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L K

Quote from: azzurri63 on December 02, 2023, 11:10:05 PMAlso I missed chunks of the game did Marchand even get hit? Curious if anyone pasted him.

No.  Reaves got a cheap penalty for a hit but otherwise did nothing and established again that he has no business being in the lineup.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: L K on December 03, 2023, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: azzurri63 on December 02, 2023, 11:10:05 PMAlso I missed chunks of the game did Marchand even get hit? Curious if anyone pasted him.

No.  Reaves got a cheap penalty for a hit but otherwise did nothing and established again that he has no business being in the lineup.
Reaves was on the ice against Marchand for 9 seconds. He had 4 hits, 1 SOG, in 6 mins of ice time. Not defending him but I don't know what people are expecting. No one on Boston or most teams is going to fight him. He tried to stir it up once in front of the Bruins net and as soon as they saw it was him, they did nothing. He hit a Bruin, shook him up and got penalized for it which was weak.

As for Ratboy getting hit, only recall Rielly putting him on his ass once and Jarnkrok giving him a jab in the face.

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 02, 2023, 10:18:03 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 02, 2023, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: L K on December 02, 2023, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 02, 2023, 09:57:53 PMI'll look at the positives: Matthews looked terrific, Domi got the monkey off his back.

Willy has fallen back to earth.

Willy's kind of stunk the last few games.  It's hard to play like he did for 82 straight games but effort level has been pretty miserable for a few games.
He hasn't been good since coming back from Sweden. Tonight's OT was a special kind of horrible though. His effort and decision making was off the charts bad..so bad that Keefe put Gregor out with 34 for a shift in OT

He's been fabulous in OT til now.  I'll cut him some slack but he does have tendencies that need to be watched and managed.
There's no slack when you put out an effort like that.. his guy scored the winner at the net while he barely crossed the blue line from centre ice, after giving the puck away for the 3rd time in OT. There's no excuse for that. It's really disappointing seeing that from him because he's been so good this year in all zones.

I've noticed quite a few bad habits creep back into Nylander's game. The habits that have driven fans and coaches nuts throughout his career. If you watch after shots, he's watching and expecting every one of his shots to go in. He actually stops moving his feet, stands up straight and glides out of position.
I was fearful that he would go into a funk after the point streak was over.

cw

Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 02, 2023, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 02, 2023, 10:18:03 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 02, 2023, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: L K on December 02, 2023, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 02, 2023, 09:57:53 PMI'll look at the positives: Matthews looked terrific, Domi got the monkey off his back.

Willy has fallen back to earth.

Willy's kind of stunk the last few games.  It's hard to play like he did for 82 straight games but effort level has been pretty miserable for a few games.
He hasn't been good since coming back from Sweden. Tonight's OT was a special kind of horrible though. His effort and decision making was off the charts bad..so bad that Keefe put Gregor out with 34 for a shift in OT

He's been fabulous in OT til now.  I'll cut him some slack but he does have tendencies that need to be watched and managed.
There's no slack when you put out an effort like that.. his guy scored the winner at the net while he barely crossed the blue line from centre ice, after giving the puck away for the 3rd time in OT. There's no excuse for that. It's really disappointing seeing that from him because he's been so good this year in all zones.

I think there is some explanation -similar to one he offered previously. He was gassed.

He played the last 2 mins of the 3rd plus 2:40 of OT. In the last 7 minutes: 4:40 (67% of the ice time during that stretch).

If one tries to play ice time like that - particularly 3 on 3, they can hit a wall. Brain is oxygen deprived - not thinking so well. Muscles oxygen deprived & weaker. Coordination isn't as sharp - more prone to falling. etc.

The pause between the end of the game and OT helped. So did the timeout. But still, trying to get him to produce 20% of his ice time at the top end in the last 10% of the game has risks that a player will run out of gas.

Marchand & Pasternak played slightly more than 3 minutes during that same stretch. Any wonder why they might be fresher and less prone to falling down?

Over the same time period, Marner played 3 mins. Matthews 3.5 mins. Tavares 3.7 mins - all of them a minute or more less than Nylander.

