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Lyubushkin traded to the Leafs

Started by Deebo, February 29, 2024, 10:05:03 PM

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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 29, 2024, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 29, 2024, 10:42:20 PMWould have liked someone better but I think this is a stop gap...Marner had to play D tonight and we are extremely light on the right side. There's another RD coming....well better be

This is kind of who I thought we'd get after Tanev got awayy.  I think this IS our RHD acquisition, folks.

Yeah, I don't even really see how you fit another defenceman on the roster. Did you pay this price for Boosh just to bump him out of a healthy top-6 by someone else?

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: herman on February 29, 2024, 11:50:55 PMThey really did need a righty on the PK to attack one timers from Ovechkin's office. I don't want Marner eating those.

They had Holl eating a ton of those minutes at the time but Lyubushkin actually didn't factor into the PK a ton during his first go here. During the regular season he averaged less than a minute per game on the PK, and just 2:21 total through 7 playoff games. I imagine he'll be asked to take a bigger role there this time around.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 29, 2024, 11:52:00 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 29, 2024, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on February 29, 2024, 10:42:20 PMWould have liked someone better but I think this is a stop gap...Marner had to play D tonight and we are extremely light on the right side. There's another RD coming....well better be

This is kind of who I thought we'd get after Tanev got awayy.  I think this IS our RHD acquisition, folks.

Yeah, I don't even really see how you fit another defenceman on the roster. Did you pay this price for Boosh just to bump him out of a healthy top-6 by someone else?

FWIW Petrielli is cautiously OK with it:

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2024/03/01/analysis-maple-leafs-acquire-right-handed-help-on-defense-by-bringing-back-ilya-lyubushkin/

And I agree CTB, he will get more PK time.  He has to.

This isn't very exciting but given the circumstances I think it's as good as any move Treliving had available.  Especially since Boosh played with Rielly before.


cw

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Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 29, 2024, 10:56:33 PMA likely 23-man roster stands to soon look like this:

Knies-Matthews-Marner
Bertuzzi-Domi-Nylander
McMann-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Holmberg-Kampf-Reaves
Robertson

Rielly-Lyubushkin
Brodie-Liljegren
Benoit-McCabe
Lagesson

Samsonov
Woll
Jones

That's assuming Gio and Timmins both go to the LTIR. Neither are locks, especially since Timmins is skating, but if Timmins does return him or Lagesson would need to get waived, or Robertson would need to get loaned to the Marlies.

That line-up still has about $2mil in cap space, roughly $775-800k more if another guy who gets brought in means Robertson or Lagesson get bumped off the roster one way or another. (edit): worth noting if the Leafs acquired another player at just a $2mil AAV they could temporarily send Robertson down to the Marlies before the trade deadline and then call him back up after since roster size limits go away then.

Again, since the Leafs paid such a high premium to get Lyubushkin at a reduced rate there has to be another move coming in order to take advantage of that. Otherwise it looks even more questionable.

I presume that assumes, and I'd guess it is a reasonable assumption, that Gregor will be waived?
They could send Robertson down with Jarnkrok returns to save Gregor. But with other moves likely, I might be getting too far ahead of myself.

I came back too quickly from mono. My swollen spleen didn't appreciate it.
Timmins is very likely out until well after the deadline (8 days away) - minimum 28 days from Feb 13 so he's an easy case for LTIR

Giordano looked like he got his bell rung - no need to rush him back with this trade.
I think they have the cap space for Giordano to be on the IR (for the moment)

A number of GMs have commented that earlier trades are preferable because it takes time to work new players into the team. This is not what I would characterize as one of those trades but ..

Looking for a positive in a trade I'm not too crazy about:
Rielly-Lyubushkin - have played together before so that should help them pull together (until their next move ..)
These pairings have shown promise:
Brodie-Liljegren
Benoit-McCabe
If they can stay healthy, 20 games should tighten them up.

