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Title: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 08:24:23 AM
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39-30-10, 88 points | 39-25-15, 93 points

Projected Lines

Palat-Point-Kucherov
Erne-Johnson-Namestnikov
Killorn-Gourde-Drouin
Vermin-McKegg-Dumont

Hedman-Dotchin
Stralman-Witkowski
Coburn-Sustr

Vasilevskiy
             
Hyman-Matthews-Nylander
Komarov-Kadri-Brown
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Martin-Boyle-Kapanen

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Rielly-Carrick
Hunwick-Polak

Andersen

Scratches

J.T. Brown
Michael Bournival
Cory Conacher
Jason Garrison
      
Martin Marincin
Alexey Marchenko
Ben Smith
Josh Leivo
Nikita Soshnikov

Game Notes

TB
•Vasilevskiy (20-17-7, 2.67 GAA, .915 Sv%) will likely start for the Lightning
•Vasilevskiy went on a tear post-Bishop trade, but has since come back to earth. He's just 3-4-1 with a .900 Sv% in his last 8 games
•All eyes have been on Steven Stamkos at Tampa's practices lately. He's considered day to day but it's looking more and more likely that he won't return in the regular season
•Tyler Johnson returned to Tampa's lineup on Sunday after missing 11 games with a lower body injury, but was limited to just 15:32 in ice-time. He is not fully recovered from that injury
•This is a must win game for Tampa. They need to win their final 3 games in regulation/OT for even a chance to make the playoffs

TOR
•Andersen (33-15-14, 2.65 GAA, .919 Sv%) will start for the Leafs
•There was no update on Boyle yesterday, so we'll have to wait and see on that situation
•A win tonight clinches a playoff berth for the Leafs. It's that simple.

Injuries

•J.T. Brown - Undisclosed - Questionable Thursday
•Jason Garrison - Lower Body - Questionable Thursday
•Cedric Paquette - Leg - Injured Reserve
•Ryan Callahan - Hip - Injured Reserve
•Steven Stamkos - Knee - Day to day
      
•Nathan Horton - Back - Out indefinitely
•Joffrey Lupul - ¯\_(?)_/¯ - Out indefinitely
•Stephane Robidas - Old - Out indefinitely
•Eric Fehr - Hand - Out indefinitely
•Nikita Soshnikov - Undisclosed - Day to day
•Josh Leivo - Undisclosed - Day to day
•Brian Boyle - Upper Body - Questionable Thursday

Stream Options

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLstreams
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2017, 08:30:40 AM
Clinch night!  Let's win this!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: RedLeaf on April 06, 2017, 08:52:45 AM
The set-up for this match doesn't need much elaboration.

Win and they're in, lose and there's a bad moon a-rising.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2017, 08:55:05 AM
I have to believe Stamkos is dressing tonight.  Desperation time for Tampa.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 11:42:43 AM
Boyle's in tonight.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 06, 2017, 11:50:10 AM
Boyle's in tonight.

I just need a W Leafs, c'mon! Go Leafs Go!!!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 12:06:35 PM
I have to believe Stamkos is dressing tonight.  Desperation time for Tampa.

Stamkos and Johnson on ice for practice, neither in line rushes, though. Both look like game time decisions.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: pmrules on April 06, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
No Stamkos tonight as per sportsnet (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/steven-stamkos-probably-not-returning-season/).
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2017, 02:57:39 PM
No Stamkos tonight as per sportsnet (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/steven-stamkos-probably-not-returning-season/).

I'll believe it when I don't see him.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on April 06, 2017, 06:00:20 PM
Boyle's in tonight.

I like what he has brought and is happy with 4th
line and spot duty higher. I think he'd make the 4th
line one of the better ones on the league. I'd be in favor
of signing him for 3 hopefully not 4 years at $3-$3.5.

May not be realistic in this NHL though.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 06:05:51 PM
Finger nail eatin' time...yii-haaa.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on April 06, 2017, 06:08:11 PM
Boyle's in tonight.

I like what he has brought and is happy with 4th
line and spot duty higher. I think he'd make the 4th
line one of the better ones on the league. I'd be in favor
of signing him for 3 hopefully not 4 years at $3-$3.5.

May not be realistic in this NHL though.

He makes $2M now. I wouldn't go much higher than that.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 07:38:14 PM
mirtle: The Lightning tonight:

Palat - Point - Kucherov
Killorn - Gourde - Conacher
Namestnikov - Drouin - Erne
Dumont - McKegg - Bournival

No Stammer. No Johnson.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on April 06, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
Boyle's in tonight.

I like what he has brought and is happy with 4th
line and spot duty higher. I think he'd make the 4th
line one of the better ones on the league. I'd be in favor
of signing him for 3 hopefully not 4 years at $3-$3.5.

