentally helpful.

Reactionary internal upgrades also means trading those players above for the sake of space, rather than because there is a reasonable return. Coupled with these upgrade players getting bum minutes (most likely) and losing assets for nothing, there's a bit more value in riding them out until closer to the deadline to see what other teams are after.

At the deadline though, if anything north of a 4 rder is in the conversation, I will be happy to take that addition by subtraction on those above players, and liquidating Bozak and JvR as well to form the basis of upgrade trades at C and maybe D. I'm pretty comfortable with Dermott playing bottom-4 minutes, so our focus really should be on getting a speedy centre (or two) with a defensive pedigree. It'd be nice to see the Front Office move a bit more ruthlessly.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 22, 2018, 11:32:50 PM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.
Matthews cost them the game
Seriously? Where was Dermott going? Dermott stays where he's supposed to be and it's a non issue. That's why Matthews let up because Dermott was there but then for whatever reason decided to go help check the covered man..Weird..
How about Marner on the Borg cough up? Nice effort.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Hobbes on January 23, 2018, 07:41:01 AM
...For some reason he has it in his head that the third pairing plays with the fourth line so that’s what we get.
The problem is if you roll out the top pair or 2nd pair, you know the next guys coming over the boards are the other team's top line and you don't want you best pairing gassed. If the bottom pair sucks, get a better bottom pair. If the bottom line sucks, get a better bottom line. Both sides typically do the same thing so mostly it's whether your crappiest players are better or worse than the other team's crappiest players.

And in this game, Marner was playing on the 4th line for much of the night and they were 31%. I get that Martin isn't the best player in the universe but he didn't seem to be all that much of an issue last night.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Coco-puffs on January 23, 2018, 09:45:27 AM
Voluntarily putting Gauthier and Polak out against the MacKinnon line, good coaching.

I know I'm responding to a post from about 10 pages ago, but I often watch the game in non-realtime (getting daughter to bed etc) and like reading this thread the next day.

Anyways:  I'm not sure what else you expect after 2.5 mins of Leafs power play:

1.  Avs are going to put their top line out, as they've been off the ice for most of the PK (except Landeskog, who gets spot duty)
2.  8 of our forwards have just split the last 2.5 mins of ice-time, with Gauthier, Hyman, Komarov, and Martin the freshest bodies on forward.  PP ends and almost always the line of the 3 former players comes out. 
3.  Usually your two offensive D-men have also just been on the PP (Gardiner and Rielly/Carrick).  Hainsey for sure is gonna be on after the PP ends... but I do think Polak is a terrible choice to join him.  Should have been Dermott.



Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: wnc096 on January 23, 2018, 11:06:05 AM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.
Matthews cost them the game
Seriously? Where was Dermott going? Dermott stays where he's supposed to be and it's a non issue. That's why Matthews let up because Dermott was there but then for whatever reason decided to go help check the covered man..Weird..
How about Marner on the Borg cough up? Nice effort.

Its the hyperbole of whats kosher other players.  if that was Komarov or Martin on that back-check instead of Matthews, they would be getting lambasted
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 23, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
Another uninspiring man advantage for Marleau. And Matthews with an ugly third period.

Babcock should have called a timeout and gotten the better power play unit out.
Matthews cost them the game
Seriously? Where was Dermott going? Dermott stays where he's supposed to be and it's a non issue. That's why Matthews let up because Dermott was there but then for whatever reason decided to go help check the covered man..Weird..
How about Marner on the Borg cough up? Nice effort.

 if that was Komarov or Martin on that back-check instead of Matthews, they would be getting lambasted
Maybe with you but not me. I was simply responding to the line that Matthews cost us the game. That simply isn't true. Could Matthews have kept going? Sure, but there was no need with Dermott there.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on January 23, 2018, 01:12:49 PM
...

Parts to upgrade: Martin, Komarov, Polak, Gauthier/Moore
Internally, we already have players better than them, except for Gauthier/Moore, which is a bit of a black hole unless you really lean into playing the 4th line offensively and just take your chances without a 'shutdown' safety net. All the upgrades are currently better served playing key minutes with the Marlies and gunning for a championship down there, even though they are clearly NHL-caliber players, simply because the 4th line 10 minutes are not developmentally helpful.

...