Lyubushkin trade assures Treliving is not left entirely at the dman alter.
Worst case: Lyubushkin is depth & insurance.
So Treliving hopefully doesn't have to do something like a Klingberg deal in desperation
"Do nothing" is always an option in good management.
I think his options were limited for a good physical RH D who could PK

I agree that getting cap retained is a sign they are not done.
Maybe a physical forward/PKer?

With getting Woll in a game quickly, I continue to wonder if they're looking at moving a goalie.

lamajama

As great a story it is for Woll one fact stands out...he's injury prone....figure out a way to keep Jones!
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Zee

More physical on the back end now with Lyubushkin/Benoit/McCabe at least. Not sure it'll make a huge difference but I guess we'll see.

cabber24

Nothing sexy coming to this blue line this season. I do like these 3 pairings though:

1. Brodie-Liljegren
2. Rielly-Lyubushkin
3. Benoit-McCabe

I would rate the pairings in this order as well. I wish Lyubushkin never left, he fills that right-side stay-at-home mold we need.

The salary retention part throws me off. What does Trev think he can get in this market?
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bustaheims

Reasonable acquisition cost, all things considered. Not the flashiest of names, but I also don't think big game hunting is in the team's interests right now, any way.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan


CarltonTheBear

Quote from: cabber24 on March 01, 2024, 09:12:48 AMThe salary retention part throws me off. What does Trev think he can get in this market?

I thought the retention originally meant that Treliving had another move planned, but it could also just have been done to prevent having to risk anyone on waivers soon. As things stand once the trade deadline passes and roster limts go away the Leafs could eventually get up to a 25-man roster that still has all of Jones, Gregor, Lagesson, and Timmins on it with about $150k in cap space to spare.

Bender

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2024, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on March 01, 2024, 09:12:48 AMThe salary retention part throws me off. What does Trev think he can get in this market?

I thought the retention originally meant that Treliving had another move planned, but it could also just have been done to prevent having to risk anyone on waivers soon. As things stand once the trade deadline passes and roster limts go away the Leafs could eventually get up to a 25-man roster that still has all of Jones, Gregor, Lagesson, and Timmins on it with about $150k in cap space to spare.

I think that's possible but you have to think there's probably some kind of forward pickup, no?
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Dappleganger

Quote from: Bender on March 01, 2024, 10:23:33 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2024, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on March 01, 2024, 09:12:48 AMThe salary retention part throws me off. What does Trev think he can get in this market?

I thought the retention originally meant that Treliving had another move planned, but it could also just have been done to prevent having to risk anyone on waivers soon. As things stand once the trade deadline passes and roster limts go away the Leafs could eventually get up to a 25-man roster that still has all of Jones, Gregor, Lagesson, and Timmins on it with about $150k in cap space to spare.

I think that's possible but you have to think there's probably some kind of forward pickup, no?

I don't think the Leafs need a single forward.

Frank E

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2024, 10:15:49 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on March 01, 2024, 09:12:48 AMThe salary retention part throws me off. What does Trev think he can get in this market?

I thought the retention originally meant that Treliving had another move planned, but it could also just have been done to prevent having to risk anyone on waivers soon. As things stand once the trade deadline passes and roster limts go away the Leafs could eventually get up to a 25-man roster that still has all of Jones, Gregor, Lagesson, and Timmins on it with about $150k in cap space to spare.

Interesting...so you pay the 6th to make the max retention move to give yourself flexibility moving forward.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Bender on March 01, 2024, 10:23:33 AMI think that's possible but you have to think there's probably some kind of forward pickup, no?

Probably depends on how much stock we can put into the recent performances of guys like Bertuzzi, McMann, Holmberg, and of course Reaves. If those guys keep playing well and cement their spots in the line-up once Jarnkrok returns then we'll have Robertson and Gregor slotted into the 13/14 forward slots and that seems pretty fine depth wise.

But yeah personally I do think adding another defensive or physical or defensively physical element to the bottom-6 would be worthwhile.