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Leafs sign Ryan Reaves [3 years, $1.35mil AAV]

Started by herman, June 30, 2023, 11:18:10 PM

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Bill33

#30
Although I hate the deal and what it represents, I'm willing to under the assumption that they didn't go completely insane and structure it such that it can't be buried. Surely Pridham still has some input.

Arn

I Saw Jay McClement Score.

dekedastardly

I like it. Reaves is a scary dude, is still feared around the league. How I see it is this team needed this element in their lineup and the Panthers series made that abundantly evident. Players like Gudas, Bennett, Tkachuk now think twice before doing what they do for fear of having to answer to this guy.

Highlander

Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on July 01, 2023, 11:27:24 AMthis new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....
Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.
So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.
Ya agreed they neeed the protection now, not later. NEEED.  In two years they by him out or Ltri him. 
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Bill33

Quote from: Highlander on July 01, 2023, 07:09:12 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on July 01, 2023, 11:27:24 AMthis new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....
Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.
So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.
Ya agreed they neeed the protection now, not later. NEEED.  In two years they by him out or Ltri him. 

In what world do people exist that they think that having a facepuncher in the lineup "protects" players? This has been disproven constantly and yet it still gets brought up as some kind of irrefutable logic.

Bender

He had similar point totals to Acciari. As long as he can play why should I get bent out of shape over a 4th liner?
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

WhatIfGodWasALeaf

Quote from: Bender on July 01, 2023, 08:15:51 PMHe had similar point totals to Acciari. As long as he can play why should I get bent out of shape over a 4th liner?


According to The Athletic, the deal has also been structured in a way that the over 35 contract concerns are not a concern here, if it doesn't work, they can disappear the cap hit fairly easily.

herman

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1675293063818752000
Here's what WIGWAL is referring to.

Here's the stipulations for which 35+ contracts cannot be cap saved against
QuoteWhat is a 35-plus contract?
A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded
Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors

#27

Nik


I don't think this deal is great or anything but anyone who's legit worked up about it has been poisoned by GM brain. It's a small deal for a 4th line guy. They can buy if they need to, they can probably trade it if they need to and the odds of it having a significant on-ice effect on the club is pretty small either way.

I get it. We all want to be cap gurus and be up on every detail to think of ourselves as informed fans but if you're mad because this small inexpensive deal might not work out or it might be a year too long or a couple hundred thousand too much, that's touch grass kind of stuff. If Reaves sucks, sure, tear into it but this seems like exactly the sort of low-stakes thing everyone can afford to have a wait and see attitude about.
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Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off

Quote from: Nik on July 02, 2023, 06:15:03 AMI don't think this deal is great or anything but anyone who's legit worked up about it has been poisoned by GM brain. It's a small deal for a 4th line guy. They can buy if they need to, they can probably trade it if they need to and the odds of it having a significant on-ice effect on the club is pretty small either way.

I get it. We all want to be cap gurus and be up on every detail to think of ourselves as informed fans but if you're mad because this small inexpensive deal might not work out or it might be a year too long or a couple hundred thousand too much, that's touch grass kind of stuff. If Reaves sucks, sure, tear into it but this seems like exactly the sort of low-stakes thing everyone can afford to have a wait and see attitude about.

I generally agree. What irks me a little is losing Acciari, now maybe that doesn't directly relate to signing Reaves, but it's hard not to compare them a little.

dekedastardly

Losing O'Reilly & Acciari sucks, but I'll reserve judgement until I see what else goes on. Reaves comes pretty cheap and ramps up intensity significantly.

Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off

Quote from: dekedastardly on July 02, 2023, 07:11:52 AMLosing O'Reilly & Acciari sucks, but I'll reserve judgement until I see what else goes on. Reaves comes pretty cheap and ramps up intensity significantly.

I wanted to keep them both too, but ROR's contract is a steep one imo. Acciari's would have been a good one though.

Bender

Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_less_sad on July 02, 2023, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: dekedastardly on July 02, 2023, 07:11:52 AMLosing O'Reilly & Acciari sucks, but I'll reserve judgement until I see what else goes on. Reaves comes pretty cheap and ramps up intensity significantly.

I wanted to keep them both too, but ROR's contract is a steep one imo. Acciari's would have been a good one though.

And the thing is I have a hard time believing they didn't try to extend those guys. Tre said it wasnt a dollars or term issue with O'Reilly. The Leafs don't exist in a vacuum and FAs can and do go elsewhere even on good teams. Losing Acciari hurts in the sense that I liked his play, but look up his stats. He's not irreplaceable.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Bill_Berg_is_pissed_off

Quote from: Bender on July 02, 2023, 08:24:40 AM
Quote from: Bill_Berg_is_less_sad on July 02, 2023, 07:25:49 AM
Quote from: dekedastardly on July 02, 2023, 07:11:52 AMLosing O'Reilly & Acciari sucks, but I'll reserve judgement until I see what else goes on. Reaves comes pretty cheap and ramps up intensity significantly.

I wanted to keep them both too, but ROR's contract is a steep one imo. Acciari's would have been a good one though.

And the thing is I have a hard time believing they didn't try to extend those guys. Tre said it wasnt a dollars or term issue with O'Reilly. The Leafs don't exist in a vacuum and FAs can and do go elsewhere even on good teams. Losing Acciari hurts in the sense that I liked his play, but look up his stats. He's not irreplaceable.

I don't completely buy the 'wasn't a dollars or term' story for ROR. And sure, Acciari is replaceable, but he still needs to be replaced.

dekedastardly

If they somehow were to rope in Dumba and or Bertuzzi, I would feel better.