That's based on a false premise though, that a non-offensive line is somehow good in a shutdown role. I mean, it could be true, but there's no correlation between being good on offense and bad on defense. No true shutdown line has Matt Martin on it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 23, 2018, 01:37:48 PM
...

Parts to upgrade: Martin, Komarov, Polak, Gauthier/Moore
Internally, we already have players better than them, except for Gauthier/Moore, which is a bit of a black hole unless you really lean into playing the 4th line offensively and just take your chances without a 'shutdown' safety net. All the upgrades are currently better served playing key minutes with the Marlies and gunning for a championship down there, even though they are clearly NHL-caliber players, simply because the 4th line 10 minutes are not developmentally helpful.

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That's based on a false premise though, that a non-offensive line is somehow good in a shutdown role. I mean, it could be true, but there's no correlation between being good on offense and bad on defense. No true shutdown line has Matt Martin on it.

I agree with you that a zero-offense line, regardless of their defensive ability, is just asking for trouble and it's a problem I've wondered about in previous seasons, and basically at the advent of Martin on our lineup.

All I'm saying is that the cost to nominally upgrade the dregs of our lineup is higher than the benefit it would yield. Hockey is still a strong-link game, so the deltas between this 4th line and a differently composed one but built on the same Babcock premise of minimal event hockey, is not going to be meaningful enough to spend on.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 23, 2018, 01:39:52 PM
Hockey is still a strong-link game, so the deltas between this 4th line and a differently composed one but built on the same Babcock premise of minimal event hockey, is not going to be meaningful enough to spend on.

I don't understand what you mean by having to "spend" to get a better 4th line. We already have Moore-Marner/Brown. Add any of Leivo/Kapanen/Soshnikov once he gets healthy (;););)), and you're there. An upgrade on Moore would be ok but he's a perfectly capable 4C.

I don't even think our 4th line of Martin-Moore-whoever was that much of a problem prior to Gauthier coming in. It was scoring at a reasonable rate and keeping the shot-shares close. The Goat really tanked it.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on January 23, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
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Parts to upgrade: Martin, Komarov, Polak, Gauthier/Moore
Internally, we already have players better than them, except for Gauthier/Moore, which is a bit of a black hole unless you really lean into playing the 4th line offensively and just take your chances without a 'shutdown' safety net. All the upgrades are currently better served playing key minutes with the Marlies and gunning for a championship down there, even though they are clearly NHL-caliber players, simply because the 4th line 10 minutes are not developmentally helpful.

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That's based on a false premise though, that a non-offensive line is somehow good in a shutdown role. I mean, it could be true, but there's no correlation between being good on offense and bad on defense. No true shutdown line has Matt Martin on it.

I agree with you that a zero-offense line, regardless of their defensive ability, is just asking for trouble and it's a problem I've wondered about in previous seasons, and basically at the advent of Martin on our lineup.

All I'm saying is that the cost to nominally upgrade the dregs of our lineup is higher than the benefit it would yield. Hockey is still a strong-link game, so the deltas between this 4th line and a differently composed one but built on the same Babcock premise of minimal event hockey, is not going to be meaningful enough to spend on.

I agree with you there, but I also agree with CtB's follow-up. The cost is nothing at this point. Last night wasn't a minimal event experience for the 4th line.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 23, 2018, 01:56:04 PM
Hockey is still a strong-link game, so the deltas between this 4th line and a differently composed one but built on the same Babcock premise of minimal event hockey, is not going to be meaningful enough to spend on.

I don't understand what you mean by having to "spend" to get a better 4th line. We already have Moore-Marner/Brown. Add any of Leivo/Kapanen/Soshnikov once he gets healthy (;););)), and you're there. An upgrade on Moore would be ok but he's a perfectly capable 4C.

I don't even think our 4th line of Martin-Moore-whoever was that much of a problem prior to Gauthier coming in. It was scoring at a reasonable rate and keeping the shot-shares close. The Goat really tanked it.