May not be realistic in this NHL though.

He makes $2M now. I wouldn't go much higher than that.

I wasn't aware. I thought he was closer to the $3
mil mark. Unfortunately UFA's are a little nuts
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 06, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
mirtle: The Lightning tonight:

Palat - Point - Kucherov
Killorn - Gourde - Conacher
Namestnikov - Drouin - Erne
Dumont - McKegg - Bournival

No Stammer. No Johnson.

Yeah, if they can't get it done against that crop they are probably not playoff ready.
Title: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 06, 2017, 07:45:52 PM
That was a minor league play there from Kapanen, throws the puck away blindly just inside his own blueline  while trying to avoid a big hit, not saying he should just take the hit, but he absolutely has to make sure it goes out first.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 07:54:29 PM
That was a minor league play there from Kapanen, throws the puck away blindly just inside his own blueline  while trying to avoid a big hit, not saying he should just take the hit, but he absolutely has to make sure it goes out first.

If I recall the play correctly, that was Jake Dotchin lining him up for the hit, who is the same guy that Marchand speared and also the same Syracuse Crunch player that boarded Kapanen earlier in the year. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 07:55:35 PM
Tampa playing like they have nothing to lose, all out tonight.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
Time to wake up boys.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:04:05 PM
Such a great puck holding shift by Matthews, Nylander, and Polak.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 08:06:50 PM
One goal here and the Leafs should loosen up a bit. Playing nervous
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
Dotchin with an elbow and knee to Matthews which should be an interference.

Naturally no call.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on April 06, 2017, 08:11:42 PM
Hit the net dang it!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on April 06, 2017, 08:11:48 PM
Matthews's parents didn't look impressed.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 06, 2017, 08:12:22 PM
Someone better break Dotchin's face after that, dirty piece of garbage.

Seriously, pummel him.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
"We don’t get slapped around ever." -Babcock on Martin's impact

As some AHL goon knees our franchise player.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:14:25 PM
Matthews is playing fired up.

We can fill in Dotchin after we put up a couple of goals.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 08:14:54 PM
"We don’t get slapped around ever." -Babcock on Martin's impact

As some AHL goon knees our franchise player.

In fairness to Babcock, there was no slapping involved.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 08:14:55 PM
Someone better break Dotchin's face after that, dirty piece of garbage.

Seriously, pummel him.

As you might know, that's the same guy who took Kapanen out of the lineup earlier this year in the AHL.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 08:16:24 PM
Leafs look a bit nervous tonight. Like a young team over-excited about being close to clinching a playoff spot or something . . .
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:17:42 PM
Matthews is so pissed.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
Matthews is so pissed.

Like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 08:23:19 PM
Someone better break Dotchin's face after that, dirty piece of garbage.

Seriously, pummel him.

As you might know, that's the same guy who took Kapanen out of the lineup earlier this year in the AHL.

Haha so funny. No comeback by anyone. Doe's it surprise you. Martin may say something to him at some point in this game but PP or no PP someone should have went after him.I hate Marchand more than this guy but I'd like to know what made Marchand spear him.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 06, 2017, 08:29:56 PM
Yeah, I kept quiet about the Marchand spear on the douchebag because I remembered him almost crippling Kapanen earlier in the year.

Seriously, I know it's a big game and the points are paramount, but if they don't answer that hit it will serve notice to every rat we are about to play, that it is open season on whoever you like and next time he might not walk it off.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on April 06, 2017, 08:30:43 PM
Matthews is so pissed.

Like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.

Gold Jerry Gold!

Thanks for the true lol.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 08:38:06 PM
Yeah, I kept quiet about the Marchand spear on the douchebag because I remembered him almost crippling Kapanen earlier in the year.

Seriously, I know it's a big game and the points are paramount, but if they don't answer that hit it will serve notice to every rat we are about to play, that it is open season on whoever you like and next time he might not walk it off.

I've seen numerous times when opposition players took liberties on our younger players and no response whatsoever. That's what I mean when I harp about the team being soft. teams don't fear the Leafs like OV running roughshod every time he plays us. team has to stand up to that sh*t. Otherwise you're 100% correct teams take notice and they'll go out and do it. Teams already know that though with this Leaf team.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:40:37 PM
Nylander with yet another beautiful blue line hold.

Coburn dumping Matthews into the net. The hit list grows.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:42:06 PM
I like the Leafs going with a red line set up down low with JvR.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
I like the bump pass from low to high that they're doing now.

Namestnikov took that Nylander shot on the best possible part of his face.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
Check one off the list.