Nylander hasn't forgotten how to play entirely. Caught up in the game, he may have 'forgotten' how to get off the ice. It is not the first time. He bears some responsibility.

dekedastardly

Reeves could have tried to start something with Frederic. I for one am pretty disappointed that there was basically zero response. Opposition still gets free passes to our net far too often. I think not landing Zadorov is a big missed opportunity

azzurri63

Quote from: dekedastardly on December 03, 2023, 10:07:37 AMReeves could have tried to start something with Frederic. I for one am pretty disappointed that there was basically zero response. Opposition still gets free passes to our net far too often. I think not landing Zadorov is a big missed opportunity


Team is all talk. I for one thought someone would paste him every opportunity. I've said this for years it's almost like there is an unwritten rule as far as hitting the POS.

Joe

Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 03, 2023, 04:54:36 AM
Quote from: L K on December 03, 2023, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: azzurri63 on December 02, 2023, 11:10:05 PMAlso I missed chunks of the game did Marchand even get hit? Curious if anyone pasted him.

No.  Reaves got a cheap penalty for a hit but otherwise did nothing and established again that he has no business being in the lineup.
Reaves was on the ice against Marchand for 9 seconds. He had 4 hits, 1 SOG, in 6 mins of ice time. Not defending him but I don't know what people are expecting. No one on Boston or most teams is going to fight him. He tried to stir it up once in front of the Bruins net and as soon as they saw it was him, they did nothing. He hit a Bruin, shook him up and got penalized for it which was weak.

As for Ratboy getting hit, only recall Rielly putting him on his ass once and Jarnkrok giving him a jab in the face.


I absolutely agree with what you've posted but that pretty much sums up why he's a waste of a roster spot and cap space.

Joe

I have no issue with the play of the team last night. It's one of those shit happens games. They played well and it didn't work out.

I know this may sound stupid but I'd rather see a game like that and they lose then that stupid game against the kraken where fell ass backwards into a win.

L K

Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 03, 2023, 04:54:36 AM
Quote from: L K on December 03, 2023, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: azzurri63 on December 02, 2023, 11:10:05 PMAlso I missed chunks of the game did Marchand even get hit? Curious if anyone pasted him.

No.  Reaves got a cheap penalty for a hit but otherwise did nothing and established again that he has no business being in the lineup.
Reaves was on the ice against Marchand for 9 seconds. He had 4 hits, 1 SOG, in 6 mins of ice time. Not defending him but I don't know what people are expecting. No one on Boston or most teams is going to fight him. He tried to stir it up once in front of the Bruins net and as soon as they saw it was him, they did nothing. He hit a Bruin, shook him up and got penalized for it which was weak.

As for Ratboy getting hit, only recall Rielly putting him on his ass once and Jarnkrok giving him a jab in the face.

But that's exactly the problem.  He doesn't really contribute to the offensive or defensive side of the game and it's hard to be a deterrent when no one will fight you anyway.   Reaves best case is a handful of hits and forcing the other 11 forwards to play more. 

Guilt Trip

Quote from: L K on December 03, 2023, 12:40:34 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on December 03, 2023, 04:54:36 AM
Quote from: L K on December 03, 2023, 12:23:01 AM
Quote from: azzurri63 on December 02, 2023, 11:10:05 PMAlso I missed chunks of the game did Marchand even get hit? Curious if anyone pasted him.

No.  Reaves got a cheap penalty for a hit but otherwise did nothing and established again that he has no business being in the lineup.
Reaves was on the ice against Marchand for 9 seconds. He had 4 hits, 1 SOG, in 6 mins of ice time. Not defending him but I don't know what people are expecting. No one on Boston or most teams is going to fight him. He tried to stir it up once in front of the Bruins net and as soon as they saw it was him, they did nothing. He hit a Bruin, shook him up and got penalized for it which was weak.

As for Ratboy getting hit, only recall Rielly putting him on his ass once and Jarnkrok giving him a jab in the face.

But that's exactly the problem.  He doesn't really contribute to the offensive or defensive side of the game and it's hard to be a deterrent when no one will fight you anyway.   Reaves best case is a handful of hits and forcing the other 11 forwards to play more. 
Agree. He can totally do his job and it's still not good enough to warrant a roster spot.

cw

Quote from: Joe on December 03, 2023, 11:40:26 AMI have no issue with the play of the team last night. It's one of those shit happens games. They played well and it didn't work out.

