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2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Started by herman, May 31, 2023, 09:04:55 AM

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herman

#45
https://twitter.com/BabayevShumi/status/1672275730497953797
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev's new agency reports he is in demand! but he wants to be in Toronto!
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: herman on June 23, 2023, 02:28:03 PMhttps://twitter.com/BabayevShumi/status/1672275730497953797
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev's new agency reports he is in demand! but he wants to be in Toronto!

Any chance he ever makes the big club?

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 23, 2023, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: herman on June 23, 2023, 02:28:03 PMhttps://twitter.com/BabayevShumi/status/1672275730497953797
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev's new agency reports he is in demand! but he wants to be in Toronto!

Any chance he ever makes the big club?
He's a long shot but the guy has some good tools. I've liked watching him play and his game has gotten better every year. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a good look.

herman

Elite brain and hands; Adam Brooks, Nick Abruzzese come to mind as template comparables that aren't as skilled but have the same limitations. Won't do anything wrong decision-making-wise (other than maybe overpassing?) but might not have the speed/physical gifts to assert their will on the NHL game without significant linemate help.

If he stays in the system, maybe he gets a partial 2-season run at like 27-29 years old (a la Carter Verhaeghe, one hopes). Perpetual tweener because there is always going to be someone better in a top-6 role and someone bigger and stronger in a bottom-6 role.

#27



L K

I'm surprised at how little Leafs news there has been since Treliving took over.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: L K on June 26, 2023, 06:06:44 AMI'm surprised at how little Leafs news there has been since Treliving took over.

I figured we'd see some player movement at this point but it's always been a pretty real possibility that not a single one of our UFAs return for one reason or another. Or at the very least don't return until they check what their options are on July 1st.


herman

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2023/06/26/core-four-offseason-series-the-auston-matthews-contract/

This here is probably the reason most other moves this offseason are relatively on hold. Getting clarity, even on the ballpark of where Matthews' next cap hit lands, will inform the plans around future signings and transactions.

Of all the pending extensions, this is the one you want to leave enough flexibility for, for whichever outcome.
#27

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: herman on June 26, 2023, 08:31:09 AMhttps://mapleleafshotstove.com/2023/06/26/core-four-offseason-series-the-auston-matthews-contract/

This here is probably the reason most other moves this offseason are relatively on hold. Getting clarity, even on the ballpark of where Matthews' next cap hit lands, will inform the plans around future signings and transactions.

Of all the pending extensions, this is the one you want to leave enough flexibility for, for whichever outcome.

Good article.

My analysis comes down to four words:

His wrist, his wrist.

This past season his signature good-luck-with-this-ya-goalies lacrosse slingshot was essentially gone.  Without it, he goes from stratospheric perennial Rocket candidate to 40-goal guy — very good, but not transcendent.  Even without that weapon, obviously he can score, but nobody envisioned him as a latter-day Boom Boom Geoffrion when he came into the league.

MLSE surely knows what his physical problem(s) exactly is/are, even if we don't. And Auston knows that they know.  The MLHS story touches fairly lightly on the security angle, but they did highlight the salient point: if he tries to go short on an extension to grab $20+ down the road, he risks quite a lot if his problems compound/deteriorate.

Was last year an aberration or a new, somewhat depressing reality for him?  That, to me, is the key unknown around this negotiating dance will pivot.

archie holdsworth

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 26, 2023, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: herman on June 26, 2023, 08:31:09 AMhttps://mapleleafshotstove.com/2023/06/26/core-four-offseason-series-the-auston-matthews-contract/

This here is probably the reason most other moves this offseason are relatively on hold. Getting clarity, even on the ballpark of where Matthews' next cap hit lands, will inform the plans around future signings and transactions.

Of all the pending extensions, this is the one you want to leave enough flexibility for, for whichever outcome.

Good article.

My analysis comes down to four words:

His wrist, his wrist.

This past season his signature good-luck-with-this-ya-goalies lacrosse slingshot was essentially gone.  Without it, he goes from stratospheric perennial Rocket candidate to 40-goal guy — very good, but not transcendent.  Even without that weapon, obviously he can score, but nobody envisioned him as a latter-day Boom Boom Geoffrion when he came into the league.

MLSE surely knows what his physical problem(s) exactly is/are, even if we don't. And Auston knows that they know.  The MLHS story touches fairly lightly on the security angle, but they did highlight the salient point: if he tries to go short on an extension to grab $20+ down the road, he risks quite a lot if his problems compound/deteriorate.

Was last year an aberration or a new, somewhat depressing reality for him?  That, to me, is the key unknown around this negotiating dance will pivot.

Yes, a very good question. Is the Matthews you are signing the Matthews you want to sign?

What kind of a wrist injury never heals properly? With a young man like Matthews, I can't imagine a year over year injury that just diminishes him going forward, end of story. But I'm not a doctor.

Maybe it's more of an Erik Karlsson (who I hope the Leafs get) situation. A cluster of injuries that the player can recover from. Unless there's something that we are all not aware of, you don't trade Matthews. Late in the season, the wrist seemed to be back, if the timing might have been a bit off. There has been no word of off season wrist surgery this year. I'll take that as a positive.

cabber24

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 26, 2023, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: herman on June 26, 2023, 08:31:09 AMhttps://mapleleafshotstove.com/2023/06/26/core-four-offseason-series-the-auston-matthews-contract/

This here is probably the reason most other moves this offseason are relatively on hold. Getting clarity, even on the ballpark of where Matthews' next cap hit lands, will inform the plans around future signings and transactions.

Of all the pending extensions, this is the one you want to leave enough flexibility for, for whichever outcome.

Good article.

My analysis comes down to four words:

His wrist, his wrist.

This past season his signature good-luck-with-this-ya-goalies lacrosse slingshot was essentially gone.  Without it, he goes from stratospheric perennial Rocket candidate to 40-goal guy — very good, but not transcendent.  Even without that weapon, obviously he can score, but nobody envisioned him as a latter-day Boom Boom Geoffrion when he came into the league.

MLSE surely knows what his physical problem(s) exactly is/are, even if we don't. And Auston knows that they know.  The MLHS story touches fairly lightly on the security angle, but they did highlight the salient point: if he tries to go short on an extension to grab $20+ down the road, he risks quite a lot if his problems compound/deteriorate.

Was last year an aberration or a new, somewhat depressing reality for him?  That, to me, is the key unknown around this negotiating dance will pivot.
This past season his signature good-luck-with-this-ya-goalies lacrosse slingshot was essentially gone.

That whip never did show up this year. Who knows, maybe that will save us some dough when we hopefully resign him. I think he will fully recover, he's young.
Upon the wicked He will rain Jerseys; blue and white and burning waffles will be the portion of their cup.

cabber24

If we resign Nylander and Matthews the Leafs will likely have a down year 24/25 until JT is off the books (capped out). I am okay with that if we get to keep Matthews and Nylander.
Upon the wicked He will rain Jerseys; blue and white and burning waffles will be the portion of their cup.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: cabber24 on June 26, 2023, 02:30:34 PMIf we resign Nylander and Matthews the Leafs will likely have a down year 24/25 until JT is off the books (capped out). I am okay with that if we get to keep Matthews and Nylander.
Why would they have a down year? Next season when Matthews and Willy start their new deals, Brodie's 5M and Murray's 4.6M will be gone. They'll still be able to sign ROR Acciari, Sammy and Schenn this off season and  be ok.