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Kyle Dubas not returning as GM

Started by CarltonTheBear, May 19, 2023, 10:58:11 AM

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bustaheims

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May 19, 2023, 11:04:29 AM
Disappointing but not surprising.
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herman

#2
May 19, 2023, 11:05:23 AM
Am I sad or mad?
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bustaheims

#3
May 19, 2023, 11:07:01 AM
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Nik

#4
May 19, 2023, 11:07:51 AM
I guess we'll have to see if it's a mutual thing or not but it's not much of a surprise. He probably didn't get the longest/fairest shake but he did get long enough that, at this point, he should have more on his resume where you had more on the ledger to balance out some of the really bad decisions he made.

I said it in the other thread but with the Leafs resources available they really should expect top tier performance from the guy running the hockey team and there's very, very little to suggest that's what Dubas was delivering.

Edit: Well, it's certainly phrased like it was the Leafs' decision. I still think he's a good hockey mind and he's young enough to learn from his mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if he emerges as a really good GM somewhere with less pressure.
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CarltonTheBear

#5
May 19, 2023, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: herman on May 19, 2023, 11:05:23 AMAm I sad or mad?

I'd be sad if this was Kyle's decision. Mad if it was Toronto's.

CarltonTheBear

#6
May 19, 2023, 11:15:07 AM
We'll have a new GM next season, almost certainly a new coach, and possibly see a member of the core 4 dealt. Times are changing. All cause the team didn't show up to game 3.

dekedastardly

#7
May 19, 2023, 11:16:34 AM
Good. Do Keefe next.

mr grieves

#8
May 19, 2023, 11:19:27 AM
He was really good, and got better and better, at finding cost-effective, useful depth to fill out the roster, and I think the team's draft record under him is quite good. But that extra 2% stuff was all needed to make up for his biggest mistakes, which resulted in coming out of contract negotiations with the top stars with a salary structure that couldn't withstand a pandemic. It's fitting, narratively, that he's out after declaring he was staking his job on the top 4's ability to come through, but I am curious to see how he would've changed course. Oh well. Here's hoping whoever takes over can close with Matthews.

Nik

#9
May 19, 2023, 11:20:11 AM
I will say it feels wrong to make this move when the Leafs finally show a little progress. If they couldn't expand on it next year, sure, but this feels like a team maybe not having realistic expectations for having a young team and jumping the gun the way they always tend to.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Peter D.

#10
May 19, 2023, 11:20:25 AM
Not unexpected.  Not surprised.  Happy in a way, but also disappointed. 

Preferred the continuity he would have provided.  But if they are going to completely change things and this is the first domino, then I'm all for it.  Next up Keefe.  And then we'll see which of the core players, if any, follow up.

mr grieves

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May 19, 2023, 11:21:15 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 19, 2023, 11:15:07 AMWe'll have a new GM next season, almost certainly a new coach, and possibly see a member of the core 4 dealt. Times are changing. All cause the team didn't show up to game 3.

There were a few games 7s and a 5 too, I think.

Bender

#12
May 19, 2023, 11:24:37 AM
The Leafs according to multiple sources already had a deal on the table for Dubas on the weekend. Not surprised at all. I think the tone was set at the end of season presser and if this is mostly the Leafs' decision, then they did this in large part due to the "hard on my family" comment at the presser, which from my understanding, the Leafs had no information about. So if Dubas still hadn't made up his mind in a day or two afterward the Leafs had no choice but to get on with it.

I think it was a mistake to hand the keys over to a wonderkind with no experience, but we also haven't had luck with Burke/Nonis and even Lou made a ton of questionable moves. Anyway, he always seemed like a thoughtful and good person, but I wonder if this will teach him to be more cutthroat in the future. Good luck to him.

Bring on Eric Tulsky.

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RedLeaf

#13
May 19, 2023, 11:24:53 AM
Is there a bet available on Bet365 for who wins the cup first , Dubas with his next team or the Leafs?

I'm betting Dubas
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Bender

#14
May 19, 2023, 11:26:32 AM
Quote from: Nik on May 19, 2023, 11:20:11 AMI will say it feels wrong to make this move when the Leafs finally show a little progress. If they couldn't expand on it next year, sure, but this feels like a team maybe not having realistic expectations for having a young team and jumping the gun the way they always tend to.

Progress is progress I guess, but it's hard to look at the Leafs/Tampa series and call winning a round progress when if Vasi played like a league average goalie we'd be out of the first round again.
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