Kyle Dubas named Penguins President of Hockey Ops

[CarltonTheBear]

I didn't say a deal was in place or airtight "proves" anything because there's no way for us to know without more details, but there's a reason why Pitt put everything on hold once the Leafs got bounced. I think that indicates heavy interest, and if we knew about it through the media then Kyle obviously knew about it and thensome. How frequently have we heard "tampering haha" in the last few days? Point being is Dubas knew something enticing was on the table, and once the details were ironed out he went for it.

I think Dubas knew his value around the league and didn't think the contract he was being offered, both in terms of money and power, met that value. Whether he should have approached that issue with the Leafs differently is obviously another story. But in the end he got what he wanted. Good luck to him there.

[herman]

[L K]

I guarantee someone from the Fenway group/Penguins talked to Dubas/his agent.  Tampering happens all the time.  But I think ultimately this was something that Dubas would know was available to him.  The Leafs could have avoided the entire scenario if they didn't let him run through to the end of his contract and gave him an extension last offseason.

[Arn]

Odds on Penguins winning a cup before Toronto?

[Peter D.]

Quite bluntly, the way this entire situation has played out from all parties involved, Dubas comes out looking like a conniving little b!tch.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

Quite bluntly, the way this entire situation has played out from all parties involved, Dubas comes out looking like a conniving little b!tch.

Well, I wouldn't use that term but what happened to "I absolutely wouldn't take any other job right now"?

Honestly, that fateful press conference he gave was a disaster.  To me, he doesn't come out of all this as a guy who's fully mature, despite his being savvy in so many ways.

[herman]

I guarantee someone from the Fenway group/Penguins talked to Dubas/his agent.  Tampering happens all the time.  But I think ultimately this was something that Dubas would know was available to him.  The Leafs could have avoided the entire scenario if they didn't let him run through to the end of his contract and gave him an extension last offseason.

Shanahan and Dubas both said Pittsburgh contacted them after the firing. Now that's not to say those trial balloons released in the media weren't legitimately sourced from the Fenway front office.

Seravalli and Mirtle both said Shanahan/media were hinted about Treliving-to-Toronto back in March.

[Bender]

Quite bluntly, the way this entire situation has played out from all parties involved, Dubas comes out looking like a conniving little b!tch.

Well, I wouldn't use that term but what happened to "I absolutely wouldn't take any other job right now"?

Honestly, that fateful press conference he gave was a disaster.  To me, he doesn't come out of all this as a guy who's fully mature, despite his being savvy in so many ways.

I mean, one could argue he meant that he'd be with the Leafs or nowhere if it was his choice. Given he was fired from the Leafs it wasn't his choice, so he's free to do what he wants... even though he likely used a potential Pitt offer as leverage...

Anyway, whatever. What's done is done.

[herman]

Whatever happened or however it happens going forward, it will always reinforce our individual preconceived biases.

[Bender]

Whatever happened or however it happens going forward, it will always reinforce our individual preconceived biases.

To some extent, but I still think we can try to piece together better versions of what happened than others based on the information given, unless there's a full post-mortem like the Burke/Pens article.

[herman]

in addition to the Leafs hiring a fast-forwarded Kyle Dubas, the Penguins are in the nadir of what Toronto hopes to become.

AND Kyle still gets to have a Nylander.

[herman]

Whatever happened or however it happens going forward, it will always reinforce our individual preconceived biases.

To some extent, but I still think we can try to piece together better versions of what happened than others based on the information given, unless there's a full post-mortem like the Burke/Pens article.

Some elements of that have already been disputed by first hand sources
https://twitter.com/TaylorHaasePGH/status/1661842587752202240

Reality is whatever we perceive it to be

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm not getting into who's right or wrong because a) there probably isn't a 100% correct answer to that and b) if there was we'll never all all the information to make that call but it's pretty wild how people can come to such drastically different conclusions on what happened that fateful week based on the same set of information everyone got.

[bustaheims]

Quite bluntly, the way this entire situation has played out from all parties involved, Dubas comes out looking like a conniving little b!tch.

Nobody who was involved with Dubas' last days with the Leafs came out the other end of this looking good. I think it tarnished everyone's reputation a little.

[Bender]

Whatever happened or however it happens going forward, it will always reinforce our individual preconceived biases.

To some extent, but I still think we can try to piece together better versions of what happened than others based on the information given, unless there's a full post-mortem like the Burke/Pens article.

Some elements of that have already been disputed by first hand sources
https://twitter.com/TaylorHaasePGH/status/1661842587752202240

Reality is whatever we perceive it to be

In that case I'm the new GM of the Leafs!