Coburn had put two pretty mean hits on Matthews previously.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 08:46:43 PM
Nice puck face stop.  :P
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:48:11 PM
Nice puck face stop.  :P

Username checks out.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
Not enough justice, but better than nothing for the Mathews hit
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
*adds an imaginary assist to Matthews' point total after that Hyman missed opportunity*
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 08:50:19 PM
Nice puck face stop.  :P

Username checks out.

Hehehe...took me a sec. to catch that.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 08:52:41 PM
Smart penalty by Polak.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on April 06, 2017, 08:53:03 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:55:11 PM
Bah.

Point's their better, younger Bozak.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:57:29 PM
What were you doing, Andy?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 06, 2017, 08:58:04 PM
Who needs the playoffs anyways?  Leaf fans had 82 glorious games of Nylanders hair.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on April 06, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
We rule man
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 08:58:36 PM
KADRI
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 08:58:59 PM
That was Nazty

I remember Kadri and Bozak had pretty good chemistry together last year.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:00:25 PM
Marner - Boyle - Kapanen line :)
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 09:01:12 PM
Double the speed with a banger line
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
That was Nazty

I remember Kadri and Bozak had pretty good chemistry together last year.

Good thing he got to it first because Komarov was right behind him. Probably would have been tipped out of play lol.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
Yes! Leafs are waking up.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:03:24 PM
That was Nazty

I remember Kadri and Bozak had pretty good chemistry together last year.

Good thing he got to it first because Komarov was right behind him. Probably would have been tipped out of play lol.

An argument could be made that Komarov's presence kept Vasilevskiy off the post. What a deft touch on that great centring feed by Hunwick.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:06:39 PM
That shouldn't be a penalty.

Science prevails!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 09:07:24 PM
It would have taken the refs a fraction of the time to just look at the scoreboard for the replay to make the right call than what they actually did.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on April 06, 2017, 09:08:07 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 09:08:18 PM
Ugh they should have called that penalty.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 4EVRLEAFAN on April 06, 2017, 09:08:32 PM
Oops!
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:08:57 PM
Lol. What a beast.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 06, 2017, 09:11:51 PM
TSN talking about how Tyler Johnson was an undrafted free agent reminds me that Chicago was VERY close to signing him instead of Tampa. Imagine him behind Toews and playing with Kane?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:12:13 PM
Nylander is friggin wonderful.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:12:43 PM
Kucherov is a star but that was poor defending as far as I'm concerned reilly jumped up and then got caught and Polak backing in. Not sure if that was tipped either by Polak.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 06, 2017, 09:13:26 PM
TSN talking about how Tyler Johnson was an undrafted free agent reminds me that Chicago was VERY close to signing him instead of Tampa. Imagine him behind Toews and playing with Kane?

Probably the same as playing behind Stamkos and playing with Kucherov.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Arn on April 06, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
I can't cope
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 06, 2017, 09:16:23 PM
TSN talking about how Tyler Johnson was an undrafted free agent reminds me that Chicago was VERY close to signing him instead of Tampa. Imagine him behind Toews and playing with Kane?

Probably the same as playing behind Stamkos and playing with Kucherov.

Without 2 Cups...

Can I Panic already?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 09:16:45 PM
Getting some fire going now. Boot these guys back down the standings where they belong.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 06, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
Are we allowed to panic yet?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 4EVRLEAFAN on April 06, 2017, 09:18:33 PM
What a save! Turning point?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 06, 2017, 09:18:42 PM
TSN talking about how Tyler Johnson was an undrafted free agent reminds me that Chicago was VERY close to signing him instead of Tampa. Imagine him behind Toews and playing with Kane?

Probably the same as playing behind Stamkos and playing with Kucherov.

Without 2 Cups...

Can I Panic already?

Watch some game tape of Carey Price.  Let his calming influence wash over you.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:19:31 PM
Jesu* Chr*** Reilly get your head out of your a**.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 06, 2017, 09:21:17 PM
For those focused on the game, the U.S. has launched 50 tomahawk missiles at Syria, Assad has some very powerful allies, we stand on the brink of a world war.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
For those focused on the game, the U.S. has launched 50 tomahawk missiles at Syria, Assad has some very powerful allies, we stand on the brink of a world war.

Um crap.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 06, 2017, 09:22:21 PM
There seemed to be a lot less stress involved trying to get the first overall pick.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
There seemed to be a lot less stress involved trying to get the first overall pick.

LOL I agree. But we tanked at the right time.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on April 06, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
For those focused on the game, the U.S. has launched 50 tomahawk missiles at Syrian​, Assad has some very powerful allies, we stand on the brink of a world war.

Not good.  Lack of political experience coupled with a fairly powerful army is proving to be a bad combination.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 09:28:57 PM
For those focused on the game, the U.S. has launched 50 tomahawk missiles at Syria, Assad has some very powerful allies, we stand on the brink of a world war.

