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Brad Treliving is new Leafs GM

Started by RedLeaf, May 31, 2023, 06:42:40 AM

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Bender

"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

L K

He handled the media well...that's a good thing although the GM probably shouldn't' be in front the press very often if they are doing a good job so that's fine.

Nothing really surprising out of that press conference.  The draft stuff is pretty standard but I don't really understand how teams police that.  The Leafs existing staff will have their own list of interests and I doubt that GMs don't share their personal take on what they are looking for even though they may not be on the draft floor.  We don't have a lot of picks anyway so not a huge deal.

Everything will be defined by how he adjusts around this offseason.  I don't love that the team is talking about keeping the core AND the coach.  We keep changing the players around the periphery and that isn't working.  I don't see how another kick at the same can is going to fix that.  Maybe the organization goes a little more cutthroat on not doing guys a favour if they don't initially succeed with guys like Mike Amadio or Alex Barabanov getting lost for nothing. 

I do hope that the organization has a clean plan with Matthews and Nylander though if we are keeping the core together for them to be here long-term though as letting either guy walk in free agency would be pretty incompetent.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Just read the transcript, and while a lot of it is adept media management, I am ready to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Some fundamental things have to change before next season, though, and top of my list would be a new coach.  If he feels like he has to keep Keefe to start, at least stipulate that there can't be the expectation that the current Regular Season Playstyle will work in the playoffs.  It won't, and they either need to change the playstyle fundamentally or else have a solid plan to transition to a new game in the playoffs.

Peter D.

If I were to venture a guess, Keefe is going to be fired in the next few weeks before the draft. 

Shanahan and Treliving are saying all the right things about him, but once the dust settles and they "evaluate" things, I bet the trigger is pulled knowing a shakeup is in order.

If and/or when that ends up being the case, it will be interesting to see if he is made coach in Pittsburgh.

herman

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 01, 2023, 12:33:53 PMSome fundamental things have to change before next season, though, and top of my list would be a new coach.  If he feels like he has to keep Keefe to start, at least stipulate that there can't be the expectation that the current Regular Season Playstyle will work in the playoffs.  It won't, and they either need to change the playstyle fundamentally or else have a solid plan to transition to a new game in the playoffs.

Playstyle is going to change by default given the projected roster turnover.

So Treliving and Keefe are going to have to quickly get on a particular page about how they want to play, and therefore which types of players to pursue and whether or not the existing crop of players and prospects aligns with that vision.

If there is anything to take away from the Cup finalists this season, it's playing fast and as a unified group. Simple games at a strong pace can really let your offensive talents flourish. Slow, methodical and too easily disrupted games wastes your goalscoring skill in DZ efforts.
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CarltonTheBear

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I think they're going to evaluate Keefe over the next little bit while also taking a glance at the options available to replace him at the moment. I haven't exactly been a big Keefe guy for awhile, but I do think there's an argument to make that there's not exactly anybody out there who is a definite, 100% improvement.

Treliving's conversations with Matthews and what his opinion's on Keefe are could also sway things. On the one hand this team might need a bit of a stricter coach in order to succeed. On the other hand if Matthews has a favourable opinion on Keefe him staying might, at least in a small way, help push him to an extension this offseason while if a new coach comes on board he might elect to push the decision down the line a little bit.

Bender

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 01, 2023, 12:45:15 PMI think they're going to evaluate Keefe over the next little bit while also taking a glance at the options available to replace him at the moment. I haven't exactly been a big Keefe guy for awhile, but I do think there's an argument to make that there's not exactly anybody out there who is a definite, 100% improvement.

Treliving's conversations with Matthews and what his opinion's on Keefe are could also sway things. On the one hand this team might need a bit of a stricter coach in order to succeed. On the other hand if Matthews has a favourable opinion on Keefe him staying might, at least in a small way, help push him to an extension this offseason while if a new coach comes on board he might elect to push the decision down the line a little bit.

Yup, right now it's basically sign AM to an extension (or try to get complete clarity on what he/agent want to do) and go from there. It's all important but that's the first priority.
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bustaheims

I can also see why it could be difficult to fire Keefe after what was the team's most successful season in almost two decades. As disappointing as the results against Florida were, they still had another excellent regular season and experienced some mild playoff success. While I would have liked to see a new voice leading the charge behind the bench, I absolutely understand why that wasn't the decision being made here.

That being said, I think Keefe is on a relatively short leash, considering his contract status and the team's expectations.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 01, 2023, 12:33:53 PMSome fundamental things have to change before next season, though, and top of my list would be a new coach.  If he feels like he has to keep Keefe to start, at least stipulate that there can't be the expectation that the current Regular Season Playstyle will work in the playoffs.  It won't, and they either need to change the playstyle fundamentally or else have a solid plan to transition to a new game in the playoffs.

Playstyle is going to change by default given the projected roster turnover.

So Treliving and Keefe are going to have to quickly get on a particular page about how they want to play, and therefore which types of players to pursue and whether or not the existing crop of players and prospects aligns with that vision.

If there is anything to take away from the Cup finalists this season, it's playing fast and as a unified group. Simple games at a strong pace can really let your offensive talents flourish. Slow, methodical and too easily disrupted games wastes your goalscoring skill in DZ efforts.

I agree with your analysis.  I do think, however, that Marner could play that style too, not just Nylander (if this is all about who, if anyone, gets unloaded for help elsewhere in the roster — which maybe it isn't).  MM is not all about lateral dancing and his shot has improved markedly.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 12:41:55 PMIf there is anything to take away from the Cup finalists this season, it's playing fast and as a unified group. Simple games at a strong pace can really let your offensive talents flourish. Slow, methodical and too easily disrupted games wastes your goalscoring skill in DZ efforts.

