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Leafs sign Ryan Reaves [3 years, $1.35mil AAV]

Started by herman, June 30, 2023, 11:18:10 PM

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herman

Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: herman on July 01, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWell the cap hit will be negligible next year, just like his TOI this year. Except for probably like 3 big hits and a couple of tussles in Nov and Feb.

Dinosaur GM move. I'm missing dubas already.

Dubas always had these guys on his teams too (younger and could play initially) in Clune, Clifford, Simmonds
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Significantly Insignificant

Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 01, 2023, 11:21:52 AMI'm starting to think the Leafs made a mistake on their GM hire.

I think it's probably hard to go hard after UFAs until they can get they get Nylander's extension worked out (or more likely, not worked out). I'd wager he'll be traded in the next day or two. 

I don't see how signing Reaves to that deal helps the cap situation.  So he doesn't help on the ice and you spend almost $1.5 million a year on him.  Seems counter productive.
"We can't change what's done, we can only move on." - Arthur Morgan

LittleHockeyFan

this new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: Significantly Insignificant on July 01, 2023, 11:21:52 AMI'm starting to think the Leafs made a mistake on their GM hire.

I think it's probably hard to go hard after UFAs until they can get they get Nylander's extension worked out (or more likely, not worked out). I'd wager he'll be traded in the next day or two. 
No it's not. The Leafs have room so go grab the guy you want. You draw a line in the sand and tell Nylander your comparable is around Meier. We'll pay you say 500K more then Meier and that's the max we'll pay, so yes or no. If you don't sign by whatever day, we're trading you and you move on.

Gerald The Duck


Bill33

Quote from: herman on July 01, 2023, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: herman on July 01, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWell the cap hit will be negligible next year, just like his TOI this year. Except for probably like 3 big hits and a couple of tussles in Nov and Feb.

Dinosaur GM move. I'm missing dubas already.

Dubas always had these guys on his teams too (younger and could play initially) in Clune, Clifford, Simmonds

They've still got Clifford if they wanted a face puncher, and I'd wager he's just as good at hockey. If they're at an impasse with Nylander because they're 1.3 million apart (which it sounds like they are), but sign Reaves, this is going to look even worse.

RedLeaf

#21
This almost feels like a replacement move for losing Schenn. Except Schenn is a d-man.


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herman

Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:31:56 AM
Quote from: herman on July 01, 2023, 11:25:15 AM
Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:16:21 AM
Quote from: herman on July 01, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWell the cap hit will be negligible next year, just like his TOI this year. Except for probably like 3 big hits and a couple of tussles in Nov and Feb.

Dinosaur GM move. I'm missing dubas already.

Dubas always had these guys on his teams too (younger and could play initially) in Clune, Clifford, Simmonds

They've still got Clifford if they wanted a face puncher, and I'd wager he's just as good at hockey. If they're at an impasse with Nylander because they're 1.3 million apart (which it sounds like they are), but sign Reaves, this is going to look even worse.

Preaching to the choir here. I will always favour giving Nylander a bit more and lose out on a puncher.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Guilt Trip

Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on July 01, 2023, 11:27:24 AMthis new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....
Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:31:56 AMThey've still got Clifford if they wanted a face puncher, and I'd wager he's just as good at hockey. If they're at an impasse with Nylander because they're 1.3 million apart (which it sounds like they are), but sign Reaves, this is going to look even worse.
The 1.3M doesn't work that way. You still need a player on the roster so $750k minimum. This will not effect whether Willy signs or not because his contract doesn't start until next season and Reaves could be playing for the Marlies then.

herman

This is how we take the focus away from the core 4: sign more bad deals to draw the ire.
#27 #TeamFasstholes

Bill33

Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on July 01, 2023, 11:27:24 AMthis new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....
Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on July 01, 2023, 11:27:24 AMthis new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....
Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.
So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.

Bill33

Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Bill33 on July 01, 2023, 11:47:43 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on July 01, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
Quote from: LittleHockeyFan on July 01, 2023, 11:27:24 AMthis new GM.... I hate him already. He lets Schenn and O'Reilly go, but signs Ryan f*@#&ing Reaves. Like we need another cementhead who will spend most of his time either on the bench or in the penaltybox.
what a useless move this was.....
Schenn is getting too much and ROR for 4 years isn't ideal but could have lived with it. I don't know why they signed Reaves but it doesn't really bother me because Reaves is a 4th liner so more ice for the top 6. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't take a lot of penalties.He was 9th on Minny for penalties per time played. He also only had 31 minutes in 61 games played, 3 minors, 5 majors. He also drew more penalties then he took.

He's borderline unplayable now, and will be completely unplayable in years 2 and 3. It's just a absurdly pointless signing.
So who cares about those years then? They can ship him off to the Marlies. Cap hit is almost completely buriable.

Or, you know, a GM can actually acquire players that are valuable additions over the length of their contracts, especially in the short term and not have to plan to bury anything.

CarltonTheBear

We have to wait to see what the structure of the deal is but as a 35+ year old the deal might not be buriable.

Quote from: https://www.capfriendly.com/faqWhat is a 35-plus contract?
A contract is designated a 35+ contract if the players age on the first year of the contract is 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract).

35+ contracts that are two years in length or longer and:
1. Have a signing bonus in the 2nd or later year, OR
2. Are front-loaded

Will not benefit from a reduced cap hit regardless of the players location of play, termination, retired status, or a buyout. This rule was introduced by the NHL to prevent teams from backloading contracts past when the player was expected to retire. An exception to this rule is that a team will receive a $100,000 cap hit reduction if the player is on the 2nd or later year of the contract and assigned to the minors