Well, this world was nice while it lasted.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:32:49 PM
For those focused on the game, the U.S. has launched 50 tomahawk missiles at Syria, Assad has some very powerful allies, we stand on the brink of a world war.

Well, this world was nice while it lasted.

Leafs on the verge of legit playoffs. Of course.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:34:25 PM
Well one period to get some points out of this. Making it hard on themselves. I have not been impressed with the effort tonight at home against a depleted TB team. Oh well have 20 minutes to salvage this game.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:35:54 PM
Ottawa and Boston probably going to OT. Go figure.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on April 06, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
This team is clearly running on fumes right now.  I mean 6 games in 9 nights to finish the season? Who makes up this bs schedule anyway? It's certainly not doing us any favours.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 06, 2017, 09:39:53 PM

On the somewhat positive front Columbus has lost and Pittsburgh will win which means the Leafs' games against them will be meaningless to either team and might see them rest up.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on April 06, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
Well one period to get some points out of this. Making it hard on themselves. I have not been impressed with the effort tonight at home against a depleted TB team. Oh well have 20 minutes to salvage this game.

3rd tough game in 4 nights...only so much effort you are able to give when body isn't willing.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 09:51:30 PM
Tampa came out to play in the 3rd.  The Leafs have not.  Disappointing.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on April 06, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
We stink BTW...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: AlmosGirl on April 06, 2017, 09:52:58 PM
Tampa came out to play in the 3rd.  The Leafs have not.  Disappointing.

Yep. It's like they've given up.  :'(
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Boyle's in tonight.

I like what he has brought and is happy with 4th
line and spot duty higher. I think he'd make the 4th
line one of the better ones on the league. I'd be in favor
of signing him for 3 hopefully not 4 years at $3-$3.5.

May not be realistic in this NHL though.

He makes $2M now. I wouldn't go much higher than that.

He has 3 assists and 0 goals in 18 games with the Leafs.  I'm not sure that we should be icing a 4th line that scores 10 goals in a season.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
So many drop/back passes.  Tampa isn't letting Toronto through.  Maybe try another strategy.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Arn on April 06, 2017, 09:56:23 PM
Very disappointing so far
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 09:56:53 PM
Tonight is one of the rare nights the Leafs have really looked like a young, inexperienced team. Unfortunately, that's two games in a row at the worst time of the season for it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
Well one period to get some points out of this. Making it hard on themselves. I have not been impressed with the effort tonight at home against a depleted TB team. Oh well have 20 minutes to salvage this game.

3rd tough game in 4 nights...only so much effort you are able to give when body isn't willing.

They didn't do much Tuesday and I get the hectic schedule but if you can't get up for this game with a mostly young team c'mon. Haven't liked their intensity all night. I can see being outplayed by Washington but TB isn't Washington and with the players they are missing I expected the Leafs to come out flying and taking a stranglehold on this game early but wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 09:57:47 PM

On the somewhat positive front Columbus has lost and Pittsburgh will win which means the Leafs' games against them will be meaningless to either team and might see them rest up.

I'm thinking this too.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 10:02:10 PM
The Leafs use of point shots tonight.  They stand still and wait to shoot but it's allowing Tampa to clog the shooting lane even more.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Arn on April 06, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Took over 9 minutes to get the first shot of the period
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 10:08:54 PM
Kadri was ahead of the Tampa player and they call icing. A minute later a similar play and the refs waive off the icing for Tampa despite the Leafs being ahead of the puck.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 10:10:08 PM
I don't mind this trade.

Good job Hunwick
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on April 06, 2017, 10:10:53 PM
That's twice recently that Bozak went after a guy like that.  I'm really starting to like him now that he's not over his head playing on the first line.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 10:11:01 PM
I don't mind this trade.

This would be a time where you would hope guys like Bozak and JVR would step up and show some of their veteran experience in the league.  They have both been pretty AWOL.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: puckinthehead on April 06, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
4 on 4, time for a burst of speed.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Arn on April 06, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
Leafs don't even lòok like threatening two shots never mind scoring twice
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 10:12:04 PM
What a nice shot
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 06, 2017, 10:12:06 PM
Whoooaaaa .... just came in to watch them make it 4-1.  Not good.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on April 06, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
We stink dudes..
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 10:12:34 PM
Tampa looks bigger and way faster than Toronto at this point. 

