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Craig Berube named new coach of the Leafs

Started by L K, May 17, 2024, 03:24:13 PM

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Highlander

Quote from: herman on May 17, 2024, 05:14:28 PMHe's a coach with bonafides in motivation, structural compliance, and accountability. Systems stuff will need to come from the assistants, but we can basically keep most of the same tactics, and just make it more fasstholey.

Treliving and Berube both favour heavier hockey, with big and mobile defenses. This will be the highest end forwards Berube has had.
Top analyst has said Berube is a short play. If he doesn't win and win fast or loses the team quickly he will be gone fast. I don't know just repeating what I read.
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Zee

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Quote from: Frank E on May 17, 2024, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 17, 2024, 04:34:30 PMAh yes, Shanahan's "exhaustive search" that interviewed 2 people and hired the guy everyone predicted for a couple of months

1. Tre hires the GM.
2. There are a lot of vacancies right now, so you move quickly.
3. Did you have in mind a better alternative?

I think he's got the experience to deal with the egos, he's got the street cred, and honestly I think our boys need a shit kicking once in a while that a guy like Berube can dole out. 

There's a new sheriff in town, and I'm OK with that.  From what I read, he can do the job well.


Tre doesn't do anything without Shanahan's blessing.

After claiming they would take their time with the hire, they literally hired a guy in 1 week. The coaching job in Toronto is coveted, they wouldn't have had a shortage of candidates despite all the vacancies, Berube basically told Ottawa he was waiting on the Leafs.

Peter D.

Initially I was lukewarm to the idea of Berube.  But now that he's been hired, I'm growing on it.  If he can bring accountability to the team and can push the players to play their best, that's the first step.  Just want to see an honest effort night in, night out, and hopefully he can prod them enough to get them to do so.

Keefe underachieved with this roster, so hopefully Berube can do more with it.  But as has been stated, a lot will depend on the roster composition, and here's hoping Treliving delivers a different mindset and philosophy than we've seen in recent years. 

bustaheims

Quote from: Zee on May 17, 2024, 04:34:30 PMAh yes, Shanahan's "exhaustive search" that interviewed 2 people and hired the guy everyone predicted for a couple of months

They also spoke to Gallant and others. They just managed to keep it mostly quiet.
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herman

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5492728/2024/05/17/craig-berube-maple-leafs-blues-2/
QuotePlayers quickly realized why Berube was demanding increased intensity midway through the season. He didn't believe in flipping the switch, as it were, and asking his team to start playing playoff-style hockey after the regular season.

"There aren't two styles of hockey. You are who you are," Bortuzzo said. "He didn't want us playing two types of hockey. All year, you're trying to become a better team."

Video sessions focused on explaining and examples of how in the postseason, power plays shrink and scoring off the rush becomes more difficult. Puck management, therefore, was at a premium in the regular season. Players were shown examples of how to protect and then distribute the puck more effectively.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

princedpw

Quote from: Highlander on May 17, 2024, 04:11:56 PMthe more I read about him, the more I like the pick. Holds players accountable and that is exaclty what a few of these guys need. I wonder how much player input he will have on acquisitions etc with Treviling?

Ok. I need to know what "holding players accountable" means and how that helps the leafs win a game 7.  Like specifically, what does a coach holding players accountable do and why does it make Samsonov save 1 extra goal or Marner score an extra goal?

 

To me, it looks like the Leafs want to win. And they have played well in many high pressure situations. They haven't won a game 7. But is the pressure really noticeably higher in that game 7 than game 5 or 6 that have to win?


L K

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Quote from: princedpw on May 17, 2024, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 17, 2024, 04:11:56 PMthe more I read about him, the more I like the pick. Holds players accountable and that is exaclty what a few of these guys need. I wonder how much player input he will have on acquisitions etc with Treviling?

Ok. I need to know what "holding players accountable" means and how that helps the leafs win a game 7.  Like specifically, what does a coach holding players accountable do and why does it make Samsonov save 1 extra goal or Marner score an extra goal?

 

To me, it looks like the Leafs want to win. And they have played well in many high pressure situations. They haven't won a game 7. But is the pressure really noticeably higher in that game 7 than game 5 or 6 that have to win?

I think a fairer argument for the team is that they struggle to close games out rather than play in high pressure situations.

2018 - win Game 6 to tie it 3-3 lose 7-4 in Game 7
2019 - win Game 5 to go up 3-2 and lose Game 6 4-2 and Game 7 5-1
2020 - win Game 4 to tie it 2-2 then lose Game 5 3-0
2021 - win game 4 to go up 3-1 and lose Game 5, Game 6, Game 7
2022 - win Game 5 to go up 3-2 then lose Game 6 and Game 7
2023 - win Game 4 to go up 3-1 then lose Game 5 and win Game 6; Win Game 4 to go 3-1 then lose Game 5
2024 - win Games 5/6 to tie it up 3-3 then lose Game 7

When the Leafs are facing potential elimination they are 4-9 since 2018
When the Leafs opponents are facing elimination they are 1-11

The Leafs can't put teams away when their opponent is up against the wall. 

Joe

Quote from: L K on May 17, 2024, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: princedpw on May 17, 2024, 07:15:32 PMI think a fairer argument for the team is that they struggle to close games out rather than play in high pressure situations.


