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Brad Treliving is new Leafs GM

Started by RedLeaf, May 31, 2023, 06:42:40 AM

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Dappleganger

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2023, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on May 31, 2023, 09:02:35 AM*Or, pure speculation on my part, did they hate playing for the coach the GM picked to coach the team?

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/nhl-report-multiple-flames-players-rescinded-trade-requests-after-darryl-sutter-firing-151715990.html

For whatever it's worth, most reports seem to say it was Calgary ownership that hired (and then extended) Sutter over Treliving's head.

Interesting if true... would definitely change my opinion on a few things. I didn't see "Calgary" as the reason two star players left, I really thought it was Sutter.



CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Dappleganger on May 31, 2023, 09:31:40 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2023, 09:18:35 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on May 31, 2023, 09:02:35 AM*Or, pure speculation on my part, did they hate playing for the coach the GM picked to coach the team?

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/nhl-report-multiple-flames-players-rescinded-trade-requests-after-darryl-sutter-firing-151715990.html

For whatever it's worth, most reports seem to say it was Calgary ownership that hired (and then extended) Sutter over Treliving's head.

Interesting if true... would definitely change my opinion on a few things. I didn't see "Calgary" as the reason two star players left, I really thought it was Sutter.

I won't go as far as to say they were anti-Canada or anti-Calgary, but I think it was also pretty clear they both wanted to play in the States. Tkachuk's reported list of teams he would sign long-term deals with if Calgary dealt him there were: Florida, Nashville, Dallas, Vegas, and St. Louis. Gaudreau obviously had his sights set on Columbus, New Jersey, or Philly.

Joe

Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 08:46:55 AMSo excited to bring in the guy who gave Kadri a ridiculous contract, lost their young superstar for "reasons" and bungled signing their longtime star UFA player.

I'm really starting to think Shanahan may be a bit of a lunkhead.

I'm going to say having to stay in Calgary was the biggest factor for those moves. Gaudreau wanted to be closer to home and Tkachuk wanted to be not in Calgary. After that, Kadri was the best available UFA that could plug the holes left by those two wanting to not be in Cowtown. I don't put too much on Treliving there.

I'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

I'm telling you this guy is going to come in and make a terrible trade for nylander and somehow mess up the Matthews negotiation.

No one is perfect, but this whole Dubas thing is stupid. I feel this team is going to regress to Burke level mismanagement.

bustaheims

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2023, 09:36:56 AMI won't go as far as to say they were anti-Canada or anti-Calgary, but I think it was also pretty clear they both wanted to play in the States. Tkachuk's reported list of teams he would sign long-term deals with if Calgary dealt him there were: Florida, Nashville, Dallas, Vegas, and St. Louis. Gaudreau obviously had his sights set on Columbus, New Jersey, or Philly.

They are both American, so that definitely had some influence. I don't know if it was specifically an anti-Calgary stance, but Calgary was definitely further away from where they wanted to be than a lot of other NHL cities.

If Gaudreau had been a Leaf the whole time, I suspect he would have felt he was close enough to his family that it wouldn't have been the same issue. With Tkachuk, I'm not sure - though, being close to his brother and being on opposite sides of that rivalry also might have swayed his mind.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

bustaheims

Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 09:48:56 AMI'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

He was dealt because he specifically said he wouldn't sign a long-term deal in Calgary.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Dappleganger

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Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 08:46:55 AMSo excited to bring in the guy who gave Kadri a ridiculous contract, lost their young superstar for "reasons" and bungled signing their longtime star UFA player.

I'm really starting to think Shanahan may be a bit of a lunkhead.

I'm going to say having to stay in Calgary was the biggest factor for those moves. Gaudreau wanted to be closer to home and Tkachuk wanted to be not in Calgary. After that, Kadri was the best available UFA that could plug the holes left by those two wanting to not be in Cowtown. I don't put too much on Treliving there.

I'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

I'm telling you this guy is going to come in and make a terrible trade for nylander and somehow mess up the Matthews negotiation.

No one is perfect, but this whole Dubas thing is stupid. I feel this team is going to regress to Burke level mismanagement.

If you you look at what Treliving just dealt with in Calgary, star players on expiring deals, and if you evaluate how he dealt with that, I'd say he'd not be the one you'd want dealing with, checks notes, Matthews and Nylander on expiring deals.