4-1 Tampa.   Choke job for the team in progress.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Arn on April 06, 2017, 10:12:42 PM
Well, it's been an enjoyable season no matter what happens at the weekend I suppose
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 10:13:06 PM
4-1 in the third. I've seen this go the other way before.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 06, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
What the hell did Hunwick do on that play?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 06, 2017, 10:14:46 PM

Anyways...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:15:10 PM
What are the odds the Leafs go 0-6 to close out the season after this game?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 06, 2017, 10:15:15 PM
It is official i've panicked
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 06, 2017, 10:16:33 PM
They haven't made anything look easy all year. Why would we think different. I just wish they would have taken one of the top 3 spots in the division. Making it harder on themselves. Oh well see you Saturday.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
Polak definitely taking lessons from Nylander.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on April 06, 2017, 10:18:32 PM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:20:12 PM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.

Tough for me to think this was an effort issue this late in the season. Something else is lacking.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 06, 2017, 10:22:50 PM
Martin takes a game management penalty and is going to have first dibs on the showers.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: disco on April 06, 2017, 10:23:02 PM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.

Tough for me to think this was an effort issue this late in the season. Something else is lacking.

Stop watching. 11-2-1 before Washington and Tampa. You're pathetic. I still love 'em.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.

Tough for me to think this was an effort issue this late in the season. Something else is lacking.

Stop watching. 11-2-1 before Washington and Tampa. You're pathetic. I still love 'em.

Really? Pathetic and stop watching because I think they're trying hard, but lack experience and have some growing both physically and mentally to do?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: disco on April 06, 2017, 10:30:03 PM
I was talking to lamajama.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:30:56 PM
I was talking to lamajama.

Your quoting skills suck.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 06, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Tough to watch.  Was hoping for the stress levels to go down not up. Lol.

Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: disco on April 06, 2017, 10:31:44 PM
I was talking to lamajama.

Your quoting skills suck.

Fair enough. I appreciated your point.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Al14 on April 06, 2017, 10:34:44 PM
We'll win both games on the weekend.  Book it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
I was talking to lamajama.

Your quoting skills suck.

Fair enough. I appreciated your point.

Sorry, I'm just pissy cause I was hoping for a big win and instead it was a loss and an Ott/Bos OT game. Going to go smash some eggs now.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 10:37:28 PM
What are the odds the Leafs go 0-6 to close out the season after this game?

0%, unless they've extended the season to 84 games without telling anyone.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
What are the odds the Leafs go 0-6 to close out the season after this game?

0%, unless they've extended the season to 84 games without telling anyone.

Figured someone would say that, but if I said year, I'd get another comment about games in Sept-Dec, and season + post season seemed to dull the concept.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on April 06, 2017, 10:41:10 PM
What are the odds the Leafs go 0-6 to close out the season after this game?

0%, unless they've extended the season to 84 games without telling anyone.

Figured someone would say that, but if I said year, I'd get another comment about games in Sept-Dec, and season + post season seemed to dull the concept.

Then, you probably should have gone with 0-8. :P
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: disco on April 06, 2017, 10:44:37 PM
Well, it's been an enjoyable season no matter what happens at the weekend I suppose
x2 Just a helluva season, one for the ages. Beginning of a new era. Need a dubb against CBJ or PIT to put this bastard to rest and see some post-season :D
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: disco on April 06, 2017, 10:46:10 PM
I was talking to lamajama.

Your quoting skills suck.

Fair enough. I appreciated your point.

Sorry, I'm just pissy cause I was hoping for a big win and instead it was a loss and an Ott/Bos OT game. Going to go smash some eggs now.

Yeah, me too Bill. Imagine how they feel...
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
I was talking to lamajama.

Your quoting skills suck.

Fair enough. I appreciated your point.

Sorry, I'm just pissy cause I was hoping for a big win and instead it was a loss and an Ott/Bos OT game. Going to go smash some eggs now.

Yeah, me too Bill. Imagine how they feel...

I think it was this season in a 100 Memories moment, or whatever they call it, on Sportsnet that I heard comments about the team freaking out in the dressing room after the '93 non-call. I've had some angry moments over the years and it really does make me feel better to think the player are even angrier than I am.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 06, 2017, 10:53:18 PM

There've just been too many 3rd periods like this for me to be super invested in whether the team makes the playoffs or not. They've already wildly exceeded expectations, the playoffs should be seen as a nice bonus and not something to lose our minds over.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bill_Berg on April 06, 2017, 10:57:00 PM

There've just been too many 3rd periods like this for me to be super invested in whether the team makes the playoffs or not. They've already wildly exceeded expectations, the playoffs should be seen as a nice bonus and not something to lose our minds over.

It's hard not to be greedy.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on April 06, 2017, 11:11:02 PM
Hard to watch a team lose like that twice in a row. But you know they wouldn't even be near here without going on that very improbable late run. They can still get in without winning any games remaining though.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 06, 2017, 11:31:45 PM
Tough to watch.  Was hoping for the stress levels to go down not up. Lol.


