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Shane Pinto suspended 41 games for violating NHL gambling rules

Started by Frank E, October 26, 2023, 10:16:43 AM

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herman

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Significantly Insignificant

Quote from: herman on October 26, 2023, 11:52:46 AMAccidentally drawing more attention to Alex Formenton

Yeah the Drake Batherson/Alex Formenton situation seems like something that is being swept under a rug.
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bustaheims

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on October 26, 2023, 11:44:20 AMHalf a season and he didn't even bet on NHL games. That's sure something.

edit: I guess maybe he didn't bet on "NHL games" as the release says, but other NHL-related prop bets like award winners and stuff.

There is some speculation/not super trustworthy reporting suggesting he used a proxy to make bets.
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cabber24

Why can't NHL players make wages on other sports if the bets are legal?
... because... they could sway a result in their sport if they convinced someone in another sport to sway the result?
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Arn

Interestingly Sandro Tonali of Newcastle United (the football team I follow) has just been banned for 10 months for betting on illegal betting platforms in Italy.

It's unclear if he bet on football or matches his then team AC Milan were playing in.

Meanwhile on Sunday he played his last game before the suspension and received an ovation of support from the fans while walking past the various advertising boards in the ground that were showing adverts of the league and clubs betting partners.

Ivan Toney of Brentford is nearing the end of a ban for betting. When he returns he will be playing in a shirt with a betting company on the front as the main sponsor.

Both players have been diagnosed with gambling addictions.

I think a sports and gambling reckoning similar to the smoking one is required...
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Zee

Quote from: cabber24 on October 26, 2023, 12:40:04 PMWhy can't NHL players make wages on other sports if the bets are legal?
... because... they could sway a result in their sport if they convinced someone in another sport to sway the result?

As far as I understand NHL players ARE allowed to wager on other sports.

"Players are allowed to wager on other sporting events and it's not unusual for a team to have weekly NFL pools in the room."

https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/pinto-nailed-with-gambling-suspension

Significantly Insignificant

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Quote from: Arn on October 26, 2023, 12:46:44 PMInterestingly Sandro Tonali of Newcastle United (the football team I follow) has just been banned for 10 months for betting on illegal betting platforms in Italy.

It's unclear if he bet on football or matches his then team AC Milan were playing in.

Meanwhile on Sunday he played his last game before the suspension and received an ovation of support from the fans while walking past the various advertising boards in the ground that were showing adverts of the league and clubs betting partners.

Ivan Toney of Brentford is nearing the end of a ban for betting. When he returns he will be playing in a shirt with a betting company on the front as the main sponsor.

Both players have been diagnosed with gambling addictions.

I think a sports and gambling reckoning similar to the smoking one is required...

I agree that something must be done.  My kids watch the Leaf games with me, and they have commented on the number of betting ads that come up during the game.  On the radio yesterday though they were saying that the leagues are probably going to push for more betting avenues because it increases fan involvement with the game.  I don't know if that is necessarily a good thing for society.  Things that are tied to making more money rarely are good for society though.
"We can't change what's done, we can only move on." - Arthur Morgan

Frank E


OldTimeHockey

Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on October 26, 2023, 01:51:43 PM
Quote from: Arn on October 26, 2023, 12:46:44 PMInterestingly Sandro Tonali of Newcastle United (the football team I follow) has just been banned for 10 months for betting on illegal betting platforms in Italy.

It's unclear if he bet on football or matches his then team AC Milan were playing in.

Meanwhile on Sunday he played his last game before the suspension and received an ovation of support from the fans while walking past the various advertising boards in the ground that were showing adverts of the league and clubs betting partners.

Ivan Toney of Brentford is nearing the end of a ban for betting. When he returns he will be playing in a shirt with a betting company on the front as the main sponsor.

Both players have been diagnosed with gambling addictions.

I think a sports and gambling reckoning similar to the smoking one is required...

I agree that something must be done.  My kids watch the Leaf games with me, and they have commented on the number of betting ads that come up during the game.  On the radio yesterday though they were saying that the leagues are probably going to push for more betting avenues because it increases fan involvement with the game.  I don't know if that is necessarily a good thing for society.  Things that are tied to making more money rarely are good for society though.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sports-betting-athlete-ban-advertising-ontario-1.6950541

Ontario is at least making a move in the right direction banning the use of athletes in advertising for online betting. So I guess now we'll just get Jamie Foxx commercials? Or the guy asking what Americans know about hockey?

herman

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1717681675768070559
QuoteThere's a lot we don't know yet, but the league clearly was concerned with what it found. The NHLPA agreeing to and negotiating this kind of harsh suspension is a tell that no one liked what was discovered in the league's investigation.
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Peter D.

Pinto was apologetic and accepting of the suspension, so it must have been really serious for him to not even push back even the slightest on it.

Nik


It is a weird suspension length. On the one hand you'd think "Well, 41 games is a lot so it has to be serious" but on the other it's like "Well, betting on hockey would be a lot more serious so what could it be that is half a season's worth of serious?"

Maybe the NHL's statement is revealing in it's specificity. He may not have bet on NHL games but player props? A fantasy hockey league?

Either way, there's no way around the fact that it's not a great look for leagues when they're stuffing as much gambling money into their pockets as humanly possible while also telling us how bad it is if their players make wagers.
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herman

Is anyone running bets on what Pinto was (proxy) gambling on?

Something extremely bad and embarrassing to the League, but not enough to bar him from the game entirely, and where this 41 game consequence is preferrable to the information being discussed publicly?

And when it rains...
In addition to the horrific Brannstrom concussion last night,
https://twitter.com/TSN1200/status/1717957953917948135

All this amidst rumours of Dorion being replaced with Peter Chiarelli.
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Peter D.

Quote from: Nik on October 27, 2023, 09:48:33 AMEither way, there's no way around the fact that it's not a great look for leagues when they're stuffing as much gambling money into their pockets as humanly possible while also telling us how bad it is if their players make wagers.

Precisely.

Bender

Quote from: Nik on October 27, 2023, 09:48:33 AMIt is a weird suspension length. On the one hand you'd think "Well, 41 games is a lot so it has to be serious" but on the other it's like "Well, betting on hockey would be a lot more serious so what could it be that is half a season's worth of serious?"

Maybe the NHL's statement is revealing in it's specificity. He may not have bet on NHL games but player props? A fantasy hockey league?

Either way, there's no way around the fact that it's not a great look for leagues when they're stuffing as much gambling money into their pockets as humanly possible while also telling us how bad it is if their players make wagers.

It really all comes down to what he did. If there were more details we could properly form what we think about this. Currently there's not much to go on but I did hear he potentially bet on a team while on that specific team's premises. Whether they should even have that rule is up for debate, but if that's the rule and he broke the rule then so be it. He can gamble, but not in a way that could obviously appear as insider knowledge.
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