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Started by herman, May 19, 2023, 01:36:33 PM

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herman

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 29, 2023, 07:56:52 AM
Quote from: herman on May 28, 2023, 05:07:31 PMMore Marner Trade ideas for funsies
To Anaheim: Mitch Marner, Mac Hollowell
To Toronto: 2023 1st rd pick (2nd OA), Mason McTavish, Troy Terry/Jamie Drysdale

If Anaheim will move Fantilli for Marner I'm not sure they'll add any one of those 3 players, let alone 2 of them.

Fine, I'll take just the 2OA pick. Cutting off Marner's next negotiation is its own reward.
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RedLeaf

Yeah. I don't see them trading Marner . I think the target to move is Nylander anyways.

Here's hoping the return is exactly what the team needs !
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.." --Isaac Asimov.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: herman on May 29, 2023, 08:38:22 AMFine, I'll take just the 2OA pick. Cutting off Marner's next negotiation is its own reward.

Value wise it's certainly interesting. Big Clark for Sundin vibes. But I don't think either team shows much interest in it considering where they are at their respective building stages. Anaheim especially.

Bill33

Marner took enough grief from his last contract that out of all of them, I could see him signing a team friendly (er) deal. He won't be easy to replace- the leafs record with him out of the lineup is worse that any of the top 4.
 Nylander goes through very uninspired stretches, especially defensively.

I could see Nylander wanting to cash in hard on his last season results. I say he's the one the leafs should jettison for balance. Target a true 1st pairing defenseman.

herman

#34
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/roster-structure-maple-leafs-offseason-cap-space/
PPP goes over the roster makeover mechanics (lots of space! but lots of requirements) and while there is a way we could just skate by with the regular moves, I still think a Marner move for the right pieces (primarily a 2C+) is how to push this in the right direction for the interim and long term. Splitting that 11M into two higher end players improves the depth without too much of a dent in the star power. UFA crop is poop and overpriced. June/at or before the draft is the time to make the move.
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RedLeaf

Quote from: Bill33 on May 29, 2023, 11:02:26 AMMarner took enough grief from his last contract that out of all of them, I could see him signing a team friendly (er) deal. He won't be easy to replace- the leafs record with him out of the lineup is worse that any of the top 4.
 Nylander goes through very uninspired stretches, especially defensively.

I could see Nylander wanting to cash in hard on his last season results. I say he's the one the leafs should jettison for balance. Target a true 1st pairing defenseman.

^ This.
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.." --Isaac Asimov.

Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington


Bullfrog

Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on May 29, 2023, 04:32:25 PMNylander for Hellebuyck anyone?



Nylander is my favorite player and I say yes to that.

CarltonTheBear

Quote from: Bullfrog on May 30, 2023, 06:37:30 AM
Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on May 29, 2023, 04:32:25 PMNylander for Hellebuyck anyone?

Nylander is my favorite player and I say yes to that.

It's interesting. Not really sure what Winnipeg's plans are right now though. With Hellebuyck, Scheifele, and Wheeler all 1 year away from UFA status you'd think they'd be better off selling all those guys for futures (taking advantage of a weak UFA market this offseason) to try and do a quick retool with younger players. In that case, a Nylander trade wouldn't really make sense for them. If they're still adverse to a retool/rebuild, and especially if Hellebuyck signals he isn't interested in an extension, then yeah a Nylander (plus probably Samsonov) deal could at least be intriguing.

herman

I don't think Winnipeg wants to have 3 Nylanders (Nik Ehlers, Kyle Connor)
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louisstamos

Quote from: herman on May 30, 2023, 08:45:18 AMI don't think Winnipeg wants to have 3 Nylanders (Nik Ehlers, Kyle Connor)

I was going to make the same joke. :P

I really would like Hellebuyck, but I don't think it would require Nylander to get him.  A package built around Samsonov & Boston's first would be the starting point.

L K

I'd do that trade...although I would wonder what kind of number Hellebyuck is looking for in his next contract.

Guilt Trip

Quote from: L K on May 30, 2023, 09:10:36 AMI'd do that trade...although I would wonder what kind of number Hellebyuck is looking for in his next contract.
It'll probably be less then Nylander

Bill33

Quote from: Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington on May 29, 2023, 04:32:25 PMNylander for Hellebuyck anyone?



Sold. Maybe throw in Samsonov's rights, and Liljegren as part of a bigger package.

A Weekend at Bernier's

Quote from: herman on May 29, 2023, 12:35:38 PMhttps://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/roster-structure-maple-leafs-offseason-cap-space/
PPP goes over the roster makeover mechanics (lots of space! but lots of requirements) and while there is a way we could just skate by with the regular moves, I still think a Marner move for the right pieces (primarily a 2C+) is how to push this in the right direction for the interim and long term. Splitting that 11M into two higher end players improves the depth without too much of a dent in the star power. UFA crop is poop and overpriced. June/at or before the draft is the time to make the move.

It's a great article, thanks for the reference.

Honest question: why would moving off the Murray contract imply some sort of asset going with him to make it happen?  Would the Leafs not be in a position to simply eat the last year of his contract and send him through waivers to the Marlies?  If the unthinkable happens and Murray remains healthy and plays well he'd be eligible for callup or that much more appealing as a potential waiver pickup.