Guess they'll need to accomplish things the hard way, and that means defeating Pittsburgh Saturday night.  If only they had won tonight, they could have relaxed a little, instead of feeling the pressure of the situation especially in front of the home crowd.

No one had any expectations of this team to have come this far this year, still,  when you're so close to clinching a playoff which is the position they find themselves in, it's tough to ignore and the pressure builds.

I'm still somehow optimistic they'll sqeak in but it won't be easy and whoever's in the net will need to be great.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on April 07, 2017, 02:05:45 AM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.

Tough for me to think this was an effort issue this late in the season. Something else is lacking.

Stop watching. 11-2-1 before Washington and Tampa. You're pathetic. I still love 'em.

I'm pathetic? Just because they had everything in their favour tonight. Everything! And they still came up with this performance. I'm the one who's pathetic? KMA, my friend. I've been watching this team longer than you've been alive and yet I'm still here. I have every right as a fan to be teed off and not look at them through rose coloured glasses.

This was extremely disappointing. Now they play 2 of the best teams in the NHL and will need to play an awful lot better and have now set themselves up for the Caps -if they make it.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 07, 2017, 02:47:11 AM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.

Tough for me to think this was an effort issue this late in the season. Something else is lacking.

Stop watching. 11-2-1 before Washington and Tampa. You're pathetic. I still love 'em.

I'm pathetic? Just because they had everything in their favour tonight. Everything! And they still came up with this performance. I'm the one who's pathetic? KMA, my friend. I've been watching this team longer than you've been alive and yet I'm still here. I have every right as a fan to be teed off and not look at them through rose coloured glasses.

This was extremely disappointing. Now they play 2 of the best teams in the NHL and will need to play an awful lot better and have now set themselves up for the Caps -if they make it.
 

Face the Caps or no playoffs.  Which is better?  8)
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 07, 2017, 06:28:49 AM

There've just been too many 3rd periods like this for me to be super invested in whether the team makes the playoffs or not. They've already wildly exceeded expectations, the playoffs should be seen as a nice bonus and not something to lose our minds over.
When you have 4 remaining home games to end the season, and missing the playoffs means you would lose all 4 in regulation, how can you not be invested?  Last night was an embarrassing loss. Tampa has so many injuries and Leafs a healthy lineup and yet they laid that egg. Two more like that and this goes down as another 18 wheeler type collapse.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: herman on April 07, 2017, 07:26:18 AM
If we could all predict how a hockey game turns out by looking at lineup cards and records there'd be no point watching.

Hockey results are still very much luck derived where team skill and systems try to stack the probabilities in their favour. It's a game of mistakes and some nights you don't cash in on the ones you encounter and create, and some nights you do.

Despite what Kucherov demonstrated last night, no one can truly will goals to happen, only try to set up an environment in which it becomes very likely.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 07, 2017, 07:53:20 AM
When you have 4 remaining home games to end the season, and missing the playoffs means you would lose all 4 in regulation, how can you not be invested?

Pretty easily. I've never really thought them making the playoffs was of huge importance and it's dead simple to maintain that.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on April 07, 2017, 08:11:34 AM
When you have 4 remaining home games to end the season, and missing the playoffs means you would lose all 4 in regulation, how can you not be invested?

Pretty easily. I've never really thought them making the playoffs was of huge importance and it's dead simple to maintain that.

I think this is fair.  If you look at our preseason prediction thread, only a single poster put the Leafs in legitimate playoff contention at 93 points.    It's still frustrating to see just how far away from being a legitimate contender this team is.  I'm mildly concerned that they won't have the opportunity to find that defenseman who fills the role that they need.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 07, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
When you have 4 remaining home games to end the season, and missing the playoffs means you would lose all 4 in regulation, how can you not be invested?

Pretty easily. I've never really thought them making the playoffs was of huge importance and it's dead simple to maintain that.

I think this is fair.  If you look at our preseason prediction thread, only a single poster put the Leafs in legitimate playoff contention at 93 points.    It's still frustrating to see just how far away from being a legitimate contender this team is.  I'm mildly concerned that they won't have the opportunity to find that defenseman who fills the role that they need.

There's not one guy on that team that would look back on this season as a success if they fall short here.  It doesn't matter that they overachieved all season, accumulated way more points than anyone expected.  When you push right to the brink, where you only need 1 more win out of 4 HOME GAMES, it's fairly pathetic if they're not able to accomplish that.  In 78 games leading up to the last 4, there was never a stretch all season where the Leafs played 4 straight games and didn't get at least 2 points.  To save that feat for the very last 4 games where a win puts them into the playoffs is a huge failure. 
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 07, 2017, 08:35:26 AM
There's not one guy on that team that would look back on this season as a success if they fall short here.

