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Title: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: herman on November 16, 2016, 04:47:08 PM
Like the Jones, Vatanen/Lindholm, Trouba threads before...

http://theleafsnation.com/2016/11/16/the-leafs-need-to-be-in-on-dougie-hamilton-if-he-s-available

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Last time Hamilton was traded (https://www.nhl.com/news/flames-acquire-hamilton-from-bruins-for-draft-picks/c-772332):
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Calgary acquired defenseman Dougie Hamilton from the Boston Bruins in a trade for their first-round pick (No. 15) in the 2015 NHL Draft and the two second-round picks (Nos. 45 and 52) they previously acquired from the Washington Capitals.

He's currently 23 at 5.75M until 2020-21.

What are our chances?
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: louisstamos on November 16, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
Shoots right too.  Is the rumor that they're shopping him?
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 16, 2016, 05:06:21 PM
I doubt they get close to what they paid for him.

He is underperforming, teams will be attracted by his upside, but I'm not sure he's worth that contract.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on November 16, 2016, 05:50:28 PM
With Johnny Hockey out for 4-6 weeks with a broken finger the Flames may be looking for a trade now.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: McGarnagle on November 16, 2016, 06:10:24 PM
Carleton brought this up in a gdt. From the article, it speculates Kapenen and picks, or Kadri... I'm fine with the former depending on the picks, but it's hard to gauge where the Flames think they are in the rebuilding process. My guess is they wouldn't be moving a guy like Hamilton unless they were getting a young impact player back that can play right now, and I don't think the leafs have one I'd be willing to offer, apart perhaps Brown, and that wouldn't do it on its own.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Nik on November 16, 2016, 06:23:49 PM

Obviously if he's available that's a smart avenue to investigate but I tend to agree with McGarnagle and would even take it a step further. I know we probably think it's nuts but I think on just about any trade call the Leafs make right now the answer is going to be "Matthews, Marner or Nylander".

Which isn't to say that would be the team's only avenue to make trades but I think any offer that doesn't include one of those three guys is going to draw the response of the other team shopping around to see if they can do better.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Frank E on November 16, 2016, 06:53:08 PM
I have a hard time believing that he's on the block...he'd leave a gaping hole there, and it's go-time for Calgary.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Tigger on November 17, 2016, 01:37:22 AM
What are our chances?

Slim to none with what the Leafs are likely willing to give up. The Leafs could use his point shot, size, overall ability and fit on the defence pairings. I don't see that as a problem contract at all.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: herman on November 17, 2016, 08:54:46 AM
I'd be more willing to wait out the Trouba situation than pony up for Hamilton at the moment, if Calgary is actually entertaining offers. The impending expansion draft will likely shake loose some more options to work with beyond these two.

I don't doubt that teams are calling (circling vultures and all that), but Hamilton is more part of their solution on the roster, rather than as an asset transaction.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: herman on November 28, 2016, 09:05:19 AM
Dubas and another scout took in the CGY@BUF game the other day, followed by Treliving at the ACC when the Caps were in town. Last night, head of pro scouting Dave Morrison caught the CGY@PHI game.

We are playing Calgary on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: McGarnagle on November 28, 2016, 05:55:07 PM
followed by Treliving at the ACC when the Caps were in town.

Well, it was good that JVR got a goal. :)
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 29, 2016, 08:41:49 AM
The Leafs have three 2nd round picks this year.

JVR, Corrado/Polak/Hunwick/Marincin and 2 2nd's?
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Nik on November 29, 2016, 09:26:05 AM
The Leafs have three 2nd round picks this year.

JVR, Corrado/Polak/Hunwick/Marincin and 2 2nd's?

I think one of those seconds is already going to Anaheim from the Andersen deal(the middle one).

So you can deal the other two, just that it leaves the Leafs with none.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on November 29, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
The Leafs have three 2nd round picks this year.

JVR, Corrado/Polak/Hunwick/Marincin and 2 2nd's?

