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Rick Nash potentially available

Started by Erndog, February 14, 2012, 08:29:22 AM

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Corn Flake

Quote from: Peter D. on February 15, 2012, 03:24:45 PM
Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

We don't really know that to be the case though, do we? 

I guess it depends on what his list of teams looks like.

bustaheims

Quote from: Peter D. on February 15, 2012, 03:24:45 PM
Is it wrong to not really want Nash?  I've never overly bought into the hype, I don't think he is the primary target we should expend a chunk of assets on, and I think the cap hit could be put to better use. 

Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

I'm not against giving up a lot (Kadri/Schenn/1st) to get another cornerstone player; I'm just not convinced it's Nash.

I'm with you - the acquisition cost and his contract really bump him down on my list of players - especially since there's a comparable, younger and cheaper alternative out there in Bobby Ryan.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

bustaheims

Quote from: Sudafederov on February 15, 2012, 02:50:57 PM
Not sure it's a comparable, but Thornton went for 3 assets.

It's not really a comparable at all. I remember Quinn being interviewed the night Thornton was traded, and he seemed to be completely unaware that he was available. Boston didn't really seem to seek out the best possible deal with Thornton, they just moved him when discussions with San Jose went in that direction. Columbus, at the very least, is getting a better view of the trade landscape before they consider making a deal involving Nash.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Peter D.

Quote from: Corn Flake on February 15, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 15, 2012, 03:24:45 PM
Also, the perceived lack of thirst of wanting to play in a big hockey market makes me question whether he would actually thrive in a market like Toronto.

We don't really know that to be the case though, do we? 

I guess it depends on what his list of teams looks like.

It's always been an impression of mine that he has never been eager to play in his home town at least.  I don't know how true it is, but I could have sworn I've read to that extent over the years.  It's always stuck with me and it's one of the reasons I'm not big on him.

Corn Flake

Quote from: Erndog on February 15, 2012, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on February 15, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

Why the heck would WE do that?

So trade one potential 30-40 goal guy for another potential 30-40 goal guy?

We have the one thats 3-4 years younger... the one with $2.5M less on the cap... AND we have to give up MORE to acquire Nash?

It's non sensical.

You deal for Nash because you want to have 2 potential 40 goal guys, not just 1.

I don't know why Columbus would do it either from the angle that if they have decided to trade Nash, they are doing so to get a bunch of pieces back that have the potential to fill several holes vs. dealing a 1st line guy for another 1st line guy... the mess of the team they have would never get better that way.

From the Leafs side I could see them doing it if Burke was so intent on getting bigger up front, more physical, not able to create cap space any other way and possibly a more natural leader-type.  Still doesn't seem like the right choice to make the team better. 

CarltonTheBear

Schenn or Gardiner
Kadri or Colborne
MacArthur or Kulemin
1st
Connolly

The general thinking appears to be that that's the sort of package it would take to land Nash. Coming from somebody who doesn't really think the world of any of those assets, it's pretty darn steep.

Big Daddy

Aulie,Kadri,Connelly,MacArthur with no picks.  Two players for now and two futures.I would do this today.

edit-I would do it now!!!

brothert

Quote from: Erndog on February 15, 2012, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on February 15, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

Why the heck would WE do that?

So trade one potential 30-40 goal guy for another potential 30-40 goal guy?

We have the one thats 3-4 years younger... the one with $2.5M less on the cap... AND we have to give up MORE to acquire Nash?

It's non sensical.

You deal for Nash because you want to have 2 potential 40 goal guys, not just 1.
Hmmm.  It would be nice to deal for Nash and give up nothing in return.  I don't believe that Toronto has enough blue chip assets to net Nash (Kadri, Schenn, Aulie, and Colborne might get you some consideration but I doubt it.)  So for me it became who would I rather have Nash or Kessel.  The current makeup of the leafs reminds me of a montreal team, smallish fast forwards except our forwards don't like to take a hit which makes us a weaker version of a montreal team and very one dimensional.  I think Kessel is much more of a sniper than Nash and has more speed but Nash will go in the corners.  I think it would make our team much stronger if it had two first line players who would go into the corners.  Right now kessel doesn't and Bozak tries to avoid it.  Without some big guys with skill or smaller fearless guys(like Grabbo) we are very much a one dimensional (end to end type game) team.  We need to figure out how to win some dump in plays but this team won't take a hit.  IMO opinion the leafs would be further ahead with Nash than Kessel.  The only question is what would it take to get Nash using Kessel as one of the pieces.  The + may have to be our 1st rounder and schenn or gunnarson.  I don't think we are in the running without Kessel being one of the pieces.

No.92

Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on February 15, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
Quote from: Erndog on February 15, 2012, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on February 15, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

Why the heck would WE do that?

So trade one potential 30-40 goal guy for another potential 30-40 goal guy?

We have the one thats 3-4 years younger... the one with $2.5M less on the cap... AND we have to give up MORE to acquire Nash?

It's non sensical.

You deal for Nash because you want to have 2 potential 40 goal guys, not just 1.
Hmmm.  It would be nice to deal for Nash and give up nothing in return.  I don't believe that Toronto has enough blue chip assets to net Nash (Kadri, Schenn, Aulie, and Colborne might get you some consideration but I doubt it.)  So for me it became who would I rather have Nash or Kessel.  The current makeup of the leafs reminds me of a montreal team, smallish fast forwards except our forwards don't like to take a hit which makes us a weaker version of a montreal team and very one dimensional.  I think Kessel is much more of a sniper than Nash and has more speed but Nash will go in the corners.  I think it would make our team much stronger if it had two first line players who would go into the corners.  Right now kessel doesn't and Bozak tries to avoid it.  Without some big guys with skill or smaller fearless guys(like Grabbo) we are very much a one dimensional (end to end type game) team.  We need to figure out how to win some dump in plays but this team won't take a hit.  IMO opinion the leafs would be further ahead with Nash than Kessel.  The only question is what would it take to get Nash using Kessel as one of the pieces.  The + may have to be our 1st rounder and schenn or gunnarson.  I don't think we are in the running without Kessel being one of the pieces.

You're kidding right?  Last time I checked, Kessel was 4th in points and Nash is 69th.  Sure Nash is having an off year, but Kessel has come into his own.  First off, I wouldn't be trading Kessel, but if I had to, it would be Nash + coming back for Kessel.

Guilt Trip

^^^^Agree with this^^^^ No way I make a trade of Nash for Kessel...They need to sweeten the pot thanks. 7.8 isn't a friendly cap hit for what he does either.

bakeapples

Quote from: JohnK's Revenge on February 15, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
Would anyone do Kessel + for Nash.

CBJ gets slightly cheaper but younger allstar.  TML get a 1st line winger with more size albeit older and more expensive but with a longer contract.

Phil is better, cheaper, and younger with still more upside. CBJ would win it hands down.

bakeapples

I'm not sure why this thread has gone on for 6 pages. Nash has stated for years that he will never play for the Leafs.


No.92

Quote from: bakeapples on February 15, 2012, 08:50:21 PM
I'm not sure why this thread has gone on for 6 pages. Nash has stated for years that he will never play for the Leafs.

Hmm...please provide proof.  I've never heard that before except from some no-name tweeter or some forum post stating this claim. 

bustaheims

Quote from: jonlleafs on February 15, 2012, 08:52:43 PM
Hmm...please provide proof.  I've never heard that before except from some no-name tweeter or some forum post stating this claim.

Yeah. This claim gets thrown around a lot, but, no one has provided any actual quotes from legitimate sources yet.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

RedLeaf

MacLean thinks Columbus would want Gardiner + a 1st + ?
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