I don't care all that much how the guys on the team see the season but to the extent I do, I'm not sure them being frustrated by the end is all that worse than them looking back on it as a success. So long as it drives them to come back next year and work harder, failure can be a motivating factor.

  It doesn't matter that they overachieved all season, accumulated way more points than anyone expected. 

Well, that's just not true. Those things matter to me. They impact how I'll see the season and how I'll feel going forward. If you want to stew and explode about a team having a much better year than almost anyone expected you're certainly free to but it's not a universal truth.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 07, 2017, 08:44:56 AM
There's not one guy on that team that would look back on this season as a success if they fall short here.

I don't care all that much how the guys on the team see the season but to the extent I do, I'm not sure them being frustrated by the end is all that worse than them looking back on it as a success. So long as it drives them to come back next year and work harder, failure can be a motivating factor.

  It doesn't matter that they overachieved all season, accumulated way more points than anyone expected. 

Well, that's just not true. Those things matter to me. They impact how I'll see the season and how I'll feel going forward. If you want to stew and explode about a team having a much better year than almost anyone expected you're certainly free to but it's not a universal truth.

Until a group of players proves they can play with pressure it'll hang over their heads.  If they don't make it this year, next year when they're close the same questions will arise, "can you win when it matters most?"  Pressure is the equalizing factor in all sports, those that can perform when the pressure is on are winners, those that can't are the forgotten losers.   I don't want this new core to start out with that loser tag hanging on them.  It's been too good of a season to have it end like this.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Highlander on April 07, 2017, 08:54:20 AM
Both teams played chippie pond hockey, not fun to watch, all structure was out the window and their goalie was better than Freddie for one night. Painful
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 07, 2017, 08:54:38 AM
Until a group of players proves they can play with pressure it'll hang over their heads.  If they don't make it this year, next year when they're close the same questions will arise, "can you win when it matters most?" 

That's only if you buy into the preconceived narrative you're already drawing up. If the Leafs don't win either of their next games will it be because they "choked" or "folded" or will it be because the Leafs are an imperfect team going up against the #2 and #4 teams in the entire NHL and they can't just choose to win a game because they really want to?

Which likewise can be extended backwards. Their last four games of the season will include two second nights of back to backs, they'll play three of the top four teams in the entire league and will play no bad teams. None of these games were gimmes. We all knew that they were going to have a tough end to the season and the fact that they went on such a tear over the last few weeks didn't change that.

Next year's team will be different. More experienced and, hopefully, better. Sure, they'll face some difficult questions but that will be true no matter how their season ends. If they win their next two games and then get beat in the playoffs it'll be "Can they win in the playoffs?". If they win the first round but get knocked out in the second then next time they're in the second round of the playoffs it'll be "Can they win in the second?". All teams can't win until they do.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 07, 2017, 08:57:19 AM
Until a group of players proves they can play with pressure it'll hang over their heads.  If they don't make it this year, next year when they're close the same questions will arise, "can you win when it matters most?" 

That's only if you buy into the preconceived narrative you're already drawing up. If the Leafs don't win either of their next games will it be because they "choked" or "folded" or will it be because the Leafs are an imperfect team going up against the #2 and #4 teams in the entire NHL and they can't just choose to win a game because they really want to?

Which likewise can be extended backwards. Their last four games of the season will include two second nights of back to backs, they'll play three of the top four teams in the entire league and will play no bad teams. None of these games were gimmes. We all knew that they were going to have a tough end to the season and the fact that they went on such a tear over the last few weeks didn't change that.

Next year's team will be different. More experienced and, hopefully, better. Sure, they'll face some difficult questions but that will be true no matter how their season ends. If they win their next two games and then get beat in the playoffs it'll be "Can they win in the playoffs?". If they win the first round but get knocked out in the second then next time they're in the second round of the playoffs it'll be "Can they win in the second?". All teams can't win until they do.

If you can't even agree that this would be a total collapse I don't know what to say to you.  Sure the Washington game was a tough back to back, but last night was a loss against a quasi AHL team, and on Sunday, Columbus will also be on a back to back, and have nothing to play for.   If the Leafs can't get 2 points this weekend, it's a huge failure.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik the Trik on April 07, 2017, 09:10:03 AM
Sure the Washington game was a tough back to back, but last night was a loss against a quasi AHL team, and on Sunday, Columbus will also be on a back to back, and have nothing to play for.

That's just not true about last night's Lightning team. They had Kucherov, who's 6th in the league in scoring. They had Hedman, who'll be a Norris finalist. They had Drouin and Palat and Stralman. They had their #1 goalie. The difference between the Lightning and an AHL team isn't Cedric Paquette and Tyler Johnson.