I think one of those seconds is already going to Anaheim from the Andersen deal(the middle one).

So you can deal the other two, just that it leaves the Leafs with none.

I think if JVR goes then Bozak is likely done by the deadline too.

I don't think it's ambitious to think they could get a 2nd and 3rd or more for him, that would give them a full compliment again. Perhaps JVR, dman and a 2nd gets it done. They have a lot of prospect wingers that could sweeten the pot too.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Nik on November 29, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
I think if JVR goes then Bozak is likely done by the deadline too.

I don't think it's ambitious to think they could get a 2nd and 3rd or more for him, that would give them a full compliment again. Perhaps JVR, dman and a 2nd gets it done. They have a lot of prospect wingers that could sweeten the pot too.

The thing about recouping the pick is that I'd think Calgary would want the better of the two remaining picks and you tend not to get picks from bottom third teams at the deadline so you could be talking about "replacing" a pick that is in the 30's with one in the 50's.

That said, I think Hamilton is a valuable enough piece that if you could do JVR, Carrick and a 2nd(+ maybe a C sort of prospect) I'd probably do it and figure out draft picks later.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Deebo on November 29, 2016, 10:49:33 AM
If they could make this deal without trading Carrick they could protect 8 skaters instead of 7F and 3D.

Protect: Kadri, Bozak, Brown, Leipsec, Rielly, Gardiner, Hamilton and Carrick.

Leaving Komarov, Martin, Leivo, Rychel and Marincin exposed. I don't think losing any one of those guys is a problem.

We could potentially run a D of:

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Hamilton
Someone-Carrick

Looks pretty good on paper.

Does JVR as the main piece going back make sense for Calgary though?
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Nik on November 29, 2016, 10:54:24 AM
Does JVR as the main piece going back make sense for Calgary though?

I wondered that myself. I think that's sort of a function of if not JVR, who? Nylander or maybe Kadri seems to be the only other options and I think those would give more people pause.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: sneakyray on November 30, 2016, 08:06:54 AM
One of the tsn(seravelli maybe?) guys tweeted that Calgary is one of the 10 teams on JVR's no trade list.

Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: LuncheonMeat on November 30, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Frank E on November 30, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

We need a great defender, but I think that might be too much for Hamilton.

So I'm out on Hamilton at that number.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Boston Leaf on November 30, 2016, 01:25:06 PM
I remember Bruin fans talking about Dougie H being the 2nd coming on Defense.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: herman on November 30, 2016, 01:26:40 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/burke-on-rumours-people-have-no-goddamn-idea-what-they-re-talking-about~1006550

I never knew I missed a good Burke rant until I didn't have it for awhile. That parting remark was great.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2016, 01:33:52 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/burke-on-rumours-people-have-no-goddamn-idea-what-they-re-talking-about~1006550

I never knew I missed a good Burke rant until I didn't have it for awhile. That parting remark was great.

It's funny that Hamilton was drafted by the Bruins because Burke traded away his first round picks for Kessel, now he wouldn't trade Hamilton for 20 first rounders.  Ok Burkie, keep it real.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: bustaheims on November 30, 2016, 01:42:11 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

I'm pretty sure he said something similar about Schenn while he was here.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2016, 01:55:29 PM
I listened to the audio, Burke says team X leaked the Hamilton rumors.  Previously Kypreos had reported that both Arizona and Pittsburgh were kicking tires on Hamilton, I wonder which of the two teams leaked it?
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 30, 2016, 02:11:11 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

I'm pretty sure he said something similar about Schenn while he was here.

Wait... who was Luke Schenn eventually traded for?
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

I'm pretty sure he said something similar about Schenn while he was here.

Wait... who was Luke Schenn eventually traded for?

JVR.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Highlander on November 30, 2016, 02:52:02 PM
Burke would be perfect in Trumps cabinet, Minister of Hot Wind.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: leafsjunkie on November 30, 2016, 03:01:18 PM
I *may* be ok with a JVR for Hamilton trade, I don't think they would do it - straight up.

