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R1, G7: Bruins vs. Maple Leafs - May 4th, 8:00pm - SN, TSN 1050

Started by CarltonTheBear, May 03, 2024, 03:29:51 PM

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Dappleganger

The Leafs never should have lost a series where the opposing team was trotting out Patrick Maroon on their top power play line.

Bender

It's hard to really care that much when I already wrote this team off for dead. I doubt I care as much going forward without a major shakeup to the roster.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

dekedastardly

I found Keefes post game comments infuriating. Dude is a moron. He shows zero accountability instead deflecting it onto his players. He and the rest of the coaching staff need to go, Shanahan too. Ask Marner to waive the NMC, Try and bring back Lyubushkin and even Jones if the price is right. Samsonov's confidence level is far too fickle in and out of pressure situations.

x.jr.benchwarmer

Quote from: cabber24 on May 05, 2024, 09:20:02 AMI thought Samsonov should have played the puck and not sit parked on his goal line. The guy never looks ready.

Run it back, rinse and repeat...
Quote from: 4EVRLEAFAN on May 05, 2024, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 05, 2024, 06:03:21 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 04, 2024, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 04, 2024, 10:39:26 PMWhen you only score 12 goals in a 7 game series, you can't expect to win, regardless of goaltending. 1 for 21 on the PP. that's how you lose a winnable series.
PP was def an issue but so was Sammy. No soft goals, Leafs win the series and it doesn't go 7.




When you can't reliably score two goals a night, goaltending is so far down the list of reasons you lost it's barely worth mentioning. If you need to have your goalies allow no more than 1 goal a night, they're not the issue.

Leafs need an upgrade on Sammy, but outside of game 1, I can't put much blame on him. He gave the team a chance to win in every game they showed up for. They didn't seize the opportunities.

Sorry but completely disagree on  Sammy he let in far to many soft goals the game winner last night was just brutal, way out of position  back in the crease, you have to come out and challenge the shooter or play the puck,  just horrible, and yes I get Marner and  Reilley should of had Pastrnak  and  our offence was a disaster. 

That is a very valid point.  In the recent interview with Bourne and Kyper, Steve Valiquette  pointed out the really drastic effect of letting a soft goal in the playoffs.  There were about 14 soft goals or so and only about 3 teams were able to overcome that and win the game.   Moreover the weak goal he allowed against Boston. (scored by Frederic I believe while Bertuzzi was getting tripped by Marchand) was really really bad.   There were about 700 shots taken during NHL games and only 3 goals went in.  And Samsonov had the 2nd worst record using goaltending stats that Valiquette utilized over the past year including expected goals,  leads squandered, games  'stolen' etc., he said.  Samsonov was markedly slow going across the crease all season based on his data and was particularly drastically bad on 2 on 1's.    (It was something like 9 goals scored on him out of 14 chances when the puck was passed across the zone in the slot). But again let's not use facts to undercut his supposed value to the Leafs.





Guilt Trip

Quote from: dekedastardly on May 05, 2024, 12:15:03 PMI found Keefes post game comments infuriating. Dude is a moron. He shows zero accountability instead deflecting it onto his players. He and the rest of the coaching staff need to go, Shanahan too. Ask Marner to waive the NMC, Try and bring back Lyubushkin and even Jones if the price is right. Samsonov's confidence level is far too fickle in and out of pressure situations.
What coach's and players say in the media usually mean very little. It's all window dressing.
Fact is, it should be on the players because ultimately they were the ones that didn't perform and execute the plan. See how tight they played in the last 3 games? Where was that in the 1st 4? Keefe's biggest issue for me was being to loyal to guys. He made a great move putting JT at 3C and off PP1. Funny thing is doing that move and having 44 out worked and PP1 went on a mad tear. So what does he do? As soon as 44 gets back he puts him right back on PP1.
Anyway same old stuff. Bad goaltending, lack of PP goals, lack of offence form the back end. It will be an interesting off season. Let's see if anyone waives. I have my doubts.