And sure, Columbus and Pittsburgh don't have much to play for but we don't know how that will affect their strategy going into the weekend. Not everyone likes to take their foot off the pedal. They may go all out all the same. To pre-emptively say the Leafs should beat them is nonsense. They're very good teams. If they decide to show up the Leafs will be in tough and that would be true no matter where the Leafs were in the standings.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on April 07, 2017, 09:15:55 AM
Their performance has really pi**ed me off

What a joke of an effort.

Tough for me to think this was an effort issue this late in the season. Something else is lacking.

Stop watching. 11-2-1 before Washington and Tampa. You're pathetic. I still love 'em.

I'm pathetic? Just because they had everything in their favour tonight. Everything! And they still came up with this performance. I'm the one who's pathetic? KMA, my friend. I've been watching this team longer than you've been alive and yet I'm still here. I have every right as a fan to be teed off and not look at them through rose coloured glasses.

This was extremely disappointing. Now they play 2 of the best teams in the NHL and will need to play an awful lot better and have now set themselves up for the Caps -if they make it.

Im with you 100%. Been following this team for ages and would never change that. been through a lot with this team going back with the Ballard days. Said it earlier this year couldn't be happier with this team. No one expected this I sure didn't but it would be a shame to miss the playoffs which I don't think is going to happen by the way. getting in is icing on the cake but games like tonight get me frustrated as well. Effort just wasn't there considering what was on the line.We talked the other night about making it and I agree a Cap series would be short lived unfortunately. Sure some say you have to play the regardless but I'm not expecting a Stanley Cup run but would be unbelievable to go to the second round.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: McGarnagle on April 07, 2017, 06:39:42 PM
I find it sort of funny that the Leafs' unsustainably amazing record over the last 10 has set up the malcontents to tear them to pieces in two failed attempts to seal it.

In the those two games, they played teams which were capable of playing better than the leafs at this stage in their development (yes, even tampa), and they did. It wasn't a question of who wanted it more, or choking, or lack of grit.

Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: wnc096 on April 07, 2017, 09:23:50 PM
I find it sort of funny that the Leafs' unsustainably amazing record over the last 10 has set up the malcontents to tear them to pieces in two failed attempts to seal it.

In the those two games, they played teams which were capable of playing better than the leafs at this stage in their development (yes, even tampa), and they did. It wasn't a question of who wanted it more, or choking, or lack of grit.


Dude...If they lose 4 straight at home and miss the playoffs....that will be a choke job no matter how rose coloured your glasses are
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on April 07, 2017, 11:57:51 PM
As opposed to having a normal record where they'd be on the outside looking in, right?
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on April 08, 2017, 07:42:25 AM
As opposed to having a normal record where they'd be on the outside looking in, right?
What's a "normal" record?  The Leafs pushed and played themselves into a playoff spot only to crap their pants when the games mattered most. Lose 4 in a row at home (for the first time all season mind you) and that's a choke.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on April 08, 2017, 10:17:08 AM
I really wouldn't look at it that way. They should've played better against Tampa, sure, but Tampa just ran over Montreal as well. They had no business being here before their 14 game run which was nothing short miraculous - you know that.

If the outcomes were closer to their analytics during the run they would've had a couple more losses and instead of "well they crapped the bed" we'd be saying they fought hard but we didn't expect them to make it. Now they are up against two of the best teams in the league on a back to back and they crapped the bed? I wouldn't pick the Leafs in any games against Washington, Pittsburgh or Columbus and Tampa is on their tear now.

And either way no point in bitching since the fat lady hasn't even stepped on stage yet.
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: McGarnagle on April 08, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
I really wouldn't look at it that way. They should've played better against Tampa, sure, but Tampa just ran over Montreal as well. They had no business being here before their 14 game run which was nothing short miraculous - you know that.

If the outcomes were closer to their analytics during the run they would've had a couple more losses and instead of "well they crapped the bed" we'd be saying they fought hard but we didn't expect them to make it. Now they are up against two of the best teams in the league on a back to back and they crapped the bed? I wouldn't pick the Leafs in any games against Washington, Pittsburgh or Columbus and Tampa is on their tear now.

And either way no point in bitching since the fat lady hasn't even stepped on stage yet.

Well put.  8)
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bender on April 08, 2017, 03:36:19 PM
Title: Re: Lightning @ Leafs - Apr. 6th, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 08, 2017, 03:54:26 PM

If the Islanders had called up Halak like a week or two earlier they'd be in the playoffs. He's 5-1 with a .949 save percentage since coming back up from the AHL. If the Leafs make the playoffs they'll have Garth Snow's bizarre decision making there to partially thank for it really.