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Kyle Dubas named Penguins President of Hockey Ops

Started by Arn, June 01, 2023, 09:36:54 AM

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bustaheims

Quote from: Nik on June 14, 2023, 10:46:29 AMHe had what in his back pocket? Dubas didn't have a contract. If he didn't want to come back to the Leafs he didn't have to do anything but say so.

The high likelihood he'd get the type of position he was looking for in Pittsburgh if he didn't get what he wanted from the Leafs. I'm not suggesting there was anything nefarious going on, necessarily, but I don't think he made his final proposal to the team without knowing he had a soft landing.
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Nik

Quote from: Peter D. on June 14, 2023, 10:51:52 AMWho's suggesting that Spezza wasn't going to follow Dubas?

Nobody? I'm suggesting that Spezza leaving was a consequence of Dubas leaving. What I'm not seeing is why that makes Dubas leaving a foregone conclusion.

Quote from: Peter D. on June 14, 2023, 10:51:52 AMWhether you agree or disagree, all signs point to Dubas having had the Penguins' job lined up if things went sideways with the Leafs.

Right, the key word there being "if". He probably knew the Penguins were interested, used that as leverage in his negotiations with the Leafs(where he seems to have asked for basically what the Penguins were offering him) and when they decided to go in another direction he took the Pittsburgh job. That still puts the decision as to his return squarely in the lap of the Leafs and doesn't suggest that there was anything disingenuous about his discussions with the Leafs.
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Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on June 14, 2023, 10:54:08 AMThe high likelihood he'd get the type of position he was looking for in Pittsburgh if he didn't get what he wanted from the Leafs. I'm not suggesting there was anything nefarious going on, necessarily, but I don't think he made his final proposal to the team without knowing he had a soft landing.

Given the speed at which the Pittsburgh deal got done it's pretty safe to assume that his agent had gauged the market for what was out there for him if the Leafs moved on. That seems like pretty reasonable agent-type behavior. Especially considering there was a lot of talk that the Leafs would choose to move on regardless.

I suppose I'm just not seeing how Spezza following Dubas connects here, especially since there's really nothing to suggest Dubas wasn't forthright about any of this.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
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The Penguins interest in Dubas was not a surprise leading up to the end of the Leafs season. Penguins knew what everyone else knew, Dubas' contract was up at the end of the season and if he shook loose, he was their "Plan A" to fill their recently vacant President of Hockey Ops.


Both articles are from April:

https://thehockeywriters.com/penguins-could-chase-after-kyle-dubas/

https://theathletic.com/4425186/2023/04/20/dubas-penguins-gm/


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herman

#27 #TeamFasstholes

herman

#27 #TeamFasstholes

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Quote from: herman on June 14, 2023, 06:12:28 PMhttps://twitter.com/dalter/status/1669116663256477696

Sorry for the dates comment, but an honorary doctorate is not a real doctorate.  Dubas won't be using the Dr. salutation.

herman

#27 #TeamFasstholes


L K

I do like that Pridham said no to him to stay in Toronto.  That's good.