Nylander, Marner and Matthews are basically untouchable, IMO.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: disco on November 30, 2016, 03:13:16 PM
Truculence.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2016, 03:25:23 PM
I *may* be ok with a JVR for Hamilton trade, I don't think they would do it - straight up.

Nylander, Marner and Matthews are basically untouchable, IMO.

I can't see a deal like that happening during the regular season.  Trading a top 6 guy for immediate help on the blueline seems more like an off-season/draft type trade to make.  Most teams that would want a JVR would be teams in a playoff position that want to add more scoring.  Those types of teams aren't going to give up a top 4 D-man since they'll need him for the playoffs. 

I could see a team that had high expectations of a Cup run but fizzled out in the playoffs in the first round wanting to shake up the team and adding a JVR in the summer.   In that scenario I could see a high d-man come back. 

If JVR was to be traded this season to a contender, I would expect the return to be a young up and coming defensive prospect and a pick.  Not someone already established.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: pnjunction on November 30, 2016, 04:03:50 PM
I *may* be ok with a JVR for Hamilton trade, I don't think they would do it - straight up.

McKenzie I think was talking that trade last night.  How does it make any sense for Calgary?  JVR UFA after next year and Calgary is hardly going to contend in that time frame.  Hamiltion's contract goes for 3 extra years, that's huge.  Maybe he meant JVR on top of other pieces but it seems like they would have to be so significant that JVR would no longer be the main attraction.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Nik on November 30, 2016, 05:09:38 PM
McKenzie I think was talking that trade last night.  How does it make any sense for Calgary?  JVR UFA after next year and Calgary is hardly going to contend in that time frame.  Hamiltion's contract goes for 3 extra years, that's huge.  Maybe he meant JVR on top of other pieces but it seems like they would have to be so significant that JVR would no longer be the main attraction.

I don't know why the idea of them contending is that crazy. They've gotten off to a terrible start but with JVR they could have a top 6 of

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
JVR-Bennett-Frolik

and they'd still have the likes of Giordano, Brodie and Wideman on defense. If Elliott can give them competent goaltending that's a team that should be in the mix for the division.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: LuncheonMeat on November 30, 2016, 06:09:57 PM
Brian Burke was on TSN today ranting and raving about the media, and about teams leaking false information. He said a team called him and inquired about Hamilton, and then made an insulting offer. That team then apparently leaked the offer to the media. Burke threatened to out the team if they keep it up, and said he would consider trading Hamilton if a team offered him 20 first-round picks. Typical Burke bluster.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/burke-on-rumours-people-have-no-goddamn-idea-what-they-re-talking-about~1006550

I never knew I missed a good Burke rant until I didn't have it for awhile. That parting remark was great.

Brad Treliving did an interview this morning, where he also addressed the media rumors. We already know BB isn't a big fan of the Toronto media, but sounds like Treliving isn't either. That last line was said with a pretty annoyed tone, and appears to be directed at Toronto/Toronto media specifically. And after all the bluster, I still wouldn't be surprised if Hamilton is being shopped.

"I will say it's interesting I was at a game in Toronto and all of sudden I wouldn't read anything into that. I go to a lot of games. I was at a couple of other rinks after that and nothing came out of it. Don't believe all that you hear," he said.

"Dougie's an important part of this team. It's hard to find players of his ilk. I don't put a whole lot of stock into all those comments. We always look to improve our team but the comments that we're shopping a particular individual is completely false.

"We go to games all the time. It just seems like you show up in one place and things start to happen."


https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/treliving-calls-hamilton-rumours-completely-false/c-284224024
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: disco on November 30, 2016, 07:47:13 PM
Belligerence.
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: Highlander on December 01, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
Burkie uses Androgel for hair gel
Title: Re: Dougie Hamilton
Post by: disco on December 01, 2016, 04:40:31 PM
Intestinal fortitude.