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2023 Offseason Trades & Signings

Started by CarltonTheBear, June 09, 2023, 08:28:39 AM

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bustaheims

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Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 23, 2023, 05:58:15 AM
Quote from: herman on August 22, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 22, 2023, 12:56:35 PMHagel's signing should definitely drive down Nylander's ask. Hagel has similar numbers to Nylander at that age and brings more heart to the game.

Why? They're not in the same performance tier. Similar role though.

23yr old Nylander put up 59pts
24yr old Hagel put up 64pts

Equals = Same tier

If only the Leafs were negotiating with a 23 year old Nylander and not one who's been a point a game player for the last two seasons.

Also, at 23, Nylander put up those 59 points in 68 games. Hagel put up 64 in 81.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Bullfrog

Quote from: herman on August 23, 2023, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 23, 2023, 05:58:15 AM
Quote from: herman on August 22, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 22, 2023, 12:56:35 PMHagel's signing should definitely drive down Nylander's ask. Hagel has similar numbers to Nylander at that age and brings more heart to the game.

Why? They're not in the same performance tier. Similar role though.

23yr old Nylander put up 59pts
24yr old Hagel put up 64pts

Equals = Same tier

I can't tell if you're being facetious lol


I'm having the same struggle.

Nik

I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: bustaheims on August 23, 2023, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 23, 2023, 05:58:15 AM
Quote from: herman on August 22, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 22, 2023, 12:56:35 PMHagel's signing should definitely drive down Nylander's ask. Hagel has similar numbers to Nylander at that age and brings more heart to the game.

Why? They're not in the same performance tier. Similar role though.

23yr old Nylander put up 59pts
24yr old Hagel put up 64pts

Equals = Same tier

If only the Leafs were negotiating with a 23 year old Nylander and not one who's been a point a game player for the last two seasons.

Also, at 23, Nylander put up those 59 points in 68 games. Hagel put up 64 in 81.


I think we have to also take into account the heart the player brings to the rink

bustaheims

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 24, 2023, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on August 23, 2023, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 23, 2023, 05:58:15 AM
Quote from: herman on August 22, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 22, 2023, 12:56:35 PMHagel's signing should definitely drive down Nylander's ask. Hagel has similar numbers to Nylander at that age and brings more heart to the game.

Why? They're not in the same performance tier. Similar role though.

23yr old Nylander put up 59pts
24yr old Hagel put up 64pts

Equals = Same tier

If only the Leafs were negotiating with a 23 year old Nylander and not one who's been a point a game player for the last two seasons.

Also, at 23, Nylander put up those 59 points in 68 games. Hagel put up 64 in 81.


I think we have to also take into account the heart the player brings to the rink

Nylander also has a perfectly functioning heart. So, that's moot.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

OldTimeHockey

Quote from: bustaheims on August 24, 2023, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 24, 2023, 07:28:30 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on August 23, 2023, 09:29:16 AM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 23, 2023, 05:58:15 AM
Quote from: herman on August 22, 2023, 02:08:49 PM
Quote from: OldTimeHockey on August 22, 2023, 12:56:35 PMHagel's signing should definitely drive down Nylander's ask. Hagel has similar numbers to Nylander at that age and brings more heart to the game.

Why? They're not in the same performance tier. Similar role though.

23yr old Nylander put up 59pts
24yr old Hagel put up 64pts

Equals = Same tier

If only the Leafs were negotiating with a 23 year old Nylander and not one who's been a point a game player for the last two seasons.

Also, at 23, Nylander put up those 59 points in 68 games. Hagel put up 64 in 81.


I think we have to also take into account the heart the player brings to the rink

Nylander also has a perfectly functioning heart. So, that's moot.

Good point. I take back everything I said.

Frank E

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1699594887962800567

Is he that good?  If he is, Chabot Chychrun Sanderson Zub is a nice top-4 d-man collection.

Dappleganger

Quote from: Frank E on September 07, 2023, 09:20:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1699594887962800567

Is he that good?  If he is, Chabot Chychrun Sanderson Zub is a nice top-4 d-man collection.

Eventually Ottawa will be good, yeah?

bustaheims

Quote from: Frank E on September 07, 2023, 09:20:50 AMhttps://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1699594887962800567

Is he that good?  If he is, Chabot Chychrun Sanderson Zub is a nice top-4 d-man collection.

He has good potential, but it's a big commitment to a guy who had a good rookie year. As of right now, that number represents the 14th highest cap hit for a defenceman for the 24/25 season.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

OldTimeHockey

That's a crazy contract for a guy with one year of NHL experience

AtomicMapleLeaf


bustaheims

Quote from: OldTimeHockey on September 07, 2023, 04:56:10 PMThat's a crazy contract for a guy with one year of NHL experience

That was basically my take. It's not like he came out and set the league on fire - and there was no need to get an extension done this summer, as he still has a year on his ELC. He had a strong, promising rookie season and showed promise, but, even if he has a great year this season, he wasn't going to get much more than this on whatever contract he signed. And, if he doesn't take that leap, they almost certainly signed him for cheaper, even if that meant shorter term.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

OldTimeHockey

Morgan Rielly's flaws aside, it's crazy to think that Sanderson is making more than him after one NHL season.

herman

Zegras 3 x 5.75M AAV (this one might burn them later)
Drysdale 3 x 2.3M AAV (tidy business)
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