I dunno, maybe he learned from his mistakes. 🤷

herman

As long as Pridham is still running the cap calcs, it should mitigate a lot of the concerns about Treliving's contract signings.
#27

Peter D.

Here's hoping he rectifies the goaltending situation and revamps the aging and underwhelming D core.

Joe

Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 09:48:56 AMI'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

He was dealt because he specifically said he wouldn't sign a long-term deal in Calgary.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-matthew-tkachuk-wanted-to-sign-long-term-deal-with-flames-in-2019-160851344.html

Bender

Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 08:46:55 AMSo excited to bring in the guy who gave Kadri a ridiculous contract, lost their young superstar for "reasons" and bungled signing their longtime star UFA player.

I'm really starting to think Shanahan may be a bit of a lunkhead.

I mean, Dubas was Shanahans hire. He literally plucked him from the Soo and dumped Lou when Kyle could've walked. I'm not defending this move but it's kind of hilarious the level of "I agree with this so he's smart, I disagree with this so he's stupid."
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

bustaheims

Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 09:52:29 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 09:48:56 AMI'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

He was dealt because he specifically said he wouldn't sign a long-term deal in Calgary.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-matthew-tkachuk-wanted-to-sign-long-term-deal-with-flames-in-2019-160851344.html

That was in 2019. Here's from now:

https://www.si.com/nhl/2022/07/20/matthew-tkachuk-contract-calgary-flames-trade

A lot can change in that time, and he could have easily gone public with a trade demand after Gaudreau left. Instead of being able to do a sign-and-trade to get maximum value by trading a player on an 8 year deal negotiated by the team he's going to, they'd be selling a player with a few years left before hitting UFA. If anything, they improved their leverage.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Bender

Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 08:46:55 AMSo excited to bring in the guy who gave Kadri a ridiculous contract, lost their young superstar for "reasons" and bungled signing their longtime star UFA player.

I'm really starting to think Shanahan may be a bit of a lunkhead.

I'm going to say having to stay in Calgary was the biggest factor for those moves. Gaudreau wanted to be closer to home and Tkachuk wanted to be not in Calgary. After that, Kadri was the best available UFA that could plug the holes left by those two wanting to not be in Cowtown. I don't put too much on Treliving there.

I'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

I'm telling you this guy is going to come in and make a terrible trade for nylander and somehow mess up the Matthews negotiation.

No one is perfect, but this whole Dubas thing is stupid. I feel this team is going to regress to Burke level mismanagement.

Because Dubas really did a masterful job at drafting, the big 3 contracts and winning playoff rounds. I'm willing to see how he does, but the implication that Dubas was some kind of GM genius in comparison that couldn't make mistakes on the big 3s second deals is ridiculous. Matthews can walk with or without Dubas, it's entirely his choice, and if Dubas were a great GM this contract expiry wouldn't even be happening right now.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

herman

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Bender

Quote from: Dappleganger on May 31, 2023, 10:32:30 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 09:48:56 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on May 31, 2023, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: Joe on May 31, 2023, 08:46:55 AMSo excited to bring in the guy who gave Kadri a ridiculous contract, lost their young superstar for "reasons" and bungled signing their longtime star UFA player.

I'm really starting to think Shanahan may be a bit of a lunkhead.

I'm going to say having to stay in Calgary was the biggest factor for those moves. Gaudreau wanted to be closer to home and Tkachuk wanted to be not in Calgary. After that, Kadri was the best available UFA that could plug the holes left by those two wanting to not be in Cowtown. I don't put too much on Treliving there.

I'm pretty sure Tkachuk had said he would have signed long term but the team would only offer him a bridge contract.

I'm telling you this guy is going to come in and make a terrible trade for nylander and somehow mess up the Matthews negotiation.

No one is perfect, but this whole Dubas thing is stupid. I feel this team is going to regress to Burke level mismanagement.

If you you look at what Treliving just dealt with in Calgary, star players on expiring deals, and if you evaluate how he dealt with that, I'd say he'd not be the one you'd want dealing with, checks notes, Matthews and Nylander on expiring deals.

I dunno, maybe he learned from his mistakes. 🤷�♂️


But Calgary was comfortable promoting Craig Conroy who was Trelivings right hand man? I think there has to be more to this than we think. I think Calgary isn't nearly as bad a team as last year's record indicates.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender