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Started by herman, May 19, 2023, 01:36:33 PM

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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: L K on May 30, 2023, 09:10:36 AMI'd do that trade...although I would wonder what kind of number Hellebyuck is looking for in his next contract.

Yeah, it'd be pretty big. Over the past 6 years he's had 3 Vezina nominations with 1 of them being a win, plus a 4th place finish in there as well. That's a pretty insane track record for a goalie.

The league also hasn't seen a goalie get a long-term contract over $6mil since the summer of 2019 when Vasilevskiy ($9.5mil) and Bobrovsky ($10mil) got their deals. Barring a disastrous 23/24 season I'd imagine he'll be looking for something in the 9's on a 6-8 year deal.


bustaheims

Quote from: A Weekend at Bernier's on May 30, 2023, 12:31:03 PMHonest question: why would moving off the Murray contract imply some sort of asset going with him to make it happen?  Would the Leafs not be in a position to simply eat the last year of his contract and send him through waivers to the Marlies?  If the unthinkable happens and Murray remains healthy and plays well he'd be eligible for callup or that much more appealing as a potential waiver pickup. 

Murray being in the AHL only saves the team a little over $1M on the cap. For a team looking the squeeze the most value out of every available cap dollar, it's not the ideal move by any means.
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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: bustaheims on May 30, 2023, 12:35:52 PM
Quote from: A Weekend at Bernier's on May 30, 2023, 12:31:03 PMHonest question: why would moving off the Murray contract imply some sort of asset going with him to make it happen?  Would the Leafs not be in a position to simply eat the last year of his contract and send him through waivers to the Marlies?  If the unthinkable happens and Murray remains healthy and plays well he'd be eligible for callup or that much more appealing as a potential waiver pickup. 

Murray being in the AHL only saves the team a little over $1M on the cap. For a team looking the squeeze the most value out of every available cap dollar, it's not the ideal move by any means.

I've always figured Murray was a definite goner this offseason but if the Leafs don't re-sign ROR they might honestly have more cap space than they can realistically spend considering how bland the UFA market is. So who knows. I guess there could be a chance they keep him at a $3.5mil hit on the Marlies until maybe deadline time or if another team finds themselves needing a goalie (or as just insurance behind Samsonov and Woll).

bustaheims

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Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 30, 2023, 01:14:13 PMI've always figured Murray was a definite goner this offseason but if the Leafs don't re-sign ROR they might honestly have more cap space than they can realistically spend considering how bland the UFA market is. So who knows. I guess there could be a chance they keep him at a $3.5mil hit on the Marlies until maybe deadline time or if another team finds themselves needing a goalie (or as just insurance behind Samsonov and Woll).

I guess that depends on what other moves the team might be trying to make. I don't think he's a definite goner, but, if the goal of getting him off the NHL roster is to maximize cap space, sending him the AHL wouldn't be the most efficient option. Buying him out would actually free more space this coming season (but less the season after, obviously).

Best option, if he can't be moved at full price without tacking on an asset might be to see if a team would take him at 50% for free. ~$2.35M for an experienced backup is a reasonable price for a number of teams - especially those that aren't expecting to compete for a playoff spot and have some space available.
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CarltonTheBear

You know if Dubas ends up in Pittsburgh I wonder if something around Murray for Casey DeSmith ends up happening.

Pittsburgh needs to address their goaltending this offseason. DeSmith kinda fell out of favour with the Pens late in the season and doesn't seem like a reliable platoon option goalie. With Woll's injury history Toronto will likely need to find a 3rd goalie who can both be relied on to play games and also get through waivers. DeSmith's history, performance, and cap hit makes him a pretty good candidate for that role. He has a $1.8mil AAV for this upcoming season, so with the Marlies it'd be just $650k in cap space.

CarltonTheBear

DeSmith, Daniel Vladar (if CGY wants to promote Wolf), Pheonix Copley (if LA re-signs Korpisalo) and Eric Comrie (if BUF wants Levi to play) all jump out at me as goalies who could conceivable fit the 3G role and pass through waivers based off their performance last season and cap hit. Wouldn't be shocked if the Leafs trade for one of them if Murray is moved.

L K

Quote from: Guilt Trip on May 30, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: L K on May 30, 2023, 09:10:36 AMI'd do that trade...although I would wonder what kind of number Hellebyuck is looking for in his next contract.
It'll probably be less then Nylander

Maybe.  But goalies, even ones as good as Hellebyuck are so volatile that replacing Nylander with another big contract in goal might put the Leafs in the same type of cap hell...particularly with a Matthews extension next year.


bustaheims

One name in the trade market that really intrigues me is Dubois. He's make for an excellent 2C.

Acquisition cost is obviously a concern, as is the fact that he's one year from UFA and seems destined to sign in Montreal, but, if the Leads can circumvent that . . .
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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: bustaheims on June 09, 2023, 10:41:26 AMOne name in the trade market that really intrigues me is Dubois. He's make for an excellent 2C.

Acquisition cost is obviously a concern, as is the fact that he's one year from UFA and seems destined to sign in Montreal, but, if the Leads can circumvent that . . .

I don't really know if we have the assets to get him but yeah a Dubois trade with a long-term contract extension would obviously be worth looking into.

herman

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herman

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2023, 11:23:09 AMI wonder if a Robertson for Hoglander swap is something that would be looked at (Nylander needs more/new Swedish friends).

The Leafs are playing in Sweden this coming Nov for the Global Series, so that would be a nice treat.

Hoglander having trouble cracking the Canucks roster (albeit with silly coaching), doesn't bode well for his chances on the Leafs, even though LW has the lowest threshold of entry on this roster. I can see Treliving maybe fish for the Flames' version of Hoglander in Jakob Pelletier.

I'm eyeballing Elias Lindholm, Joel Eriksson Ek as 2C options if we can somehow swing it (without a core 4/Knies going the other way).
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CarltonTheBear

Quote from: herman on June 13, 2023, 12:55:57 PMThe Leafs are playing in Sweden this coming Nov for the Global Series, so that would be a nice treat.

I actually wondered awhile ago if that might help attract some Swedish free agents this offseason. I imagine it'd be a possible once in a lifetime opportunity for them. Swedish UFAs include: Klingberg, Nyquist, Johnsson, Sunqvist, Engvall, Fast, Janmark, Hagg, Gustafsson.

At the right price any of them would be decent options. I really like Klingberg on a cheap-ish deal if the Leafs defence isn't crowded (or maybe even if it is). Nyquist, Sundqvist, Fast, or Janmark would all be fine forward depth too. Ship has probably sailed on Engvall/Johnsson.

Peter D.

Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 13, 2023, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: herman on June 13, 2023, 12:55:57 PMThe Leafs are playing in Sweden this coming Nov for the Global Series, so that would be a nice treat.

I actually wondered awhile ago if that might help attract some Swedish free agents this offseason. I imagine it'd be a possible once in a lifetime opportunity for them. Swedish UFAs include: Klingberg, Nyquist, Johnsson, Sunqvist, Engvall, Fast, Janmark, Hagg, Gustafsson.

At the right price any of them would be decent options. I really like Klingberg on a cheap-ish deal if the Leafs defence isn't crowded (or maybe even if it is). Nyquist, Sundqvist, Fast, or Janmark would all be fine forward depth too. Ship has probably sailed on Engvall/Johnsson.


I like the Klingberg option.  Would definitely be worth the gamble on a cheap deal.  Even with him giving me complete Barrie vibes.

caveman

I thought Gustafson looked good in his limited time.. if they can sign him cheap...