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Pastrnak re-signs with Boston [8 years, $11.25mil AAV]

Started by CarltonTheBear, March 02, 2023, 10:16:35 AM

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Nik

I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Guilt Trip

Well he certainly didn't take less to keep the gang together. Good on him though. He's earned it but we'll see what happens next year when Bergeron, Krejci are probably gone.

Nik

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Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:31:03 AMWell he certainly didn't take less to keep the gang together.

I mean...he almost certainly did, right? If he continues his pace he'll put up like a 57 goal, 110 point season or thereabouts. Some team would probably have offered him 12 or more per as a UFA.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

Guilt Trip

Quote from: Nik on March 02, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:31:03 AMWell he certainly didn't take less to keep the gang together.

I mean...he almost certainly did, right? If he continues his pace he'll put up like a 57 goal, 110 point season or thereabouts. Some team would probably have offered him 12 or more per as a UFA.
But he's not a UFA. You're not trying to convince him to come to your team if he hit the market. I'd say he got a fair contract but there's no great discount there.

Nik

Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AMBut he's not a UFA. You're not trying to convince him to come to your team if he hit the market. I'd say he got a fair contract but there's no great discount there.

But the whole idea of "taking less" is that you're taking less than you could have gotten from someone else. If Pastrnak had decided to test the market he's getting more than what he signed for and that's what the Bruins are negotiating against.
I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

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Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 02, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:31:03 AMWell he certainly didn't take less to keep the gang together.

I mean...he almost certainly did, right? If he continues his pace he'll put up like a 57 goal, 110 point season or thereabouts. Some team would probably have offered him 12 or more per as a UFA.
But he's not a UFA. You're not trying to convince him to come to your team if he hit the market. I'd say he got a fair contract but there's no great discount there.

He would have been in a few months. He was basically negotiating as one.

He took a small discount, but I think we can attribute that to being able to get the extra year on his deal more than anything else. He probably would have been in the $12M-$12.5M range as a UFA.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Bender

Quote from: bustaheims on March 02, 2023, 11:09:45 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 02, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:31:03 AMWell he certainly didn't take less to keep the gang together.

I mean...he almost certainly did, right? If he continues his pace he'll put up like a 57 goal, 110 point season or thereabouts. Some team would probably have offered him 12 or more per as a UFA.
But he's not a UFA. You're not trying to convince him to come to your team if he hit the market. I'd say he got a fair contract but there's no great discount there.

He would have been in a few months. He was basically negotiating as one.

He took a small discount, but I think we can attribute that to being able to get the extra year on his deal more than anything else. He probably would have been in the $12M-$12.5M range as a UFA.

Every little bit counts. Hard to say if you'd rather have him or Marner at their deals.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Guilt Trip

Quote from: bustaheims on March 02, 2023, 11:09:45 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on March 02, 2023, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2023, 10:31:03 AMWell he certainly didn't take less to keep the gang together.

I mean...he almost certainly did, right? If he continues his pace he'll put up like a 57 goal, 110 point season or thereabouts. Some team would probably have offered him 12 or more per as a UFA.
But he's not a UFA. You're not trying to convince him to come to your team if he hit the market. I'd say he got a fair contract but there's no great discount there.

He would have been in a few months. He was basically negotiating as one.

He took a small discount, but I think we can attribute that to being able to get the extra year on his deal more than anything else. He probably would have been in the $12M-$12.5M range as a UFA.
Yup considering the longest contract he can sign is 7 years with another team. 7 x 12.5 = 87M. 7 x 13M = 91M. He gets his money.

Nik

Quote from: bustaheims on March 02, 2023, 11:09:45 AMHe would have been in a few months. He was basically negotiating as one.

He took a small discount, but I think we can attribute that to being able to get the extra year on his deal more than anything else. He probably would have been in the $12M-$12.5M range as a UFA.

I don't think it's an either/or. It's pretty unlikely that the Bruins would have walked away from him at 12 or 12.5 and likewise it seems equally unlikely that a massive motivating factor in Pastrnak's decision making was being able to guarantee himself 90 million vs. 84-87 million when he's young enough that he still could be signing a legitimately lucrative deal 7 years from now.

I wish to hell I'd never said "Winning isn't everything it's the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you've won.
- Vince Lombardi

bustaheims

Quote from: Nik on March 02, 2023, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on March 02, 2023, 11:09:45 AMHe would have been in a few months. He was basically negotiating as one.

He took a small discount, but I think we can attribute that to being able to get the extra year on his deal more than anything else. He probably would have been in the $12M-$12.5M range as a UFA.

I don't think it's an either/or. It's pretty unlikely that the Bruins would have walked away from him at 12 or 12.5 and likewise it seems equally unlikely that a massive motivating factor in Pastrnak's decision making was being able to guarantee himself 90 million vs. 84-87 million when he's young enough that he still could be signing a legitimately lucrative deal 7 years from now.

Probably not, no, but I do think that factored into the thinking. It's roughly the same overall value as he would have received as a UFA, but the team gets an extra year out of it and Pastrnak gets a little injury insurance. Something for both sides.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

OldTimeHockey

While Pastrnak has been relatively healthy in his career he has missed time due to injury. Nothing has been career threatening yet, but that could change at any point. I think if his desire is to stay in Boston, and he can take advantage of that extra year of contract, it only makes sense to take a little less to make it happen.