RedLeaf

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.." --Isaac Asimov.

azzurri63

Quote from: Bender on May 05, 2024, 12:00:10 PMIt's hard to really care that much when I already wrote this team off for dead. I doubt I care as much going forward without a major shakeup to the roster.

I'm the exact same. Had major doubts about this team all season and wasn't happy when they ran it back with this core. Something needs to happen. I can honestly say I get wound up and take each game seriously but this year I'm not going to lie and say I'm not disappointed but I'm not surprised nor have the same feeling after another 1st round exit. Kudos to them for how they played the last 3 games exactly the type of hockey that's needed come April. Keefe needs to go one because he hasn't gotten this team over the hump and secondly because of his stubbornness not to change up the PP. Instead of maybe trying Lilly back there he kept rolling out the same group with some changes due to injuries. For those saying a shot isn't needed on the PP sorry you're wrong. PP I think cost us and they should be looking seriously at acquiring a solid number 1 D man who can quarterback a PP. See what happens hopefully Pelley has seen enough. Shanahan, Keefe and Marner should be the first 3 to go.

IJustLurkHere

Quote from: bustaheims on May 04, 2024, 10:39:26 PMWhen you only score 12 goals in a 7 game series, you can't expect to win, regardless of goaltending. 1 for 21 on the PP. that's how you lose a winnable series.

Can't be said enough. Decided the series. Outscored 18-12 overall and 6-1 of that was on the PP. A team this offensively talented cannot have a PP this bad.

bustaheims

Quote from: IJustLurkHere on May 05, 2024, 06:38:28 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 04, 2024, 10:39:26 PMWhen you only score 12 goals in a 7 game series, you can't expect to win, regardless of goaltending. 1 for 21 on the PP. that's how you lose a winnable series.

Can't be said enough. Decided the series. Outscored 18-12 overall and 6-1 of that was on the PP. A team this offensively talented cannot have a PP this bad.

It didn't even have to be that much more effective, either. One PP goal in game 3 could have changed the entire series. Scoring on the PP last night would have, too.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Joe

Quote from: Bender on May 05, 2024, 12:00:10 PMIt's hard to really care that much when I already wrote this team off for dead. I doubt I care as much going forward without a major shakeup to the roster.

I honestly feel the exact same. I had no expectations that they'd get out of the first round against either Boston or Florida. So I can't say I'm disappointed, if anything they met expectations.

This was a flawed team game 1 of season and this was a flawed team game 7 of round 1.

Honestly I don't even care what they do with the roster, other than Matthews and Nylander, I don't give a shit.

Zee

Quote from: Joe on May 06, 2024, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bender on May 05, 2024, 12:00:10 PMIt's hard to really care that much when I already wrote this team off for dead. I doubt I care as much going forward without a major shakeup to the roster.

I honestly feel the exact same. I had no expectations that they'd get out of the first round against either Boston or Florida. So I can't say I'm disappointed, if anything they met expectations.

This was a flawed team game 1 of season and this was a flawed team game 7 of round 1.

Honestly I don't even care what they do with the roster, other than Matthews and Nylander, I don't give a shit.

It's kind of hilarious that so many fans are in the same mind set. Ready for some sort of shakeup, not really mad about losing this season. I was checked out so early it's not even funny

azzurri63

Quote from: Zee on May 06, 2024, 07:49:47 PM
Quote from: Joe on May 06, 2024, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bender on May 05, 2024, 12:00:10 PMIt's hard to really care that much when I already wrote this team off for dead. I doubt I care as much going forward without a major shakeup to the roster.

I honestly feel the exact same. I had no expectations that they'd get out of the first round against either Boston or Florida. So I can't say I'm disappointed, if anything they met expectations.

This was a flawed team game 1 of season and this was a flawed team game 7 of round 1.

Honestly I don't even care what they do with the roster, other than Matthews and Nylander, I don't give a shit.

It's kind of hilarious that so many fans are in the same mind set. Ready for some sort of shakeup, not really mad about losing this season. I was checked out so early it's not even funny


Hopefully management thinks the same that some changes are needed both on and off the ice.