I get that to a certain degree (maybe a large degree) Carolina got goalie'd in the 3rd round, but watching a team that was considered by many to be the most structured team in the league both offensively and defensively just fall apart against whatever the heck system Florida was playing made me question some of my beliefs about hockey a little bit.

herman

Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 01, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 01, 2023, 12:33:53 PMSome fundamental things have to change before next season, though, and top of my list would be a new coach.  If he feels like he has to keep Keefe to start, at least stipulate that there can't be the expectation that the current Regular Season Playstyle will work in the playoffs.  It won't, and they either need to change the playstyle fundamentally or else have a solid plan to transition to a new game in the playoffs.

Playstyle is going to change by default given the projected roster turnover.

So Treliving and Keefe are going to have to quickly get on a particular page about how they want to play, and therefore which types of players to pursue and whether or not the existing crop of players and prospects aligns with that vision.

If there is anything to take away from the Cup finalists this season, it's playing fast and as a unified group. Simple games at a strong pace can really let your offensive talents flourish. Slow, methodical and too easily disrupted games wastes your goalscoring skill in DZ efforts.

I agree with your analysis.  I do think, however, that Marner could play that style too, not just Nylander (if this is all about who, if anyone, gets unloaded for help elsewhere in the roster — which maybe it isn't).  MM is not all about lateral dancing and his shot has improved markedly.

I know Marner can fit that style (see JvR - Bozak - Marner). My reason for trading him has very little to do with him as a player and more to do with the cap balance, his significant trade value, and future negotiation. He brings a lot to the ice, as evidenced by how he plays defenseman level minutes regularly. If we're keeping him, as all signs currently point towards, it would be best to lean on his offensive contributions and pull back from his substantial defensive usage so he has more energy allocated towards winning games.

When he's on, Marner can attack the middle as well as some of the best skaters, and his shot, as you pointed out, is no slouch (pinpoint passers ought to be able to pass it into the net). It's when he's obviously reserving juice or sucking on fumes that he lingers on the perimeter and takes silly risks while his teammates are working hard to get open in the danger zone.

If I were coaching him, I'd tell him he at his best when he's not fishing for perfect passes, but sowing chaos and letting his and his linemates' skill weave their magic from that energy. He's a good fit with Tavares in that sense, as the captain is one of the more excellent shooters at converting uggo pucks into top cheddar goals.
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herman

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 01, 2023, 02:39:25 PM
Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 12:41:55 PMIf there is anything to take away from the Cup finalists this season, it's playing fast and as a unified group. Simple games at a strong pace can really let your offensive talents flourish. Slow, methodical and too easily disrupted games wastes your goalscoring skill in DZ efforts.

I get that to a certain degree (maybe a large degree) Carolina got goalie'd in the 3rd round, but watching a team that was considered by many to be the most structured team in the league both offensively and defensively just fall apart against whatever the heck system Florida was playing made me question some of my beliefs about hockey a little bit.

Carolina always under performs their expected metrics. Defensively, very structured, max effort, but offensively, it's a lot of spray and pray. It sort of played into the hands of a D-shell/counter rush.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 01, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 12:41:55 PM
Quote from: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 01, 2023, 12:33:53 PMSome fundamental things have to change before next season, though, and top of my list would be a new coach.  If he feels like he has to keep Keefe to start, at least stipulate that there can't be the expectation that the current Regular Season Playstyle will work in the playoffs.  It won't, and they either need to change the playstyle fundamentally or else have a solid plan to transition to a new game in the playoffs.

Playstyle is going to change by default given the projected roster turnover.

So Treliving and Keefe are going to have to quickly get on a particular page about how they want to play, and therefore which types of players to pursue and whether or not the existing crop of players and prospects aligns with that vision.

If there is anything to take away from the Cup finalists this season, it's playing fast and as a unified group. Simple games at a strong pace can really let your offensive talents flourish. Slow, methodical and too easily disrupted games wastes your goalscoring skill in DZ efforts.

I agree with your analysis.  I do think, however, that Marner could play that style too, not just Nylander (if this is all about who, if anyone, gets unloaded for help elsewhere in the roster — which maybe it isn't).  MM is not all about lateral dancing and his shot has improved markedly.

I know Marner can fit that style (see JvR - Bozak - Marner). My reason for trading him has very little to do with him as a player and more to do with the cap balance, his significant trade value, and future negotiation. He brings a lot to the ice, as evidenced by how he plays defenseman level minutes regularly. If we're keeping him, as all signs currently point towards, it would be best to lean on his offensive contributions and pull back from his substantial defensive usage so he has more energy allocated towards winning games.

When he's on, Marner can attack the middle as well as some of the best skaters, and his shot, as you pointed out, is no slouch (pinpoint passers ought to be able to pass it into the net). It's when he's obviously reserving juice or sucking on fumes that he lingers on the perimeter and takes silly risks while his teammates are working hard to get open in the danger zone.

If I were coaching him, I'd tell him he at his best when he's not fishing for perfect passes, but sowing chaos and letting his and his linemates' skill weave their magic from that energy. He's a good fit with Tavares in that sense, as the captain is one of the more excellent shooters at converting uggo pucks into top cheddar goals.

So would you pull him off the PK?  I can see your point (bolded above) but man, it would be hard to do to a Selke finalist.

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 02:43:09 PMCarolina always under performs their expected metrics. Defensively, very structured, max effort, but offensively, it's a lot of spray and pray. It sort of played into the hands of a D-shell/counter rush.

Spray and pray, ha!  Sounds like the strategy a lot of male wild animals take in terms of passing their genes on to the next generation.