I know this may sound stupid but I'd rather see a game like that and they lose then that stupid game against the kraken where fell ass backwards into a win.

That captures a bunch of my feelings.

I felt better about them losing this game than I did about them beating the Kraken because of how they played. They were competitive against a good team vs lousy against a weaker team.

Only the Habs have fewer regulation wins. They have slightly more goals against than they have scored. They're currently a wild card team only 2 pts ahead of 9th place (out of the playoffs) in their conference. That is not where a team with as much talent as they have should be and it feels like they're a little lucky to be there. One more injury or series of bad bounces and they could be into a serious slump into a position out of the playoffs. Even when their defense was 'healthy' they were not good defensively. As currently constructed, it is hard to see a deep playoff run. They were supposed to be a Cup contender. Currently, they're contending to make the playoffs.

There's something wrong and I don't think I can point to one thing.

Arn

Quote from: cw on December 03, 2023, 01:30:37 PM.

There's something wrong and I don't think I can point to one thing.

To me it feels like there wasn't a coherent vision of what the team was meant to be, rather they just signed players and hoped to shove them into a role. It was just a bit rushed. For probably obvious reasons.

Whether you liked or agreed with him, at least you could see a strategy behind the moves made the last few years or see why certain players had been picked up.
I Saw Jay McClement Score.

Bender

Quote from: Arn on December 03, 2023, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: cw on December 03, 2023, 01:30:37 PM.

There's something wrong and I don't think I can point to one thing.

To me it feels like there wasn't a coherent vision of what the team was meant to be, rather they just signed players and hoped to shove them into a role. It was just a bit rushed. For probably obvious reasons.

Whether you liked or agreed with him, at least you could see a strategy behind the moves made the last few years or see why certain players had been picked up.

As much as the FA signings were Brad's doing, the general point the team is at is still mostly Dubas. We can debate Reaves/Klingberg all we want and we might have a mulligan on Klingberg anyhow, but this is what happens when you're capped out every year and the players you had for cheap move on for bigger contracts a la Hyman/Bunting etc. They tried on Dumba, Gudas, ROR and swung out, but still got the big fish in Bertuzzi who hasn't looked great and neither has Matthews or Marner for large chunks of the year. If the top two lines are consistent we aren't having this conversation.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

azzurri63

Quote from: Bender on December 04, 2023, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: Arn on December 03, 2023, 03:19:52 PM
Quote from: cw on December 03, 2023, 01:30:37 PM.

There's something wrong and I don't think I can point to one thing.

To me it feels like there wasn't a coherent vision of what the team was meant to be, rather they just signed players and hoped to shove them into a role. It was just a bit rushed. For probably obvious reasons.

Whether you liked or agreed with him, at least you could see a strategy behind the moves made the last few years or see why certain players had been picked up.

As much as the FA signings were Brad's doing, the general point the team is at is still mostly Dubas. We can debate Reaves/Klingberg all we want and we might have a mulligan on Klingberg anyhow, but this is what happens when you're capped out every year and the players you had for cheap move on for bigger contracts a la Hyman/Bunting etc. They tried on Dumba, Gudas, ROR and swung out, but still got the big fish in Bertuzzi who hasn't looked great and neither has Matthews or Marner for large chunks of the year. If the top two lines are consistent we aren't having this conversation.

Ya I agree with you and have been saying the same thing for a long time. What do we expect when like you say you are capped out. Dubas caved in to these guys when they hadn't won anything as a team and regular season stats are great but when you disappear when it matters most I'm sorry you don't deserve a raise when quite frankly you're paid handsomely in regards to others in the league that you're equivalent to. Love watching our core but for me too inconsistent, too many nights off and I don't expect 3 points a night from them but at least don't mail it in. We have seen that far too often. Always go back to Game 3 against the Panthers when our backs were against the wall and 16 & 34 were MIA. I hope Treliving doesn't give up even more of our prospect pool or drafts because Dubas did a fine job of that and to be honest our farm system and prospects isn't that good. Question is what do you do? Without mortgaging the future someone has to go.I wouldn't be against some sort of retool because as most of you know I think this core is flawed.