There's a a potential asset loss to cramming all those guys into the roster. We've got some injuries now, but when we don't, either the exempt players get loaned, a vet gets waived, or someone gets traded. I don't think those trades will result in much at this moment, but they probably get picked up on waivers. It's a freed up contract slot, but it's also the team waiving a guy the coach has been asking them to emulate the habits of for the past two years. Most would say, then don't ask players to emulate them... *shrug* this is where we are already.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Hobbes on January 23, 2018, 01:58:43 PM
Hockey is still a strong-link game, so the deltas between this 4th line and a differently composed one but built on the same Babcock premise of minimal event hockey, is not going to be meaningful enough to spend on.

I don't understand what you mean by having to "spend" to get a better 4th line. We already have Moore-Marner/Brown. Add any of Leivo/Kapanen/Soshnikov once he gets healthy (;););)), and you're there. An upgrade on Moore would be ok but he's a perfectly capable 4C.

I don't even think our 4th line of Martin-Moore-whoever was that much of a problem prior to Gauthier coming in. It was scoring at a reasonable rate and keeping the shot-shares close. The Goat really tanked it.

That's something that I've wondered about. I know a lot of people here have a serious hate on for Martin but he isn't all that terrible a player. Hands of stone, sure, but he is pretty consistent on the forecheck, doesn't cough the puck up a lot, is a reliable worker, and does provide a bit of muscle on the odd occasion when it's needed. I understand people questioning whether he's any sort of deterrent against other teams targeting our smaller skilled players but I don't think he's quite the hopeless case that people seem to think he is.

I suppose the argument is add even more skill to the lineup by replacing him with someone else, but only Sosh or perhaps Leivo brings that same heavy play to the table (or Leo but he's already dressing). I think there are a few intangibles about his attitude and work ethic and attention to detail that appeal to management as an example to younger players, but I suspect his tenure is limited to his current contract or could get moved before that if someone is knocking at the door to take his spot.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on January 23, 2018, 01:59:30 PM
Btw, I'm the guy who wanted a Leivo-Holland-Brown 4th line last year, and wished for Seth Griffith to have room in the top-9, so I'm very open to getting rid of Martin, Gauthier, Polak, Komarov, and just playing pond hockey. We wouldn't win with that in the long run, but it's hella fun to watch.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 23, 2018, 02:00:48 PM
There's a a potential asset loss to cramming all those guys into the roster. We've got some injuries now, but when we don't, either the exempt players get loaned, a vet gets waived, or someone gets traded. I don't think those trades will result in much at this moment, but they probably get picked up on waivers. It's a freed up contract slot, but it's also the team waiving a guy the coach has been asking them to emulate the habits of for the past two years. Most would say, then don't ask players to emulate them... *shrug* this is where we are already.

That's not really a problem. When we're entirely healthy one of Dermott or Borgman are going to have to get sent down, and then Kapanen will have to go back down too. Two of Leivo-Martin-Soshnikov are in the pressbox along with Carrick or Polak (but probably Carrick) while the other plays. Nobody lost on waivers, nobody needs to get traded.

Again, the biggest problem with our 4th line has already been solved (Gauthier). We should be fine there going forward with the guys already on our roster.
Title: Re: Avalanche @ Leafs - Jan. 22nd, 7:00pm - SNO, TSN 1050
Post by: Highlander on January 23, 2018, 07:51:50 PM
There's a a potential asset loss to cramming all those guys into the roster. We've got some injuries now, but when we don't, either the exempt players get loaned, a vet gets waived, or someone gets traded. I don't think those trades will result in much at this moment, but they probably get picked up on waivers. It's a freed up contract slot, but it's also the team waiving a guy the coach has been asking them to emulate the habits of for the past two years. Most would say, then don't ask players to emulate them... *shrug* this is where we are already.

That's not really a problem. When we're entirely healthy one of Dermott or Borgman are going to have to get sent down, and then Kapanen will have to go back down too. Two of Leivo-Martin-Soshnikov are in the pressbox along with Carrick or Polak (but probably Carrick) while the other plays. Nobody lost on waivers, nobody needs to get traded.

Again, the biggest problem with our 4th line has already been solved (Gauthier). We should be fine there going forward with the guys already on our roster.
Don't know about you but I feel a trade is in the air. I feel that we have a situation were we are going to clear out a lot of prospects (a la Grabner trade) including the Goat, Leivo etc.  They are going to need some space with the 50 man limit and lets face it the Goat, Leivo are not going anywhere in this organization......anymore.  Throw in about 2 others and Komarov or Bozo and a deal is done.