That's why, and I hate to say this, but this team reminds me of the 2000s sens. I know they finally broke through and made it to the finals, but they looked kinda pathetic against the ducks. Not sure what my final point was there other than to slightly mock the sens.


dekedastardly

I'm for this. I do believe Berube was the best option out there, Brind'amour's probably not moving. This hiring leaves the impression that management is adapting a more hard assed approach to what feels like a coddled core group. This more closely aligns with Treliving's desire for snot

princedpw

Quote from: L K on May 17, 2024, 08:42:35 PM
Quote from: princedpw on May 17, 2024, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 17, 2024, 04:11:56 PMthe more I read about him, the more I like the pick. Holds players accountable and that is exaclty what a few of these guys need. I wonder how much player input he will have on acquisitions etc with Treviling?

Ok. I need to know what "holding players accountable" means and how that helps the leafs win a game 7.  Like specifically, what does a coach holding players accountable do and why does it make Samsonov save 1 extra goal or Marner score an extra goal?

 

To me, it looks like the Leafs want to win. And they have played well in many high pressure situations. They haven't won a game 7. But is the pressure really noticeably higher in that game 7 than game 5 or 6 that have to win?

I think a fairer argument for the team is that they struggle to close games out rather than play in high pressure situations.

2018 - win Game 6 to tie it 3-3 lose 7-4 in Game 7
2019 - win Game 5 to go up 3-2 and lose Game 6 4-2 and Game 7 5-1
2020 - win Game 4 to tie it 2-2 then lose Game 5 3-0
2021 - win game 4 to go up 3-1 and lose Game 5, Game 6, Game 7
2022 - win Game 5 to go up 3-2 then lose Game 6 and Game 7
2023 - win Game 4 to go up 3-1 then lose Game 5 and win Game 6; Win Game 4 to go 3-1 then lose Game 5
2024 - win Games 5/6 to tie it up 3-3 then lose Game 7

When the Leafs are facing potential elimination they are 4-9 since 2018
When the Leafs opponents are facing elimination they are 1-11

The Leafs can't put teams away when their opponent is up against the wall. 


Good point!

Bender

If Berube over achieves, great, if he flames out, great we get higher picks. I'm tired of losing in the first round, it's basically the worst part of the mushy middle. It's wild to me that people seem so change averse as if this roster has done anything but lose in the playoffs save for one flukey round.

I'd rather have had Bruce Cassidy but the whole roster needs a shakeup.
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cw

#27
Quote from: Zee on May 17, 2024, 04:34:30 PMAh yes, Shanahan's "exhaustive search" that interviewed 2 people and hired the guy everyone predicted for a couple of months

I'm sure they put a list together.
Everyone knows nearly everyone else in hockey ...

Boudreau & Julien - too old?
Woodcroft - too green?
Evason - never made it out of the 1st round in the AHL or NHL
Quenneville - too much baggage from Chicago scandal for Toronto media
etc
Likely a few names the media hadn't considered

They short listed

A number of reports said Gallant, Todd McLellan & Berube were interviewed - Elliott Friedman also thought they kicked tires on some other names

They discussed/debated the short list
Tossed around numbers with their favorite.
Done deal

I'm sure Treliving had significant input - Friedman thought so. Probably his call.
Shanahan reportedly interviewed as well

Shanahan's contract is in its final year. Any chance of survival needed a quick impact. You can't change all the players quickly.

Berube took over a .447 hockey team during the first qtr of the 2018-19 St. Louis Blues season (.573 previous season). They played .651 for the balance of the season with him and won a Stanley Cup. He's known for holding all players accountable - which might make him a coach with a shorter wick. Those who did as he asked seemed to do well with him and seem to remain appreciative of him. Someone compared him to Pat Quinn - tough but fair. Many in the media thought he was a leading candidate to coach other teams and reportedly had spoken with other teams so I can appreciate that they had to move quickly if they wanted him.

Was he the best coach available? I don't know all the candidates that well or some at all so I wouldn't know.
But his selection seems far from indefensible. He's a credible NHL coach.

As we all know too well, scoring in the playoffs gets tougher. I didn't attend the Leafs practices, so again, I don't have all the details. But I did feel long before Berube that the Leafs should have prepared for playoff hockey more. Apparently, when he took over in St. Louis, Berube maintained a team can only play one way - you can't easily turn on the switch for the playoffs. So they began practicing for playing in the playoffs when he took over for game 20 in that regular season. That philosophy will not do this team any harm when it comes to the playoffs.

Dappleganger

I'm not sure what we're debating. Berube was the best coach available. Let's give the Leafs a W here.

herman

Quote from: Dappleganger on May 18, 2024, 08:30:55 PMI'm not sure what we're debating. Berube was the best coach available. Let's give the Leafs a W here.


The speed of the decisions (new GM and new coach) make it seem like the front office didn't really do due diligence.

They probably had researched and unofficially had conversations prior to those roles being vacated, the almost the same way as teams have pro-scouts for players they want to acquire. Everybody in the industry is pretty aware of everybody else even if they haven't worked together before and reputations aren't too hard to verify even before formal interviews. Shanahan has literally been punched by Berube before.
#27 #TeamFasstholes