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Started by RedLeaf, May 31, 2023, 06:42:40 AM
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Quote from: Bender on May 31, 2023, 02:59:42 PMIt's been an up and down performance in Calgary for sure. He wouldn't be the hire I'd make but I'm willing to give him a shot. I think he probably had to deal with an equal or more meddling board in Calgary. I also don't think he's exactly gunshy on a deal, so I think taking a chance isn't the issue, it's if he'll take the right one.
Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 03:04:43 PMI agree that his results in Calgary are largely uninspiring, but, it's not like he didn't make major moves to try to improve the team. There a number of big trades, some impactful UFA signings, etc. He was definitely trying to win. He just didn't succeed. Whether that was on him or ownership foisting a coach upon him, or a variety of other factors is hard to say. I don't think he's the best GM, but I think his track record is being seen in more of a negative light than it probably should be. He put together a really good, competitive team in Calgary. If they were able to convert on their chances at even an average rate and got reasonable to good goaltending out of Markstrom, he'd still be with the Flames. Their xGF and xGA numbers were excellent (7th and 4th respectively). It's just that their shooting percentage was the worst in the league and their save percentage wasn't much better.
Quote from: herman on June 01, 2023, 09:24:50 AMGiven what I've read and heard so far, MLSE wants to run it back with the same group (but are shielding themselves from the backlash by dropping Dubas).Can you imagine the circus if Dubas kept Keefe and didn't make a move on the core this offseason?But now, with Treliving, a vaunted Hockey Man with great relationships up and down the organizations within the league, it just makes no sense to blow up the core and fire a coach before he even sees what he has.I don't think the firing has anything to do with family or commitment or autonomy. It's "I would consider anything with our group that would allow us a better chance to win the Stanley Cup. I would take nothing off the table at all".One thing we will probably notice more in the next few years, is that Dubas was a proponent of 'failing fast', while Treliving has a history of holding onto poorly aged deals for too long, resulting in so many buyouts.
Quote from: Bender on June 01, 2023, 09:37:22 AMI really have a hard time believing Dubas wasn't renewed because he said he'd do anything to help the team. Morbidly I'm waiting for Shanny to be fired to get the full expose now, but I just don't feel like that's likely as it's just a routine thing that many GMs say, just Kyle finally said it out loud.
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 01, 2023, 10:06:37 AMHe said the f-word again. Wish they had Shanahan on camera too.
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